FACup draw an embarrassment.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Women commentators screech when they get excited, just like women in general. Anyway I think it's time for Women's football to move on , and the sooner a top player come out as straight, all the better.

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You're right there, mate. Quite frankly, I'd be happy if all women were killed and if they want me to personally kill every one of them with my bare hands then I will. They are scum.

What I thought was laughable was Radio5 introduced the draw as one of the “iconic” moments in sport and bugged up the 3rd round draw, then went to Goodison to talk about the Arsenal game for 5 minutes, by which time the draw had started and their “live” coverage was 30 seconds behind the actual draw! Not so iconic that they felt the need to actually respect the draw then.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, anyone who has a daughter cannot be sexist?

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I don't know I'm not sexist.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

As usual, people quickly polarise in discussions on here and descend into ad hominem attacks very quickly. I actually agree with Dembe to some degree (a very rare occurence indeed) as although we as a society need to be far more inclusive and on a grand scale, my personal opinion is that females are being shoe-horned disproportionately in to some roles in the sporting media.
I realise that it is done for the right reasons but I think the recipe needs tweaking a wee bit. I think I recall seeing Gareth Thomas as the single male panellist of three for a (male) Wales international game in the last year or so, which seemed disproportionate. If my memory has failed me I would be happy to hold up my hands, of course.
There should always be room to debate a matter in the space between two extreme positions and there is if we cannot consider a bit of fine tuning between two absolutes it would be unfortunate.

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Thank you. I even gave an example with the lions presenter, a classic case of having her there just because shes a woman.

I'm not really arsed about them in football commentary, my point about Scott and the over analysis she does on micro incidents was a criticism of that and not BECAUSE she is a woman :hehe:

The reaction of a few on here is ****ing hilarious to be honest.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

My masculinity can take it, I think for some it's the reasons behind the woment on the TV its just a token gesture, pandering whatever you want to call it. There was nothing wrong with it, why change it etc.

That Alex Scott tries way way too hard as well, microanalysis on throw ins and overly explaining way too much. Trying to prove herself. I think it's stupid to have them, I wouldn't say it angers me in any way now, or my fragile masculinity can't deal with it, I just don't see the point in them.

Was the same with Lions coverage, commentary team usually all ex lions unless I am mistaken? Why do they feel the need to add a women's International that has played test rugby but not been on a lions tour? The other blokes are all ex lions, at this rate they may as well have any ex test International on there.from the blokes too, isn't the whole point because they have a history with the lions and how it all works etc. Then they slap her bang in the middle of them. Things like that ARE pointless, it is definitely about being inclusive, PC all the rest of it and pandering.

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They're just trying to make what is traditionally an all male sport feel more inclusive to women, and by having a woman involved in the commentary team it probably does do that. She might not have been a Lion but she played rugby at international level, and if every commentator had to have played the sport at the exact level they're commentating on then there'll be a lot of fellas at the job centre tomorrow.

I've just had a look at the Sky team for the Lions series:

Sam Warburton (male)
Bryan Habana (male)
Ronan O Gara (male)
Will Greenwood (male)
Sir Ian McGeechan (male)
Nigel Owens (male)
Scott Quinnell (male)
Maggie Alphonsi (female)

How anybody can look at that lineup and their only takeaway is a moan about one woman being there is beyond me

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Originally Posted by delmbox

They're just trying to make what is traditionally an all male sport feel more inclusive to women, and by having a woman involved in the commentary team it probably does do that. She might not have been a Lion but she played rugby at international level, and if every commentator had to have played the sport at the exact level they're commentating on then there'll be a lot of fellas at the job centre tomorrow.

I've just had a look at the Sky team for the Lions series:

Sam Warburton (male)
Bryan Habana (male)
Ronan O Gara (male)
Will Greenwood (male)
Sir Ian McGeechan (male)
Nigel Owens (male)
Scott Quinnell (male)
Maggie Alphonsi (female)

How anybody can look at that lineup and their only takeaway is a moan about one woman being there is beyond me

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she's not a lion because there IS no Lions women's team. if there had been one when she was playing then she would definitely have been in it.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

They're just trying to make what is traditionally an all male sport feel more inclusive to women, and by having a woman involved in the commentary team it probably does do that. She might not have been a Lion but she played rugby at international level, and if every commentator had to have played the sport at the exact level they're commentating on then there'll be a lot of fellas at the job centre tomorrow.

I've just had a look at the Sky team for the Lions series:

Sam Warburton (male)
Bryan Habana (male)
Ronan O Gara (male)
Will Greenwood (male)
Sir Ian McGeechan (male)
Nigel Owens (male)
Scott Quinnell (male)
Maggie Alphonsi (female)

How anybody can look at that lineup and their only takeaway is a moan about one woman being there is beyond me

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That's the standard set for the Lions over the years. Not mentioned it should be the standard across the sport.

Would somebody have been left out to include her?

Like I've said before, she won't have a clue about what the whole tour experience feels.like, uts not like playing international rugby, she can't comment on any of that, which is what they do before and during games.

In some cases it seems like they try too hard to include women. I didn't say I was against women being included, but I do think they try too hard, fitting round pegs in square holes if you will, on occasion.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

she's not a lion because there IS no Lions women's team. if there had been one when she was playing then she would definitely have been in it.

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Bingo.

If she had been on a women's tour I don't think you'd see me having a moan at her inclusion.

When they day comes, you could say her inclusion is merited, and not a token to appease watching fans, or they're scared that other sports/channels do it so they need to or people will call them out on it.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

That's the standard set for the Lions over the years. Not mentioned it should be the standard across the sport.

Would somebody have been left out to include her?

Like I've said before, she won't have a clue about what the whole tour experience feels.like, uts not like playing international rugby, she can't comment on any of that, which is what they do before and during games.

In some cases it seems like they Tey too hard to include women. I didn't say I was against women being included, but I do think they try too hard, fitting round pegs in square holes if you will, on occasion.

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Who cares if she doesn't know what the whole specific Lions tour experience feels like :hehe: I don't watch the Lions because I want to know what it's like having breakfast with Jamie Roberts

And even if you care about that do you're covered by the SIX other men there who can tell you about that (the 7th, Nigel Owens also doesn't know what a specific Lions tour experience feels like)

Seems like grasping for reasons to justify the fact that you just feel a bit weird about having her there to be honest

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Bingo.

If she had been on a women's tour I don't think you'd see me having a moan at her inclusion.

When they day comes, you could say her inclusion is merited, and not a token to appease watching fans, or they're scared that other sports/channels do it so they need to or people will call them out on it.

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she's won the world cup, 6 grand slams, and been voted by journalists as the best player in the world, pipping Richie McCaw to that honour according to her Wikipedia page, and she's in the world rugby hall of fame.
of all the female pundits you could have mentioned she seems better qualified than most to be honest.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Bingo.

If she had been on a women's tour I don't think you'd see me having a moan at her inclusion.

When they day comes, you could say her inclusion is merited, and not a token to appease watching fans, or they're scared that other sports/channels do it so they need to or people will call them out on it.

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It's not to appease though, it's to include, I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

Sports like rugby and football have traditionally been the domain of men, nowadays people are realising that women actually might quite like them too, so channels include women in the coverage. Truth is a lot (not all) of the men kicking off about that are doing so because they want it to still be the domain of men, but that's dressed up with spurious justifications about why they're annoyed by it.

My 9 year old niece is mad about football - she plays for a team, goes to Wales games. My sister wouldn't have even considered doing those things because they weren't really on the table for girls when she was growing up in the 80's/90's. The world's been geared towards men our entire lives and things are beginning to shift and balance out a bit. Part of that is more female presence on the commentary teams, it's not like men are under represented so I really don't see the issue personally

I'm getting on now but throughout my life the only time I've heard a woman's voice when it comes to football has been negative

None of my mother sister, wife, aunties, sister in law's etc had any interest in football whatsoever. The only time they'd comment would be to turn it off, why is football always on and why waste your time watching that crap. Don't go to the football we have to do something which I hate.

I also had a few girlfriends who told me it was either them or Cardiff City - I always chose the City.

Maybe sub consciously if I hear a woman's voice with football it's deriving a negative response from me cos that's all I associate it with over the years 😃

Anyway it's pointless now - it's here to stay

None of them will ever be as bad as Garth Crooks or Mark Lawrenson either

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Thank you. I even gave an example with the lions presenter, a classic case of having her there just because shes a woman.

I'm not really arsed about them in football commentary, my point about Scott and the over analysis she does on micro incidents was a criticism of that and not BECAUSE she is a woman :hehe:

The reaction of a few on here is ****ing hilarious to be honest.

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I think you come over as a bit polarised yourself at times, old fruit :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I think you come over as a bit polarised yourself at times, old fruit :hehe:

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Will not deny. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Who cares if she doesn't know what the whole specific Lions tour experience feels like :hehe: I don't watch the Lions because I want to know what it's like having breakfast with Jamie Roberts

And even if you care about that do you're covered by the SIX other men there who can tell you about that (the 7th, Nigel Owens also doesn't know what a specific Lions tour experience feels like)

Seems like grasping for reasons to justify the fact that you just feel a bit weird about having her there to be honest

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The men in the pub watching the rugby.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

The men in the pub watching the rugby.

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I don't get what you're saying here sorry mate, what's this in relation to?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I don't know I'm not sexist.

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Fair play that’s ripe for the “Eats shoots and leaves” treatment.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, anyone who has a daughter cannot be sexist?

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Isn’t there a joke in the office about this “how I can be sexist, my mum’s a woman”

Also every time there’s a thread that’s a big off, i.e a bit sexist, racist etc.

It’s always the exact same people who are twats. I cannot imagine how miserable monkfish, LoM etc must be with how ****ing miserable their opinions are.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I don't get what you're saying here sorry mate, what's this in relation to?

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I think it’s in response to who cares if she doesn’t know that the tour is like. Which is maybe the weakest argument to anything I’ve ever heard.

In the main I’m all for women involved in football but I agree the commentators are too screechy. I generally don’t mind a female expert on the panel - as someone said above, some women feel they can dismiss any talk about football by saying ‘not interested’ full stop - so it’s good we see far more women and women players on our screens. I agree with that Lions scenario, it was too much. Like asking me to comment on the cup final because I have played down the park.

I've never thought any women commentators are screechy. Do people just mean because their voices are higher?

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In the main I’m all for women involved in football but I agree the commentators are too screechy. I generally don’t mind a female expert on the panel - as someone said above, some women feel they can dismiss any talk about football by saying ‘not interested’ full stop - so it’s good we see far more women and women players on our screens. I agree with that Lions scenario, it was too much. Like asking me to comment on the cup final because I have played down the park.

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we've all got our opinions on this, and clearly a lot of people are used to the way it has always been and don't like change.

I really struggle with the idea that 1 female pundit out of 8 is too much?! are you saying that any female contribution is too much? if 0 out of 8 is the only acceptable amount then I'm bit sure your statement that you don't mind a female expert on the panel stacks up.
she's one of the most successful female players of all time, and has even overcome having a club foot to go and play elite sport. far better to bring some different voices and opinions in there rather than listening to the same few boring ex pros every time.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I don't get what you're saying here sorry mate, what's this in relation to?

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"Who cares about the commentators"

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think it’s in response to who cares if she doesn’t know that the tour is like. Which is maybe the weakest argument to anything I’ve ever heard.

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It's not an argument. It's It's reply to a question of who cares...

I think Alex Scott over does it not arsed that she's there doing the job though.

The womans lions commentator though, hurt my opinion, they put here there only because she was a woman, that citizens Nephew fella even agreed.

I don't care that she was there, I am saying the reason why is bollocks.

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Originally Posted by az city

Fair play that’s ripe for the “Eats shoots and leaves” treatment.

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Saying someone was given a job just because she is a woman isn't being sexist.

You lot don't half go overboard in your responses.

Bobs a bit of a coward. Pops on and calls someone a sexistnthen just trots off.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Bobs a bit of a coward. Pops on and calls someone a sexistnthen just trots off.

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Maybe he’s just got something else to do.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Maybe he’s just got something else to do.

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Perhaps. Slow day at work for me. Not a fan time drags.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

"Who cares about the commentators"

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I didn't say that though, I said "Who cares if she doesn't know what the whole specific Lions tour experience feels like"

and if the answer to that as well is "the guys in the pub" then may I suggest they stop being such babies and listen to what the 6 men that are also on TV are saying

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Maybe he’s just got something else to do.

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I’ve certainly got better to do than get involved with someone who comes on here each morning thinking now what can I have an argument about today? I’ve stuck him on ignore.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I didn't say that though, I said "Who cares if she doesn't know what the whole specific Lions tour experience feels like"

and if the answer to that as well is "the guys in the pub" then may I suggest they stop being such babies and listen to what the 6 men that are also on TV are saying

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You asked. I replied.

There's always more theough isn't there with you cocky lot, can't just say what you're saying , got to add a smart arse comment at the end.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’ve certainly got better to do than get involved with someone who comes on here each morning thinking now what can I have an argument about today? I’ve stuck him on ignore.

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When you don't fit the boys club on here, you can only possibly be here to rock the boat, people can't possibly have different opinions they must be after a wind up at every opportunity because their opinions don't fit.


You've proven yourself a coward. Well done.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

When you don't fit the boys club on here, you can only possibly be here to rock the boat

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****ing hell it's Martin Luther King :hehe:

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You asked. I replied.

There's always more theough isn't there with you cocky lot, can't just say what you're saying , got to add a smart arse comment at the end.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoX88gMoRE

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Originally Posted by delmbox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoX88gMoRE

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So saying you reply in a cocky manner suggests I'm angry.

It's just typical of this board, I've got a different opinion, one that another poster agreed with. Bob called me sexist, but he hasn't called the other poster sexist. Typical of ccmb, he respects one poster and doesn't like the other. Man's a coward.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

****ing hell it's Martin Luther King :hehe:

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Typical of ccmb. Poster has a different opinion, the usual bunch come running out of their safe spaces to have silly little digs..


You remind me of the kid in school that would sit there mouth closed as the school bully worked his way round the room, then be first to his feet to clap and cheer as the teacher pulled the ever so nasty little bully out by his ears. In his safe space.

You are another coward on here. Weasel of a human.

I’m just laughing at that cringe sentence you just posted. I don’t give a shit about your opinion tbh, it’s neither intelligent or interesting.

Anyway I’m off out for the evening so don’t think I’m a coward because I’m not responding to every post on ccmb 24/7.

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I’m just laughing at that cringe sentence you just posted. I don’t give a shit about your opinion tbh, it’s neither intelligent or interesting.

Anyway I’m off out for the evening so don’t think I’m a coward because I’m not responding to every post on ccmb 24/7.

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that's the cowards way out if you ask me

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Originally Posted by Ivortheengine

Get the women out of it. They are devaluing this great competition. Anyone can read facts off a chart. What’s it doing on ITV 4 ? Get the women off the screen and stick it back where it all started for me- Monday lunchtimes on the radio. It was much more exciting. And no women involved.

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When you say “anyone can read facts off a chart” are you suggesting male presenters don’t do that and it’s all in the top of their head?