Possible COVID PASSES for pubs !!!

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...19-was-a-hoax/

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The infection fatality rate (IFR) measures how many infected people die from a disease. The majority of scientific papers report an IFR of 0.68% for COVID-19, meaning that 68 people out of 10,000 people who are infected will die. The fatality rate from COVID-19 is noticeably higher than that of the flu, which has an IFR of 0.1% in the U.S

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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...int-15-percent

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The study doesn’t compare the deadliness of the coronavirus to seasonal influenza. The World Health Organization has estimated seasonal flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%. That’s about10 times less than the infection fatality ratio that Imperial College of London scientists found for coronavirus in high-income nations.

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I could keep going.


I'm not making a point about vaccine passports at all by the way I'm just posting facts.

But in terms of taking away freedom of choice I don't think it is. People are still free to not get vaccinated. If it is anything like France they will just be able to do a covid test every time they want to go anywhere. It is not like this will last forever.

I question the thought process and judgement of not wanting a jab unless actually medically exempt but if peoeple don't want one there is absolutely nothing making them.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

There are loads of articles that state it is the same IFR as well , which are more up to date - I will post them when I have time if you want or I could bring them to the next home game.

Ultimately whatever people think ,they are discriminatory towards other businesses, towards people who are unable to practise freedom of choice.

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I hope none of those articles have been funded by someone, as that could present a conflict of interest

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I hope none of those articles have been funded by someone, as that could present a conflict of interest

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They could indeed, anything else to add ?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...19-was-a-hoax/



https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...int-15-percent



I could keep going.


I'm not making a point about vaccine passports at all by the way I'm just posting facts.

But in terms of taking away freedom of choice I don't think it is. People are still free to not get vaccinated. If it is anything like France they will just be able to do a covid test every time they want to go anywhere. It is not like this will last forever.

I question the thought process and judgement of not wanting a jab unless actually medically exempt but if peoeple don't want one there is absolutely nothing making them.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...like-flu-says/

https://fullfact.org/health/covid-flu-2021/

I've just realised TWG is just Wales Bales, post history makes it very obvious.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...like-flu-says/

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That doesn't say anything about IFR. Once everyone is protected enough by the jabs we will treat it like flu, in fact we almost are at the moment. But with winter coming and boosters needed we can't be complacent.

I don't even understand what argument you're trying to make here, spell it out for me please.

I think your incorrect my friend perhaps we have similar opinions like many of your friends on here have with you , just to be clear , you’re making false assumptions … have another go will you ?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

For the life of me I can't understand the issue; if the Government decides solely on the reason that it is to protect the health and wellbeing of the majority then so be it, pubs etc. will just have to conform it they want to stay in business. I don't think the check will be too onerous for them.

It's like the business about people having the right to refuse vaccinations: absolutely correct, it's their own bodies so they should have that right. However if it is believed they put others in danger by not being vaccinated then I think they should accept the fact that certain of their liberties will be curtailed. In my opinion its like the sensible ruling that, as it's your own body, you should be able to intake as much alcohol as you wish and can afford, however, deciding to pursue that course of action will restrict your right to drive. Not unreasonable I think.

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Quite the correct view IMO.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The funding will in my opinion give it a conflict of interest, but as I’ve said it’s important to debate things like this.

The pass in my opinion could be discriminatory and could lead to a two tiered society.

I agree that some things in Parliament are debatable and unimportant, however COVID facts gives it a different perspective altogether.

Ultimately 30% will be all for it ( regardless of any counter opinion), 40% will be on the fence and the other 30% will be against.

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Complete and utter bollocks. Because the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funded the work doesn't mean it's biased. I've done work paid for by that Foundation and I can tell you from experience they did not interfere one jot.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I think your incorrect my friend perhaps we have similar opinions like many of your friends on here have with you , just to be clear , you’re making false assumptions … have another go will you ?

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Incorrect about what?

Not that I agree with it for pubs, but why would they need to employ door staff? Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to getbrhe barstaff to check for it before serving people? Like asking those that look underage for ID...

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I've just realised TWG is just Wales Bales, post history makes it very obvious.

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So who is TGW1

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I think your incorrect my friend perhaps we have similar opinions like many of your friends on here have with you , just to be clear , you’re making false assumptions … have another go will you ?

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I don't know who you are or who you're meant to be blah blah and I don't think it matters tbh, but one thing I noticed is your sign up date and the fact the fella I'm question hasn't been around for quite some time, he hasn't posted under that name for some time..you joined 3 months ago..makes sense that you wouldn't know who he was as a new poster..

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

In New York, the bartender or waitperson asks for the pass. Seems to be working fine. Think of it as enabling business.

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I'd say the whole experience would be different in so many ways , last time I went beer costs sat between 6 to 8 dollars therefore reducing the walk in and stay to get drunk mentality and behaviours so they are more controllable , where as staff in UK pubs face a far more tricky discussion /behaviour with its drunken punters .

I've seen bars late at night 3 or 4 deep and anger from punters just waiting on normal service .

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I don't know who you are or who you're meant to be blah blah and I don't think it matters tbh, but one thing I noticed is your sign up date and the fact the fella I'm question hasn't been around for quite some time, he hasn't posted under that name for some time..you joined 3 months ago..makes sense that you wouldn't know who he was as a new poster..

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I don’t know the nuances of a message-board, but why would anyone assume that two user names are the same person , why don’t you just ask the Board Amin to compare IP addresses if your that concerned?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

So who is TGW1

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Seriously if you’re that concerned I’m more that happy to meet you , drop me a PM and I’ll give you my phone number ?

Do those rules apply to everyone?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Seriously if you’re that concerned I’m more that happy to meet you , drop me a PM and I’ll give you my phone number ?

Do those rules apply to everyone?

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You've asked to meet up with people a number of times now - This isn't Grindr you ****ing, moronic twat.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Not that I agree with it for pubs, but why would they need to employ door staff? Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to getbrhe barstaff to check for it before serving people? Like asking those that look underage for ID...

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Problem then is that people are already in the pub and standing at the bar.

Basically the situation for the last few weeks is this;

Scotland - you need a covid jab to get in nightclubs etc
Wales - you need a covid jab or negative test to get in nightclubs etc
England -it's voluntary (I think)

Has there been any notable difference in rates across the three countries?

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

You've asked to meet up with people a number of times now - This isn't Grindr you ****ing, moronic twat.

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We all know it is really, it's just the flirting is very aggressive.

Clearly you didn’t get it did you ….. He thinks I’m another poster ….. FGS

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

We all know it is really, it's just the flirting is very aggressive.

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:hehe: How comes I ain't getting no offers of sex then? Maybe TWG1 will send me a dick pic.. a selfie.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'd say the whole experience would be different in so many ways , last time I went beer costs sat between 6 to 8 dollars therefore reducing the walk in and stay to get drunk mentality and behaviours so they are more controllable , where as staff in UK pubs face a far more tricky discussion /behaviour with its drunken punters .

I've seen bars late at night 3 or 4 deep and anger from punters just waiting on normal service .

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So people shouldn't take entirely reasonable and manageable steps to limit the spread of a highly contagous virus because dickheads get angry at having to wait at the bar for a pint of stella? Give your head a wobble you absolute clown.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Problem then is that people are already in the pub and standing at the bar.

Basically the situation for the last few weeks is this;

Scotland - you need a covid jab to get in nightclubs etc
Wales - you need a covid jab or negative test to get in nightclubs etc
England -it's voluntary (I think)

Has there been any notable difference in rates across the three countries?

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Oh come off it. There are so many other factors influencing the actual and measured infection rate than just pub/bar entrance requirements to make the simplistic inference you are dying to draw laughable. there's a pattern here - you seem to want to simplify very complex issues to the point of absurdity.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

In New York, the bartender or waitperson asks for the pass. Seems to be working fine. Think of it as enabling business.

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That’s way to sensible for us over here to muster, someone will take offence and the whole system will go on hold with a government enquiry….

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Originally Posted by az city

Oh come off it. There are so many other factors influencing the actual and measured infection rate than just pub/bar entrance requirements to make the simplistic inference you are dying to draw laughable. there's a pattern here - you seem to want to simplify very complex issues to the point of absurdity.

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I'll remind you, I only asked if there was evidence of different rates in Scotland, Wales and England in recent weeks. Chill out.

But, you are right. There are a huge number of factors influencing it, and that's my point. It's largely irrelevant, and yet we create new social divisions, discriminate against people and cross a threshold we haven't done before, for no discernible benefit.

As I said, the risk is the policy backfires; if one member of the group can't go to the pub then you end up in a house party where there are no restrictions whatsoever.

I just don't agree with it on principle, and if there is seemingly no clear health benefit either, then it's unlikely to convince me tbh.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'll remind you, I only asked if there was evidence of different rates in Scotland, Wales and England in recent weeks. Chill out.

But, you are right. There are a huge number of factors influencing it, and that's my point. It's largely irrelevant, and yet we create new social divisions, discriminate against people and cross a threshold we haven't done before, for no discernible benefit.

As I said, the risk is the policy backfires; if one member of the group can't go to the pub then you end up in a house party where there are no restrictions whatsoever.

I just don't agree with it on principle, and if there is seemingly no clear health benefit either, then it's unlikely to convince me tbh.

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How is it discriminating against anyone? Unvaxxed just need to get a test.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

:hehe: How comes I ain't getting no offers of sex then? Maybe TWG1 will send me a dick pic.. a selfie.

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This board is full of dicks, you must be doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

How is it discriminating against anyone? Unvaxxed just need to get a test.

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I should add, my issue is more with the Scottish approach of requiring a vaccine as opposed to the Welsh one of a vaccine or negative test..but, there's still strong arguments it's discriminatory.

I can just see the costs and benefits and on balance don't support it. Not everything has to be done to fight the virus and nothing else. If that were the case then pubs wouldn't be open at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rapped-say-mps

**** let's hope Wales take the welsh approach although I suppose Wales is more likely to take the Sottish approach

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

**** let's hope Wales take the welsh approach although I suppose Wales is more likely to take the Sottish approach

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I think approaches to all of this change pretty quickly. The Welsh approach wasn't to require passes to enter the cinema, until it was.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What’s predictable about this thread is that any poster who is deemed not “regular “ and has a different opinion to the “regular” posters on any subject , not just this one ,is ganged up on ( in a virtual sense ) funny how people act when anonymous…….

Face to face a different matter I’m sure :hehe:

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We live in very strange times, when it appears that governments are discovering they can impose virtually anything upon their citizens without the slightest protest. New Zealand spent a year effectively closed, they then get a few cases and hey presto decide that they can't stop covid and open up, no-one complains. States in Australia lockdown completely because of 1 single case in each - you couldn't even go to the beach ! Yet no complaints, no objections. India is imposing lockdowns in Delhi because of pollution. Do you think it unreasonable to expect a UK/Wales government to impose more lockdowns if there's a 'flu epidemic - to protect the NHS of course.

The Welsh covid pass is utter rubbish. Can't understand why anyone with a brain would support it in its current format.

It relies on asking people who haven't been vaccinated to take a covid test and then properly report the results. It's an absolute joke. If they don't care enough to get vaccinated what makes anyone think they will bother to do the test and report the results properly. All they'll do is log on and pretend they have done it.

Typical rubbish from a government who want to be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything

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Originally Posted by life on mars

So who is TGW1

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I wonder if its rudy gestede, haven't seen that poster around for a while :hehe:

Do people going to church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship, need to show passports ?

Or are they immune to covid ?

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

The Welsh covid pass is utter rubbish. Can't understand why anyone with a brain would support it in its current format.

It relies on asking people who haven't been vaccinated to take a covid test and then properly report the results. It's an absolute joke. If they don't care enough to get vaccinated what makes anyone think they will bother to do the test and report the results properly. All they'll do is log on and pretend they have done it.

Typical rubbish from a government who want to be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything

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Thats pretty much the way it around around the world, prove you haven't got Covid by doing a LFT yourself and being honest

makes me laugh when people are arguing about Covid passports when they mean nothing and then we travel and sit with thousands of others at a football match without a mask insight

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Do people going to church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship, need to show passports ?

Or are they immune to covid ?

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Protected by a greater thing

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

So people shouldn't take entirely reasonable and manageable steps to limit the spread of a highly contagous virus because dickheads get angry at having to wait at the bar for a pint of stella? Give your head a wobble you absolute clown.

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I not talking about responsibilities I'm talking about the difference between two settings ie UK Bars v USA Bars and how different they are in delivering the same solution and the abuse poor old UK bar staff may get compared to less busy NYC bar as they are a world apart in terms of drinking cultures and behaviours.

If it reduces the chances of people from falling ill, eases the pressure on our NHS staff and allows businesses to keep trading then I don't have a problem with it.

The passes could be more robust and include your photo but failing that is the best solution we have.