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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
SunderlandBluebird
Him, Dalman and Choo all as useless as each other. Not sure why Tan gets a free ride really apart from people thinking he plugs losses (losses that come from his own lack of interest and mismanagement of a football club). If we had an owner, chief exec and chairman that knew how to run a football club then the losses would not need to be plugged to the extent that they (supposedly) currently are.
Just out of interest, how long do you think that someone running a football club has to be in the job before he becomes ‘experienced’ at doing it. I wouldn't mind hazarding a guest that Dalman and Choo have been doing it a damn sight longer (and rather more successfully) than most other owners/chairmen/CEO’s currently in the EFL. I don't think anyone is trying to say that things are not going badly at the moment but the vast majority of their tenure has brought a sustained period of success, unprecedented certainly in my lifetime anyway. I think we need to show these people some respect and gratitude. For someone to call Choo just a ‘car salesman’ is ridiculous. He and Dalman are well qualified, successful and experienced businessmen.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Just out of interest, how long do you think that someone running a football club has to be in the job before he becomes ‘experienced’ at doing it. I wouldn't mind hazarding a guest that Dalman and Choo have been doing it a damn sight longer (and rather more successfully) than most other owners/chairmen/CEO’s currently in the EFL. I don't think anyone is trying to say that things are not going badly at the moment but the vast majority of their tenure has brought a sustained period of success, unprecedented certainly in my lifetime anyway. I think we need to show these people some respect and gratitude. For someone to call Choo just a ‘car salesman’ is ridiculous. He and Dalman are well qualified, successful and experienced businessmen.
I dont know what a 'qualified' businessman is, but they seem so focused on the balance sheet and how much VT is contributing each month (probably as theyve been instructed to), that theyve lost focus on what can be done on the field to help other areas of the financial reports.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Just out of interest, how long do you think that someone running a football club has to be in the job before he becomes ‘experienced’ at doing it. I wouldn't mind hazarding a guest that Dalman and Choo have been doing it a damn sight longer (and rather more successfully) than most other owners/chairmen/CEO’s currently in the EFL. I don't think anyone is trying to say that things are not going badly at the moment but the vast majority of their tenure has brought a sustained period of success, unprecedented certainly in my lifetime anyway. I think we need to show these people some respect and gratitude. For someone to call Choo just a ‘car salesman’ is ridiculous. He and Dalman are well qualified, successful and experienced businessmen.
Choo and Dalman have been lucky enough to do their jobs at a time when City had someone far richer than any previous owner of the club in place and yet they’ve still presided over a club which is on its worst run in thirty five years. With the money Tan has put in, we should be in a far better position in the table and not playing such mind numbingly boring football.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Wise up.
Best owner we've had for a very long time
Tan isn't great but he's the best out of the last few owners.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Had we gone out of business twelve years ago we would likely be where we are now just with a fan owned club or some sort of fan/private owned hybrid.
Tan is prick with an ego who thinks he can hush people with his megabucks.
We nearly did go out of business under sam hammam and it's not likely we would have been anywhere near the championship
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
Have you checked the table?
We're in a worse position than when he turned up.
All that despite the millions from the PL seasons and parachute payments.
But yeah they've done great....
Are you ankles or Sugarman?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
No we wouldnt. I doubt wed even be back in the league.
Are there any one-team cities of half a million people that DONT have a team in the higher rungs of the efl ?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
We nearly did go out of business under sam hammam and it's not likely we would have been anywhere near the championship
Are there any one-team cities of half a million people that DONT have a team in the higher rungs of the efl ?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Just out of interest, how long do you think that someone running a football club has to be in the job before he becomes ‘experienced’ at doing it. I wouldn't mind hazarding a guest that Dalman and Choo have been doing it a damn sight longer (and rather more successfully) than most other owners/chairmen/CEO’s currently in the EFL. I don't think anyone is trying to say that things are not going badly at the moment but the vast majority of their tenure has brought a sustained period of success, unprecedented certainly in my lifetime anyway. I think we need to show these people some respect and gratitude. For someone to call Choo just a ‘car salesman’ is ridiculous. He and Dalman are well qualified, successful and experienced businessmen.
Huw Jenkins did a better job
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Are there any one-team cities of half a million people that DONT have a team in the higher rungs of the efl ?
How many cities have a 500k+ population? It’s only a handful and all have more than one team I believe.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Are there any one-team cities of half a million people that DONT have a team in the higher rungs of the efl ?
There are no one-team cities of half a million people in the UK apart from Leeds.
Some sites quote misleading population figures based on metropolitan district populations (so some have Bradford over 500,000 but that includes a good few satellite towns).
Cardiff's population is around 340,000.
But with its bigger catchment area and capital city status it should be established in the Premier League regardless of city population.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
goats
Huw Jenkins did a better job
Huw Jenkins wasn't has bad as he's made out to be..
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
Are you ankles or Sugarman?
I know you're upset Stockholm, but it's a bit cowardly to bring me into the equation (by name) isn't it?
I've said nothing about Tan and his minions in recent times, so why mention me? By name? While hiding behind an anonymous username?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
Fair shout my apologies. :thumbup:
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
Fair shout my apologies.
Accepted.
:thumbup:
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
In an ideal world the bullshitters who say they are proud to be welsh and have plenty of money would see what a successful football team does for a city and its region
But they are bullshitters
So we have had in the past local businessmen and now we have Vincent Tan
If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle
It is always thus
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In an ideal world the bullshitters who say they are proud to be welsh and have plenty of money would see what a successful football team does for a city and its region
But they are bullshitters
So we have had in the past local businessmen and now we have Vincent Tan
If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle
It is always thus
What are you on about?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
What are you on about?
:hehe:
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
The way the club is run is an utter farce. The board of directors consists of Dalman, Ken, Borley, Datuk Caramella, Derek Chin and Abdul Rasheed. There are non-league clubs with more football nous and knowledge than that lot.
Competitor clubs must look on in amazement at the way the money the club has been given from VT, the Premier League and parachute payments has been squandered.
How is it even possible for a team of such utter awfulness to take the field on Sunday? Dubious agents, Neil and James Warnock and sundry other characters have exploited the weapons-grade levels of incompetence of the ludicrous ‘transfer committee’ reducing us to that. God knows where we go from here.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Choo and Dalman have been lucky enough to do their jobs at a time when City had someone far richer than any previous owner of the club in place and yet they’ve still presided over a club which is on its worst run in thirty five years. With the money Tan has put in, we should be in a far better position in the table and not playing such mind numbingly boring football.
Maybe money isn't everything, and we ought to start with a good plan, get a good structure at the club, and start building where it doesn't need money pumped in to make changes.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
What are you on about?
Cardiff and its surrounding area could put the city on the map with a successful football club
Yet local business and celebrities don't seem to want to know
Tony Clemo was not perfect but he did his best
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Cardiff and its surrounding area could put the city on the map with a successful football club
Yet local business and celebrities don't seem to want to know
Tony Clemo was not perfect but he did his best
Who exactly are you calling out? What a strange post.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
Who exactly are you calling out? What a strange post.
It seems obvious to me :shrug:
A vote of confidence for VT no?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
When Tan took over the club we had just lost a playoff final. In 7 of the 11 seasons since his takeover, we have failed to do as well as the season prior to that takeover.
I can't see that as being successful.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
There are no one-team cities of half a million people in the UK apart from Leeds.
Some sites quote misleading population figures based on metropolitan district populations (so some have Bradford over 500,000 but that includes a good few satellite towns).
Cardiff's population is around 340,000.
But with its bigger catchment area and capital city status it should be established in the Premier League regardless of city population.
Ye....I realise I was a bit generous on the half a million.
My point is , if we had gone out of business 12 or 13 years ago and had to reform in non-league, it'd be highly unlikely that we'd be much lower than we are at present, given the amount of money that would be invested in a club with the fanbase and catchment area we have. That's not me being arrogant , I just think it's the most logical outcome. We are not Halifax, Wrexham or Southend.
People can talk about Tan saving us, but there is a reasonable likelihood that had he not saved us , we would be in a similar or even better situation now.
We would be better in that we would likely have more supporter involvement. We'd more likely have a team and a style of football that we'd all like to see.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
Who exactly are you calling out? What a strange post.
:hehe:
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Ye....I realise I was a bit generous on the half a million.
My point is , if we had gone out of business 12 or 13 years ago and had to reform in non-league, it'd be highly unlikely that we'd be much lower than we are at present, given the amount of money that would be invested in a club with the fanbase and catchment area we have. That's not me being arrogant , I just think it's the most logical outcome. We are not Halifax, Wrexham or Southend.
People can talk about Tan saving us, but there is a reasonable likelihood that had he not saved us , we would be in a similar or even better situation now.
We would be better in that we would likely have more supporter involvement. We'd more likely have a team and a style of football that we'd all like to see.
Its not logical. It's an assumption.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Wise up.
Best owner we've had for a very long time
Anyone calling for tan "to go" is a moron howling in the wind. Go where? It's his club. Who would fire him? Is anybody actually stupid enough not to grasp this?
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
if we had gone out of business 12 or 13 years ago and had to reform in non-league, it'd be highly unlikely that we'd be much lower than we are at present.
We'd have missed a season in the EPL. We would have missed more than a decade in the top two tiers. These things were pipe dreams in the 1990s, and the idea that we would have marched through the non leagues back to our current spot is fanciful in the extreme. You talk about the potential for investment- were you around in the 1990s? We were a better buy back then, when everyone actually thought we would get crowds of 40k+ if we made it to what is now the championship.
I disagree with your statement.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
Who exactly are you calling out? What a strange post.
Think the point he's making that no one locally is willing to invest in Cardiff to exploit the potential population of inner Cardiff and its surrounding area , therefore we must accept that Vincent is by far the only loyal business friend we have willing to support us with his own money .
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Think the point he's making that no one locally is willing to invest in Cardiff to exploit the potential population of inner Cardiff and its surrounding area , therefore we must accept that Vincent is by far the only loyal business friend we have willing to support us with his own money .
We’ll say that init
Blokes talking rubbish. Acting as if wearily people local to Cardiff owe the club or the city anything,
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Maybe money isn't everything, and we ought to start with a good plan, get a good structure at the club, and start building where it doesn't need money pumped in to make changes.
Money is a very good starting point though and my point is that the owner has pumped enough in for any vaguely competent CEO and Chairman to have made a better job of running the club than ours have.
I’d like to believe that Tan, Dalman and Choo would finally see the light and accept that they don’t have the football knowledge collectively to tyrn us into, for example, a Burnley, Brighton, Palace, Brentford or even a Coventry, but City fans have been talking about the need for something like a Director of Football for five years and more and we’re still as far away as ever from appointing one.
I’m guessing and I may be wrong, but I think the Mackay/Moody incident deeply effected Vincent Tan and has left him with a deep distrust of “football people” - it’s as if he has an advisor he trusts who makes recommendations on things like managerial appointments based on the sort of person they think Tan could work with.
Four of our last five managers have been, basically, defensive, long ball merchants, hence we’ve ended with the current very limited technically squad of senior pros which are so much worse at retaining the ball than almost every team they play. This has been a gradual process which Tan, Dalman and Choo have done nothing to try to halt, so I can only conclude that it is a route they have been happy to go down - for me, given his public pronouncements on the game, it seems reasonable to believe that Vincent Tan likes us to be bigger and more physical than our opponents and has little patience with what he sees as messing about with the ball at the back, it’s entirely believable that he’d want us to lump it forward as soon as possible.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
Anyone calling for tan "to go" is a moron howling in the wind. Go where? It's his club. Who would fire him? Is anybody actually stupid enough not to grasp this?
Funnily enough most of us have just seen Newcastle fans get rid of Ashley so where there’s a will there’s a way.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Its not logical. It's an assumption.
it's a logical assumption.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
it's a logical assumption.
In your opinion.
Its more logical wed be non league.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
We'd have missed a season in the EPL. We would have missed more than a decade in the top two tiers. These things were pipe dreams in the 1990s, and the idea that we would have marched through the non leagues back to our current spot is fanciful in the extreme. You talk about the potential for investment- were you around in the 1990s? We were a better buy back then, when everyone actually thought we would get crowds of 40k+ if we made it to what is now the championship.
I disagree with your statement.
I would counter the following -
I enjoyed some of the football more in the nineties than I did the EPL seasons.
AFC Wimbledon.
The investment now compared to the investment made in the 90s is incomparable.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Its more logical wed be non league.
do you ever justify anything ? ****in awesome person to debate with fair play.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
Bury AFC restarted in North West Counties Division One, which is tier 10. It's asking quite a lot to go from tier 10 to tier 2 in 12 years.
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Ye....I realise I was a bit generous on the half a million.
My point is , if we had gone out of business 12 or 13 years ago and had to reform in non-league, it'd be highly unlikely that we'd be much lower than we are at present, given the amount of money that would be invested in a club with the fanbase and catchment area we have. That's not me being arrogant , I just think it's the most logical outcome. We are not Halifax, Wrexham or Southend.
People can talk about Tan saving us, but there is a reasonable likelihood that had he not saved us , we would be in a similar or even better situation now.
We would be better in that we would likely have more supporter involvement. We'd more likely have a team and a style of football that we'd all like to see.
while this looks great on the screen, let be honest, local business's with enough money were hardly kicking the clubs door down Before VT came, look at the late 90's were really needed some local investment and it never really happened, When Rick Wright was asking people to step forward and push on after the promotion season, very little happened
When things were Dire, I know a few stepped forward, Steve Borely ploughed enough money in to keep the club alive :thumbup:
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Re: People calling for Tan to go
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
do you ever justify anything ? ****in awesome person to debate with fair play.
Yeah no players no money no owner no manager no coaches.
First step ownership from somewhere found then we need a manager and players. Do we have a ground or has that gone.?
We spent 20 plus years in the lower league so I dont think and all conquering phoenix club is going to storm through the non league and the lower divisions with no money and possibly no ground.
Better going bust!!! Lunacy.