Quinton de Kock.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

He was told , a directive was issued, they told him on the way to ground the team as one were taking the knee ,in my world that's no choice ,so your forced .

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Oh give over. In my world that's part of being a team 'as one'. He's even apologised. Move on.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

He was told , a directive was issued, they told him on the way to ground the team as one were taking the knee ,in my world that's no choice ,so your forced .

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If that’s true, he still wasn’t forced. If you’re forced to do something, I take it as you actually do it under duress, he didn’t, he made his choice not to. He chose not to, what part of ‘having no choice’ do you not understand?

""No cricketer should be ( forced ) to take a knee - Quinton de Kock had the right to freedom of choice""

"" The*Quinton de Kock controversy*comes down to one fundamental point: no sportsperson should be told what to do when it comes to expressing their personal views.*""

""Sports boards have the right to demand their players perform a certain way, and prepare properly, but when it comes to expressing political opinions, or views around moral issues, that has to be left to the individual.*""

""Taking the knee only has strength if the person doing it believes in it fully - otherwise it is a hollow symbol. Quinton's problem now is that he has committed to taking the knee despite everyone knowing that he doesn't really believe in it.*""

Comment today by Michael Vaughan

Of course he's being forced 🙄

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Originally Posted by life on mars

""No cricketer should be ( forced ) to take a knee - Quinton de Kock had the right to freedom of choice""

"" The*Quinton de Kock controversy*comes down to one fundamental point: no sportsperson should be told what to do when it comes to expressing their personal views.*""

""Sports boards have the right to demand their players perform a certain way, and prepare properly, but when it comes to expressing political opinions, or views around moral issues, that has to be left to the individual.*""

""Taking the knee only has strength if the person doing it believes in it fully - otherwise it is a hollow symbol. Quinton's problem now is that he has committed to taking the knee despite everyone knowing that he doesn't really believe in it.*""

Comment today by Michael Vaughan

Of course he's being forced ��

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He’s not.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

He’s not.

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Qf course he was, kneel or dont play .That is forced.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Qf course he was, kneel or dont play .That is forced.

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It’s a choice, he chose not to, there were consequences to his choice. I s’pose there’s consequences to most choices in life. I’m not being forced to go to work today but if I choose not to the consequences are I lose a day’s pay.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

It’s a choice, he chose not to, there were consequences to his choice. I s’pose there’s consequences to most choices in life. I’m not being forced to go to work today but if I choose not to the consequences are I lose a day’s pay.

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He is going to play in the future , going against his beliefs (whatever they are ) he will take the knee.
He has been forced to change his beliefs or he doesn't play.

the analogy you are using has no bearing on this story.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

He is going to play in the future , going against his beliefs (whatever they are ) he will take the knee.
He has been forced to change his beliefs or he doesn't play.

the analogy you are using has no bearing on this story.

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He hasn't been forced to change his beliefs - as you say, whatever they are. He was directed by his employers to demonstrate a united front against racial inequality. I'm sure we're all subject, daily, to being told to do things we don't want to do. I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

He hasn't been forced to change his beliefs - as you say, whatever they are. He was directed by his employers to demonstrate a united front against racial inequality. I'm sure we're all subject, daily, to being told to do things we don't want to do. I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

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I didn't say he has had to change his beliefs . He is going against his beliefs.
I hope I haven't got involved in bickering , just pointing out the obvious.
I haven't expressed a personal view on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I didn't say he has had to change his beliefs . He is going against his beliefs.
I hope I haven't got involved in bickering , just pointing out the obvious.
I haven't expressed a personal view on the matter.

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Sorry if that came across wrongly. I wasn't having a go and I'm checking out of this thread now anyway because I've seen some horror shows on the board recently! Life's too short! Anyway, all's good, I'm getting back to the football, work, and watching old videos of horrendous refereeing decisions to still get worked up about decades after the match! :thumbup:

Well one thing is for sure he doesn't have a free choice as a human to chose if he stands , knees etc , etc In my book that's being forced to do something against ones freewill .

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

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Yes, exactly the reason why it is pointless. It allows governing bodies and millionaires within sport to pretend they are dealing with with racial inequality when they simply aren't.

And now the world decides who is racist or not by who performs this gesture, rather than their actions. It is part of the dumbing down of everything around us.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Yes, exactly the reason why it is pointless. It allows governing bodies and millionaires within sport to pretend they are dealing with with racial inequality when they simply aren't.

And now the world decides who is racist or not by who performs this gesture, rather than their actions. It is part of the dumbing down of everything around us.

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So true 👍

Actions speak louder than gestures it's a nice veneer tactic for sport to support they have had decades of injustices to reflect on and fix , In particular football where black players are many, sadly the organisation itself , coaching , managers, referees are few.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Sorry if that came across wrongly. I wasn't having a go and I'm checking out of this thread now anyway because I've seen some horror shows on the board recently! Life's too short! Anyway, all's good, I'm getting back to the football, work, and watching old videos of horrendous refereeing decisions to still get worked up about decades after the match! :thumbup:

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:thumbup:

Cardiff City refused to back the multi racial mural in Butetown

When it comes to ticking boxes and not actually doing anything about racism you don't have to look far

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Well one thing is for sure he doesn't have a free choice as a human to chose if he stands , knees etc , etc In my book that's being forced to do something against ones freewill .

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the fact is

if he wanted to play for his country, then he had to take the Knee

some will say he wasn't forced to take it ( and of course would not play ), but if he wanted to play for his country he would have to