City support from the Cardiff area's?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

In denial again

You might get Premier League tops in towns like Ipswich but Cardiff is flooded with them

Ipswich is a small place where the locals support their club . Here they have to be dragged to the ground . I am afraid that's the way it's always been . You can stamp your feet as much as you like but this is the problem we have always had . Blame it on lack of success , blame it on Cardiff having lots of other things to do , blame it on the Premier league but the support this club gets from Cardiff is not good enough .

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Not often I agree with a lefty but he’s right…..shocking support from the city itself, a smattering all over the suburbs but you can go into the city centre which will be packed with most oblivious ccfc are even playing. The West Country is similar to wales in that it has lots of glory boys too

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Originally Posted by nomad blue

Not sure how anyone can tell unless you define a city fan as someone who walks around with a city top on. Only people who would really know will be those that have access to the ticket/members database.

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I would expect the ticket/members database to have the address / postcode of everybody that has bought a ticket over at least the past five+ years. Don’t you need to give an address to purchase a ticket these days?

I’d love to see a heat map of South Wales showing where the core numbers for season tickets and memberships are, and things like STs per population of each postal area… at least we’d get some insight then, like where the club needs to do some work to attract support. It’s very easy to do. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Jamsarnie

I would expect the ticket/members database to have the address / postcode of everybody that has bought a ticket over at least the past five+ years. Don’t you need to give an address to purchase a ticket these days?

I’d love to see a heat map of South Wales showing where the core numbers for season tickets and memberships are, and things like STs per population of each postal area… at least we’d get some insight then, like where the club needs to do some work to attract support. It’s very easy to do. :shrug:

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The club are not going to do that , it's far too simple

One thing that surprised me was that something like 75 percent on man United season ticket holders came from greater Manchester according to their database ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The club are not going to do that , it's far too simple

One thing that surprised me was that something like 75 percent on man United season ticket holders came from greater Manchester according to their database ?

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Why does that surprise you?

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Originally Posted by ken smith

Why does that surprise you?

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Because United and Liverpool have such a countrywide support , I thought the locals would be squeezed out

Maybe they are and it's just rich locals

THeyve always been the best supported team in England though, even prior to Premier League when they weren't very good (relatively speaking).

The population is just under 3million people and pretty much everyone supports either them or Man City. The season ticket prices are not that expensive and the countrywide support are in the main TV watchers.

I do agree with you on the other points you've made about how shite the support from Cardiff is in general though.

Doncaster, Sunderland, Leicester & Coventry are similar sizes to Cardiff but the football followings seem to be dramatically different.

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

Doncaster, Sunderland, Leicester & Coventry are similar sizes to Cardiff but the football followings seem to be dramatically different.

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The advantage we have over Docaster Leicester and Coventry is the catchment areas. Those clubs have areas outside of the City who have a choice of clubs. The Valleys with us provides a significant percentage of our support.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well having a few programmes framed on the wall in a pub near the ground frequented on match days is not really the same

I mean people can argue the toss all day that Cardiff has good support from Cardiff itself but that's being in denial .

CCFC has always had a good following from outside the city limits , its in Cardiff where the support is lacking . Its woefully embarrassing to see man United and Liverpool tops around Canton on match day .

You wouldn't see that in a proper football city

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In denial? You're the one convinced people in Canton don't support Cardiff because they don't have a supporter's club to take them to games :hehe: :hehe:

The truth is you have nothing to back up what you're saying and you're pedalling the same old crap about Cardiff that you always do. Every city in Britain have people who support the big PL teams, Cardiff is no different.

Of course Cardiff does draw support from outside the city, but it does from inside it too

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

This is the thing I don't understand , we are more successful now , an established second flight team , yet there was more support when we were crap

I don't get it

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Combination of things -

My opinion is people are suckered into an identity regardless of the success

Went to Newcastle away once, it's night and day in terms of support. Everything was geared towards being Geordie and a toon supporter - shirts were worn with pride everywhere. They also don't have a hotbed of Liverpool/Man Utd etc supporters because they've always had some level of success, nor do they compete with rugby.

It's more difficult here in Cardiff, but we can do more

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Originally Posted by bobh

I haven't seen any City fans in St Mellons area, apart from my sons (and one of them now lives in Roath)

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I know a couple from there :thumbup:

The Monday morning after wed lost to Liverpool in the Carling Cup I dropped my Daughter off to her primary school. Some absolute w@nker had sent his kid into school in a Liverpool top.

What a pr!ck.

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Originally Posted by alfie

Back in the 70's there was a massive contingent from Llanrumney but sadly no interest anymore.

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Again..know fans from this area.


Not all of them walk around with flags and tips on :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Well, i'm just around the corner from you, so there's at least 2 of us :hehe: The Youngers Chippy on Caerphilly Rd is kitted out in City pics etc.The Barbers shop opposite the Birchgrove pub has a City themed stain glass window and a little further north is the butvhers arms in rhiwbina which used to be packed out with City memorabilia. North cardiff is a hotbed :hehe:

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Ha yes forgot about Youngers chippy. Forgot about that !

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Originally Posted by Packerman

talking bollux as usual Ipswich is a proper football town but you do see Premier league tops being worn around the town on any day its NOT a Cardiff only thing despite you always trying to promote that fiction

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Claps and claps.


Don't bother though, you won't beat him in an argument because he refuses to give an inch.

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue

I’ve been living in London for nearly a decade now and one thing I’ve experienced in work and my social life here that’s surprised me is how few “plastics” (I don’t care much for that term but it’s shorthand that’s understood) I’ve come across. In the minority of football fans I’ve got to spend any time with.

Nearly everyone I’ve met that’s a football fan supports a club from either the city/town/area they grew up in or it was where one of their parents were from and passed it on. Smaller sample size of course but very different to my experience of living in South Wales.

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London has 6 EPL clubs. 3 of them are amongst the biggest clubs in the country and the 4th is not too far behind. How many Brentford, QPR, Orient or Wimbledon fans have you met?

I was up in Sunderland recently and it was evident how much the football club meant to the whole city. Shirts everywhere and memorabilia in a lot of shops and pubs. It has a smaller population than Cardiff and a large rival up the road but maintains a diehard supporter base despite a struggling team.

Always felt like the stadium being in Canton was a factor for people in east Cardiff as it's awkward to get to. Imagine if we had the Arms Park; the walk up crowd on a Saturday would be huge!

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Originally Posted by City123

In denial? You're the one convinced people in Canton don't support Cardiff because they don't have a supporter's club to take them to games :hehe: :hehe:

The truth is you have nothing to back up what you're saying and you're pedalling the same old crap about Cardiff that you always do. Every city in Britain have people who support the big PL teams, Cardiff is no different.

Of course Cardiff does draw support from outside the city, but it does from inside it too

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I live in CF11 top of Penarth Road/Riverside, 10 mins from The Grange so pretty close to CCS. Me and Mrs. C walk to matches and there are masses of local supporters. We don't see many CCFC shirt wearers ( I own one but never wear it). We don't see many scarves but usually, there's the odd hat that's years old and worn (as in distressed). If you catch a No2 Dumballs Road bus you'll even see/meet people from The Bay going to games (shock horror). Lots of students from Grangetown and Canton go in small groups. They don't wear Cardiff tops.

It's utter bollux that we don't get a local following and yes, it's a complete myth that we're all wearing plastic tops in the city. Of course, there're no f*ckn supporters clubs from Grangetown. The club is, well, the supporters club.

I used to wear an old battered 99 baseball cap when I was more mobile and cycled around Cardiff (sadly, something I can no longer do) and would get loads of thumbs up, comments, 'great hat' remarks from all kinds of people around the city who recognised the significance of the 99.

There's no doubting the massive support outside of the city but there's a huge very local support too. I'd argue that the club just doesn't do enough to welcome asian and muslim locals. Something Yousef was trying to do when he organsied the mural near Bute Street. The club is bloody useless when it comes to trying to attract a more diverse supporter base and there are lots of local lads who would go if they felt more welcome.

Just because we're not wearing replica CCFC shirts doesn't mean we don't exist!

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Originally Posted by City123

In denial? You're the one convinced people in Canton don't support Cardiff because they don't have a supporter's club to take them to games :hehe: :hehe:

The truth is you have nothing to back up what you're saying and you're pedalling the same old crap about Cardiff that you always do. Every city in Britain have people who support the big PL teams, Cardiff is no different.

Of course Cardiff does draw support from outside the city, but it does from inside it too

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BTW, I was agreeing with you!

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Again..know fans from this area.


Not all of them walk around with flags and tops on :thumbup:

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I live in CF11 top of Penarth Road/Riverside, 10 mins from The Grange so pretty close to CCS. Me and Mrs. C walk to matches and there are masses of local supporters. We don't see many CCFC shirt wearers ( I own one but never wear it). We don't see many scarves but usually, there's the odd hat that's years old and worn (as in distressed). If you catch a No2 Dumballs Road bus you'll even see/meet people from The Bay going to games (shock horror). Lots of students from Grangetown and Canton go in small groups. They don't wear Cardiff tops.

It's utter bollux that we don't get a local following and yes, it's a complete myth that we're all wearing plastic tops in the city. Of course, there're no f*ckn supporters clubs from Grangetown. The club is, well, the supporters club.

I used to wear an old battered 99 baseball cap when I was more mobile and cycled around Cardiff (sadly, something I can no longer do) and would get loads of thumbs up, comments, 'great hat' remarks from all kinds of people around the city who recognised the significance of the 99.

There's no doubting the massive support outside of the city but there's a huge very local support too. I'd argue that the club just doesn't do enough to welcome asian and muslim locals. Something Yousef was trying to do when he organsied the mural near Bute Street. The club is bloody useless when it comes to trying to attract a more diverse supporter base and there are lots of local lads who would go if they felt more welcome.

Just because we're not wearing replica CCFC shirts doesn't mean we don't exist!

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I live in CF11 top of Penarth Road/Riverside, 10 mins from The Grange so pretty close to CCS. Me and Mrs. C walk to matches and there are masses of local supporters. We don't see many CCFC shirt wearers ( I own one but never wear it). We don't see many scarves but usually, there's the odd hat that's years old and worn (as in distressed). If you catch a No2 Dumballs Road bus you'll even see/meet people from The Bay going to games (shock horror). Lots of students from Grangetown and Canton go in small groups. They don't wear Cardiff tops.

It's utter bollux that we don't get a local following and yes, it's a complete myth that we're all wearing plastic tops in the city. Of course, there're no f*ckn supporters clubs from Grangetown. The club is, well, the supporters club.

I used to wear an old battered 99 baseball cap when I was more mobile and cycled around Cardiff (sadly, something I can no longer do) and would get loads of thumbs up, comments, 'great hat' remarks from all kinds of people around the city who recognised the significance of the 99.

There's no doubting the massive support outside of the city but there's a huge very local support too. I'd argue that the club just doesn't do enough to welcome asian and muslim locals. Something Yousef was trying to do when he organsied the mural near Bute Street. The club is bloody useless when it comes to trying to attract a more diverse supporter base and there are lots of local lads who would go if they felt more welcome.

Just because we're not wearing replica CCFC shirts doesn't mean we don't exist!

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There's nothing more fetching than seeing pot-bellied men in their fifties shoe-horned into football tops that are designed for much fitter specimens.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

There's nothing more fetching than seeing pot-bellied men in their fifties shoe-horned into football tops that are designed for much fitter specimens.

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You trying to say I is not looking fit like!?!

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Originally Posted by Jamsarnie

I would expect the ticket/members database to have the address / postcode of everybody that has bought a ticket over at least the past five+ years. Don’t you need to give an address to purchase a ticket these days?

I’d love to see a heat map of South Wales showing where the core numbers for season tickets and memberships are, and things like STs per population of each postal area… at least we’d get some insight then, like where the club needs to do some work to attract support. It’s very easy to do. :shrug:

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I’ve always found it bizarre that the club seem hell bent on attracting more support from the valleys when they have about half a million people who live within 15 miles who never go and they fail to entice…..

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Originally Posted by City123

In denial? You're the one convinced people in Canton don't support Cardiff because they don't have a supporter's club to take them to games :hehe: :hehe:

The truth is you have nothing to back up what you're saying and you're pedalling the same old crap about Cardiff that you always do. Every city in Britain have people who support the big PL teams, Cardiff is no different.

Of course Cardiff does draw support from outside the city, but it does from inside it too

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Firstly that's not what I said

Secondly it's long been said that CCFC would be struggling if it wasn't for the support from the valleys , Bridgend, Barry etc

And it's been said for a long time because it's true

Cardiff based ccfc fans are either the type that know this to be true or live in denial

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Originally Posted by goats

I’ve always found it bizarre that the club seem hell bent on attracting more support from the valleys when they have about half a million people who live within 15 miles who never go and they fail to entice…..

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Exactly this. They/we don't do enough. I speak to lots of locals who would never think of going because they don't identify with the club. We have to do more because the local ethnicity even within a 2 or 3-mile radius is totally underrepresented

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Claps and claps.


Don't bother though, you won't beat him in an argument because he refuses to give an inch.

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Well if you think Cardiff City is represented in South East Wales and particularly in Cardiff in the same way Portsmouth are down that way I will have some of what you are smoking

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I live in CF11 top of Penarth Road/Riverside, 10 mins from The Grange so pretty close to CCS. Me and Mrs. C walk to matches and there are masses of local supporters. We don't see many CCFC shirt wearers ( I own one but never wear it). We don't see many scarves but usually, there's the odd hat that's years old and worn (as in distressed). If you catch a No2 Dumballs Road bus you'll even see/meet people from The Bay going to games (shock horror). Lots of students from Grangetown and Canton go in small groups. They don't wear Cardiff tops.

It's utter bollux that we don't get a local following and yes, it's a complete myth that we're all wearing plastic tops in the city. Of course, there're no f*ckn supporters clubs from Grangetown. The club is, well, the supporters club.

I used to wear an old battered 99 baseball cap when I was more mobile and cycled around Cardiff (sadly, something I can no longer do) and would get loads of thumbs up, comments, 'great hat' remarks from all kinds of people around the city who recognised the significance of the 99.

There's no doubting the massive support outside of the city but there's a huge very local support too. I'd argue that the club just doesn't do enough to welcome asian and muslim locals. Something Yousef was trying to do when he organsied the mural near Bute Street. The club is bloody useless when it comes to trying to attract a more diverse supporter base and there are lots of local lads who would go if they felt more welcome.

Just because we're not wearing replica CCFC shirts doesn't mean we don't exist!

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Huge local support ?

Don't be daft

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Firstly that's not what I said

Secondly it's long been said that CCFC would be struggling if it wasn't for the support from the valleys , Bridgend, Barry etc

And it's been said for a long time because it's true

Cardiff based ccfc fans are either the type that know this to be true or live in denial

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Or, they may just have a different experience to you. You seem very certain of these things Sludge, I'm not sure why?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

BTW, I was agreeing with you!

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If you are agreeing with him then I am afraid you are wrong

If we had huge support then we wouldn't be getting the crowds we do

Nottingham Forest
Derby
Portsmouth

Big local support

Not Cardiff City I am afraid

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Huge local support ?

Don't be daft

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I, know, I'm an idiot, oh wise one. It's not like I live within spitting distance of the ground or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Exactly.

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They don't go basically

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Exactly this. They/we don't do enough. I speak to lots of locals who would never think of going because they don't identify with the club. We have to do more because the local ethnicity even within a 2 or 3-mile radius is totally underrepresented

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That's been tried

The club simply play lip service to attracting people of all backgrounds

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Or, they may just have a different experience to you. You seem very certain of these things Sludge, I'm not sure why?

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Look at our attendances

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I, know, I'm an idiot, oh wise one. It's not like I live within spitting distance of the ground or anything like that.

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It's a shame that the inner city areas of Cardiff and the rest of the city are not as loyal as you

But if CCFC had a strong local following and was an identity like some other clubs are to their area then things might be different

But they are not

People said when we got back in the championship we have big gates

Well we have had better gates since coming back up but our support is disappointing both within Cardiff and given our huge catchment area

If our local support was better then given the size of Cardiff we would have better gates

It's just the way it is

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The club are not going to do that , it's far too simple

One thing that surprised me was that something like 75 percent on man United season ticket holders came from greater Manchester according to their database ?

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Not that surprising.

People still have to commute to games and you'd have to say that is more likely to happen with people living closer.

25 percent of ST traveling from all over the country is still some number.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Not that surprising.

People still have to commute to games and you'd have to say that is more likely to happen with people living closer.

25 percent of ST traveling from all over the country is still some number.

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Back in the late 90's when I was living and working in London, I used to go to Highbury with a mate, and the 5 mile ST catchment at the time was something crazy like over 80%. It was a very local club.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Look at our attendances

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Despite a dreadful season we have the 9th highest average attendance in the league.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's a shame that the inner city areas of Cardiff and the rest of the city are not as loyal as you

But if CCFC had a strong local following and was an identity like some other clubs are to their area then things might be different

But they are not

People said when we got back in the championship we have big gates

Well we have had better gates since coming back up but our support is disappointing both within Cardiff and given our huge catchment area

If our local support was better then given the size of Cardiff we would have better gates

It's just the way it is

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We need to play attractive football first and foremost. We blew two chances in the PL. Gates won't be a problem then. When we were playing Leeds and Villa in the championship back in '17 there were crowds of almost 30K. A hell of a lot of local and Cardiff supporters too. We've always agreed that the club doesn't do enough to attract diversity though. That's where we could increase support by thousands within 2 or 3 miles of the club. I don't know why we haven't got our act togetehr by now.

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Originally Posted by City123

Despite a dreadful season we have the 9th highest average attendance in the league.

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That's pretty impressive considering the Covid factor. We also have great away support too.