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It's an interesting speech, some very good points made. I wonder how serious Putin was about trying to joint Nato mind. The version given by an ex nato sec gen was that Russia expected to be invited, rather than applying.
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stan butler
Putin with a bomber jacket on :hehe:
He's an interesting character with an even more interesting backstory.
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life on mars
I get sense of Russian love in hear maybe I'm wrong??
Let's remember Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear weapons and now it's people live in terror and are not allowed to join any organisation because uncle Puchface says so . FFS
The fact that things are raw now with Ukraine and this is filmed in 2016/17 makes it look more one sided than it probably is
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Wales-Bales
That's how it appears at first glance, but there are some nuances in play. The west know his trigger points, and could be taking advantage of his self-declared line in the sand. There is also his cosy 30 year relationship with the WEF. I think we have to wait and see how it plays out, because all we have at the moment are competing narratives.
GW Bush's attempts to expand NATO could be seen as irksome. But hardly threatening to Russia. The perceived threat to authoritarianism is the demonstration that democracy works and makes people happier. I can see no plausible narrative that vindicates Putin's actions.
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Wales-Bales
He won't be invited back to a news studio in a hurry.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden made another howler in his State of the Union address yesterday.
Biden: "Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the 'Iranian' people." https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1498846893555818503
He makes so many gaffes there's loads of speculation he performs his morning bowel movements while still in bed.
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Organ Morgan.
He won't be invited back to a news studio in a hurry.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden made another howler in his State of the Union address yesterday.
Biden: "Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the 'Iranian' people."
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1498846893555818503
He makes so many gaffes there's loads of speculation he performs his morning bowel movements while still in bed.
His speech got a 78% approval rating in polls.
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NYCBlue
His speech got a 78% approval rating in polls.
78% of what?
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NYCBlue
His speech got a 78% approval rating in polls.
I think he's right; there's no love lost between Iran and Russia 😂
Sorry NYC, that was meant for Organ
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Organ Morgan.
He won't be invited back to a news studio in a hurry.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden made another howler in his State of the Union address yesterday.
Biden: "Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the 'Iranian' people."
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1498846893555818503
He makes so many gaffes there's loads of speculation he performs his morning bowel movements while still in bed.
he also says Ukrainian people several times in the same speech, he just misspoke, not like he's the first US president to have done that in recent memory
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Rjk
he also says Ukrainian people several times in the same speech, he just misspoke, not like he's the first US president to have done that in recent memory
Like Johnson for example who has misspoken countless times recently by saying he DIDN'T attend any parties. See, everyone does it.
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Dorcus
Like Johnson for example who has misspoken countless times recently by saying he DIDN'T attend any parties. See, everyone does it.
:hehe:
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Listening to a Portuguese MEP and he felt that Europe and in particular Germany has let the Ukraine down badly and their is a lot of hidden guilt about , he felt mediation via china might be the answer but held out not much hope .
He felt after 2014 something should have been done but it suited Europe to have Ukraine as a buffer border .
NATO is the same always been cautious about butting up to the Russian border .
Someone has blood on their hands thought years of apathy or for selfish reasons i.e. Gas ??
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Wales-Bales
78% of what?
a 100%?
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Organ Morgan.
He won't be invited back to a news studio in a hurry.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden made another howler in his State of the Union address yesterday.
Biden: "Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the 'Iranian' people."
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1498846893555818503
He makes so many gaffes there's loads of speculation he performs his morning bowel movements while still in bed.
Dear lord
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NYCBlue
His speech got a 78% approval rating in polls.
Did they have the sound on ?
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life on mars
Dear lord
Here's two more of Biden's teleprompter reading blunders since last November.
Biden reads the instructions while paying tribute: "And then the message said... end of message." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXP5IHSB9ec
President Biden makes hilarious teleprompter gaffe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GGuyk8xyiI
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OurManFlint II
a 100%?
Do you have the viewing data?
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Wales-Bales
Do you have the viewing data?
Suspect these may have voted :
https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+...0eoIw&sa=X&ved
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Love the idea that the odd mispronounced word makes Biden a vegetable.
It's easy enough to use the wrong words when chatting to mates, with the pressure of making a speech to millions It's a wonder they don't stumble more often.
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Wales-Bales
78% of what?
Rabbits.
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life on mars
Did they have the sound on ?
I would imagine. They probably watched the whole 62 minutes too.
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Organ Morgan.
Political Point Scoring during this time is horrible.
I thought it was bad during CovId and now the Ante and the Stakes are higher.
Please please please keep your personal politics out of the discussion.
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Wash DC Blue
Political Point Scoring during this time is horrible.
I thought it was bad during CovId and now the Ante and the Stakes are higher.
Please please please keep your personal politics out of the discussion.
Nowt political. Those stupid errors are indicitive of waning mental faculties. Senile decay is common among those his age. The "end of message" one, said with conviction too, was so abject I initially thought the video must be a dubbed fake. It isn't.
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Organ Morgan.
The "end of message" one, said with conviction too, was so abject I initially thought the video must be a dubbed fake. It isn't.
to be fair your track record with gauging the veracity of sources isn't the best
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Organ Morgan.
Nowt political. Those stupid errors are indicitive of waning mental faculties. Senile decay is common among those his age. The "end of message" one, said with conviction too, was so abject I initially thought the video must be a dubbed fake. It isn't.
As long as he doesn't have his finger on the nuclear button everything is ok ...
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Organ Morgan.
Nowt political. Those stupid errors are indicitive of waning mental faculties. Senile decay is common among those his age. The "end of message" one, said with conviction too, was so abject I initially thought the video must be a dubbed fake. It isn't.
Seriously ? Mispronouncing the odd word is indicative of mental decay?. Fack me , it's something everybody does regularly
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Organ Morgan.
Nowt political. Those stupid errors are indicitive of waning mental faculties. Senile decay is common among those his age. The "end of message" one, said with conviction too, was so abject I initially thought the video must be a dubbed fake. It isn't.
The only thing progressive is his dementia.
I'd say people that age its even questionable whether they should vote, let alone run a country :hehe:
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OurManFlint II
The only thing progressive is his dementia.
I'd say people that age its even questionable whether they should vote, let alone run a country :hehe:
Trump is only a couple of years younger! Mind you, that poor soul appears to have been demented from birth.
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chrisp_1927
Seriously ? Mispronouncing the odd word is indicative of mental decay?. Fack me , it's something everybody does regularly
I miss pronounce things all the time, and im in my mid forties!! :hehe:
although I did call my current wife by my ex wifes name a couple of weeks ago, that aged me to around Bidens age anyway after the bollocking i had...:hehe::getscoat:
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OurManFlint II
The only thing progressive is his dementia.
I'd say people that age its even questionable whether they should vote, let alone run a country :hehe:
Neither Biden nor Trump are in the same category as Ronald Reagan. He had lost it for most of his second term:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ro...imers-disease/
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the other bob wilson
And for all the conspiracy theorist stuff from those who think they’re cleverer than the rest of us, this is the one thing more than anything else which should never be forgotten - Putin is a psychopath.
Agreed psychopath he is, I don't get why people have to go against logic with all of these conspiracy theories and try polarise every event. Brexit is understandable but Antivax and Anti-west/pro Russian it seems people are looking for arguments?
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Wales-Bales
78% of what?
14 million
where were the rest of the 81 million :hehe:
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an audience of 38 million watched ........
where were the rest of the 81 million :hehe:[/QUOTE]
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MOZZER2
an audience of 38 million watched ........
where were the rest of the 81 million :hehe:
So 22% of the really hardcore Biden voters weren't impressed? :biggrin:
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OurManFlint II
The only thing progressive is his dementia.
I'd say people that age its even questionable whether they should vote, let alone run a country :hehe:
https://youtu.be/RHNflREF-sQ
