Drakefords announcement Friday

I don't see them closing anything, nor least because Westminster won't be so there will be no money.

The vaccines are by and large are doing the job of keeping people out of hospital, the booster certainly will. The initial resistance to the infection wanes with time but the t cell response that should stop people from becoming really unwell lasts far longer.

It's nearly 2 years on, there's no way we could continue to shut ourselves away. We have to have a plan other than firefighting every time a new variant pops up, which they will continually. There are many many things that demand funding, time and energy, many of which have been badly neglected.

The problem being (as I see it) is that if these case numbers keep rising as they are (200,000 a day by Christmas) then its not just this new variant they are worried about but the masses of people self isolating for 10 days each time and the impact on the actual services. Hospital beds may not be at crisis point, but the staff to actually care for them might be.
What about the rozzers, fire service, supermarket staff, etc, etc if half of them can't actually work?
If they do nothing and let it spread then workplaces will be massively understaffed throughout January.
The booster gives extra protection hence the big push on it.

Thats my view anyway.

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Originally Posted by Monster munch

The problem being (as I see it) is that if these case numbers keep rising as they are (200,000 a day by Christmas) then its not just this new variant they are worried about but the masses of people self isolating for 10 days each time and the impact on the actual services. Hospital beds may not be at crisis point, but the staff to actually care for them might be.
What about the rozzers, fire service, supermarket staff, etc, etc if half of them can't actually work?
If they do nothing and let it spread then workplaces will be massively understaffed throughout January.
The booster gives extra protection hence the big push on it.

Thats my view anyway.

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Let's not forget those who distribute food and drink. Logistics could well be a nightmare. As an aside, the care home chain that owns my dad's care home have stopped all visits until Christmas Eve.

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Originally Posted by Monster munch

The problem being (as I see it) is that if these case numbers keep rising as they are (200,000 a day by Christmas) then its not just this new variant they are worried about but the masses of people self isolating for 10 days each time and the impact on the actual services. Hospital beds may not be at crisis point, but the staff to actually care for them might be.
What about the rozzers, fire service, supermarket staff, etc, etc if half of them can't actually work?
If they do nothing and let it spread then workplaces will be massively understaffed throughout January.
The booster gives extra protection hence the big push on it.

Thats my view anyway.

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Very well said!

Even if the new variant is milder, hospitalisations will be up due to the sheer number of people who will get it. The bigger picture will be a new round of the ‘pingdemic’ with many people isolating, especially when this hits the NHS staff. I’m sure there will be big supply chain issue too so get your toilet rolls and baby milk now if you can.

The issue of keeping schools open will depend on the reliability of the early reports from SA showing that kids are more adversely affected by this new strain.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

you would think so for sensible politicians , 32 cases of new variant is a worry though

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Why?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

This is not a criticism of you in any way, but it amazes me how quickly phrases like 'the rule of six' have become standard jargon. It's horseshit. But then the whole shebang is a load of horseshit.

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I seem to recall there being no science behind it at all, wasn't it just a number Michael Gove came up with?

Let's wait and see shall we? Always loads of rumours around these reviews that turn out to be false

What a Black Friday this will be if there's risk of pub restrictions

Boris is keeping England open as more an more people getting jabs and boosters.

More mask wearing and vaccine proof/neg LFT for larger events. Use common sense and generally go about your business

Seems a sensible approach to me. No self isolation for close contacts if you are negative. So the show can stay on the road.

Drakeford is going to make himself pretty unpopular if he closes things down.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Teachers in Wales have been emailed to 'prepare for remote learning' in the New Term year. When you consider Drakeford would consult with others on this, along with their secretaries, No 2's, then their close family, friends, you have probably a couple of hundred in the loop so to speak. No way would that stay secret for very long.

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I just spoke to a Cardiff headteacher and no email has been sent to that effect.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

True but it is great though

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Not a fan of table service at all, isolates you too much. I enjoy going up to the bar and having a chat with others while I’m waiting to get served.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Not a fan of table service at all, isolates you too much. I enjoy going up to the bar and having a chat with others while I’m waiting to get served.

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Maybe it's from being stood at the bar with you that my love of table service has grown :hehe:

The aim is to reduce hospitalisation

If kids get covid , if most of the population get covid , we are ok

Restrictions on schools , going on the piss , going to mass gatherings etc are all a bit much but if they are put in place they are there to stop the spread .

Because one of our friends or relatives could be the poor sod who snuffs it at 45 because the hospital couldn't get him or her treated in time .

I honestly don't know why people don't suck it up and try and abide by the advice given by the scientists .

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The aim is to reduce hospitalisation

If kids get covid , if most of the population get covid , we are ok

Restrictions on schools , going on the piss , going to mass gatherings etc are all a bit much but if they are put in place they are there to stop the spread .

Because one of our friends or relatives could be the poor sod who snuffs it at 45 because the hospital couldn't get him or her treated in time .

I honestly don't know why people don't suck it up and try and abide by the advice given by the scientists .

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I'll abide by the rules but I can absolutely see why some people won't at this stage, the goalposts keep shifting and those shifting them aren't following the rules themselves

I can't see Drakeford putting all of those restrictions the OP mentioned in place. The more he tries to impose, the more that people will choose to ignore.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Maybe it's from being stood at the bar with you that my love of table service has grown :hehe:

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Never mind the cheering, get the f*cking beer in:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

Boris is keeping England open as more an more people getting jabs and boosters.

More mask wearing and vaccine proof/neg LFT for larger events. Use common sense and generally go about your business

Seems a sensible approach to me. No self isolation for close contacts if you are negative. So the show can stay on the road.

Drakeford is going to make himself pretty unpopular if he closes things down.

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Particularly with only 60 cases here, 120 by the time he speaks….

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Originally Posted by goats

Particularly with only 60 cases here, 120 by the time he speaks….

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Cases doubling nearly once per day now, so could be 240 by Friday. By next Wednesday 7680 if it keeps up at that rate!!!

https://www.hospitalityandcateringne...y-this-friday/

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Originally Posted by binman

https://www.hospitalityandcateringne...y-this-friday/

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Derby's off then (for spectators), if this is true:
"Sporting events with more than 500 people must be played behind closed doors."

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Originally Posted by binman

https://www.hospitalityandcateringne...y-this-friday/

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Is the Welsh Government going to compensate all the businesses that it forces to shut?

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Is the Welsh Government going to compensate all the businesses that it forces to shut?

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They will place they begging bowl out to Westminster as usual. And they know it.

Closing nightclubs on Black Friday will be a popular one

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Originally Posted by binman

https://www.hospitalityandcateringne...y-this-friday/

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This is near enough what I heard today from a pub manager.

Completely over the top and makes you ask what has changed in two years...other than most of us have been jabbed numerous times, which was supposed to return life to some sort of normality

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Is the Welsh Government going to compensate all the businesses that it forces to shut?

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The decisions were taken due to diminishing confidence in the UK Government in Westminster. Party politics again then ffs…..

I would like to know what the scientific community on here think drakeford should do ?

Let's have it

If mask wearing in supermarkets is anything to go by, loads of people will just decide that the rules don't apply to them. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by binman

https://www.hospitalityandcateringne...y-this-friday/

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So according to that, no crowd on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

So according to that, no crowd on Saturday.

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Hot air balloon and a telescope it is then.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I would like to know what the scientific community on here think drakeford should do ?

Let's have it

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Don’t change anything.

Pubs over the border going to get busier hey

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Don’t change anything.

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Vaccine passports for all the things he’s shutting

lots more hospitality business's will be gone if they force these restrictions through

I wonder if Drakeford / Sturgeon will blame Westminster ? ??

The only new restriction that really could affect me is household bubbles. I've basically been shielding since the start and have had 3 jabs. I can't have my booster until the end of February if the 12 week gap is maintained, dont really intend to spend any decent amount of time in a crowded place.
We intend to have 3 households for Christmas dinner and even if we're restricted to 2, we'll probably still go ahead and not change our plans. Everyone else coming would have had their booster and will take a test before coming, so I can't see really what harm it could do.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

The only new restriction that really could affect me is household bubbles. I've basically been shielding since the start and have had 3 jabs. I can't have my booster until the end of February if the 12 week gap is maintained, dont really intend to spend any decent amount of time in a crowded place.
We intend to have 3 households for Christmas dinner and even if we're restricted to 2, we'll probably still go ahead and not change our plans. Everyone else coming would have had their booster and will take a test before coming, so I can't see really what harm it could do.

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sounds sensible and I guess what most will do

There’s going to house parties galore, can’t see everyone sticking to the restricted gathering rules. Lateral flow before you go for double jabbed and boosted, bring a bag of cans and game on. Lots off work for a fortnight, no getting up in the morning and no last orders. Good luck to the authorities policing it.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

There’s going to house parties galore, can’t see everyone sticking to the restricted gathering rules. Lateral flow before you go for double jabbed and boosted, bring a bag of cans and game on. Lots off work for a fortnight, no getting up in the morning and no last orders. Good luck to the authorities policing it.

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Good luck for those who have to self-isolate over Christmas as a result.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

There’s going to house parties galore, can’t see everyone sticking to the restricted gathering rules. Lateral flow before you go for double jabbed and boosted, bring a bag of cans and game on. Lots off work for a fortnight, no getting up in the morning and no last orders. Good luck to the authorities policing it.

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House parties everywhere as you say, particularly those who have just had a booster, no point in having it and staying home alone is there?

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

This is near enough what I heard today from a pub manager.

Completely over the top and makes you ask what has changed in two years...other than most of us have been jabbed numerous times, which was supposed to return life to some sort of normality

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Agree, we can’t go on like this year after year