Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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05-01-22, 14:31
goats

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course kier starmer would think that.

:shrug:

Another Tory in disguise eh? Who would get fooled again?
05-01-22, 15:07
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've mixed feelings on Tony Blair. The Iraq war of course completely muddies the water on what was otherwise a pretty successful period for him as Prime Minister.

To be elected three times is no mean feat, and governing for ten years means he has had a hugely significant role in the life of the country and it's people.

I don't think being a controversial figure should bar someone from being knighted tbh. We don't really want to live in such an anodyne world do we? By definition, nearly all figures will be controversial or have some enemies.

I'm okay with it. But more than anything, does it matter that much? I'm not opposed to the honours system, but I don't pay great attention to it either.

Didn't you say that you were once a member of the respect party, or that you supported them? Apologies if I have that wrong
05-01-22, 15:26
JamesWales

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Didn't you say that you were once a member of the respect party, or that you supported them? Apologies if I have that wrong

I was. When they were formed in 2004 I was a member for a year. Was one of (checks wikipedia) 386 people who voted for Raja Gul-Raiz in Cardiff Central in 2005.

I marched three times against the Iraq War - twice in Cardiff and once at that massive march in London, so back then I hated Blair, viewed him as destroying Labour and all that.

In time, I recognise he saved Labour, and irrespective of all the usual pro's and con's of office he was a competent PM. But yeah, Iraq is the big shadow. Nonetheless, someone of his statue being knighted - I think that's fine.
05-01-22, 15:35
DubaiDai

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Totally disagree, just because someone was PM shouldn't automatically qualify for a gong in my opinion. Also Tony leaves a very tortuous legacy for many. Yes this sounds like the elite looking after their own yet again.

I believe this appointment was direct from the Queen, not through normal political channels
05-01-22, 15:47
az city

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

Does any other regime have a system of "honours" involving the granting of titles on Earth like the UK?
05-01-22, 15:51
Rjk

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Originally Posted by splott parker

The founder of the party.

I am aware
05-01-22, 15:53
Citizen's Nephew

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I was. When they were formed in 2004 I was a member for a year. Was one of (checks wikipedia) 386 people who voted for Raja Gul-Raiz in Cardiff Central in 2005.

I marched three times against the Iraq War - twice in Cardiff and once at that massive march in London, so back then I hated Blair, viewed him as destroying Labour and all that.

In time, I recognise he saved Labour, and irrespective of all the usual pro's and con's of office he was a competent PM. But yeah, Iraq is the big shadow. Nonetheless, someone of his statue being knighted - I think that's fine.

Nah! He’s still destroying labour just by proxy. His Dark Lord is the sidekick of his disciple Starmer. Let’s not gloss over the fact that Liz has just knighted a war criminal and murderer.
05-01-22, 15:55
Dorcus

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by DubaiDai

I believe this appointment was direct from the Queen, not through normal political channels

That makes it even worse in my opinion
05-01-22, 16:30
Alan Lung

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Originally Posted by DubaiDai

I believe this appointment was direct from the Queen, not through normal political channels

She needs executing, the stupid old bint.
05-01-22, 18:32
splott parker

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Kier Labour?

No, silly, Billy Hardy
05-01-22, 18:55
life on mars

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Blairism is slowly as its the only way to get Labour relected .

There's a few old Blairite's in the article below :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-inner-circle

Perhaps his knighthood is recognition of his political vision 🤔
05-01-22, 19:19
Citizen's Nephew

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Blairism is slowly as its the only way to get Labour relected .

There's a few old Blairite's in the article below :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-inner-circle

Perhaps his knighthood is recognition of his political vision 🤔

Starmer et al will now take the socialism out of Labour completely. This leaves the UK with nothing but the devolved governments to lead the way and distance themselves even further from Westminster. Labour = Tory = Rejection of true Democracy and maintaining the status quo. I truly despise them all now.
05-01-22, 19:55
Citizen's Nephew

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by splott parker

No, silly, Billy Hardy

On a serious note, Hardie started work at the age of 7 and was down the pit at 10. I've never shaken Starmer by the hand, but something tells me they'll be very soft and well-manicured.
05-01-22, 20:00
Tuerto

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Starmer et al will now take the socialism out of Labour completely. This leaves the UK with nothing but the devolved governments to lead the way and distance themselves even further from Westminster. Labour = Tory = Rejection of true Democracy and maintaining the status quo. I truly despise them all now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA96Z-jD8M
05-01-22, 20:00
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA96Z-jD8M

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05-01-22, 20:04
Citizen's Nephew

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA96Z-jD8M

That's cheered me up to be fair and it's been a sh*t day! :hehe::thumbup:
07-01-22, 13:44
life on mars

Re: Sir Kier Says Letting Tony Be A Sir is correct

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Starmer et al will now take the socialism out of Labour completely. This leaves the UK with nothing but the devolved governments to lead the way and distance themselves even further from Westminster. Labour = Tory = Rejection of true Democracy and maintaining the status quo. I truly despise them all now.

I think Labour Wales will split form Labour and then the voting in Wales will be of interest as not everybody agrees with Drakeford's left version than the centralist one I'm sure is coming via Sir Kier .

As the appeal of a centralist Labour party chips away at the Tories that centralist momentum ( excuse the pun ) will gather pace i'd not be shocked to see the re entry of those who fled to the Liberal party to return the fold or form a Lib /Lab agreement to defeat Boris ??

However will the Corbynites remain silent ???
07-01-22, 13:45
life on mars

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

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Love Mr Lee , sadly BBC doesn't

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