The Green Revolution, energy prices and the War

Petrol price per litre now is slightly more than the price I was paying when I passed my driving test - per gallon!

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Does seem to me that someone in the UK fuel supply is making the most of this. Here in Poland fuel costs have increased by about 10% but diesel is still only roughly £1 a litre.

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Spoke too soon, it’s gone up 30% today. Now approximately £1.30 a litre

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Spoke too soon, it’s gone up 30% today. Now approximately £1.30 a litre

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Hmmm, may drive over and save some money:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Hmmm, may drive over and save some money:thumbup:

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My grandad used to do that, drive 10 miles to a different town cos the petrol was a (old) penny cheaper. Ford Zephyr, men have front sear, column shift, powder blue.

We all can make difference in our own way, we don't need heating on all the time , we could turn off street lighting / quiet road traffic lights, business premises lighting or half it all , impose a self disciplined 20mph/ 50mph driving on 30 or 60 mph roads .

In Berlin some are taking old showers as a demonstration of support of course its small things globally its massive.

I've dragged my excessive gas costs down from £3 a daytime £1.50 by turning off uneated rads and down to gas mark instead of 3 take quick showers instead of baths .

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

My grandad used to do that, drive 10 miles to a different town cos the petrol was a (old) penny cheaper. Ford Zephyr, men have front sear, column shift, powder blue.

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Isnt the impact of transportation of fuel a big cost issue to us? As we import diesel import fuel from abroad and as an island its costly and , you also have drivers wages being lower in some countries to ours which forces retailers to pass on to customers.

Think I saw the the average EU litre is £1.47 , I've seen 1.59 a litre in UK.

Germany maybe nearer £1.90 all very complex and hard to compare commodity prices between countries ??

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Originally Posted by Doucas

I don't understand how we ended up in this situation, nuclear power gives us the energy we need and is climate friendly. We should have been building them over the past 30 years. Typical of neoliberalists though to never think long term.

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It is starting to look like Nuclear Power Stations and Renewable energy will get a massive boost from this War/Invasion. Short term Boris is off to the Saudis, but long term this will have brought renewable energy forward, most people will now probably see a need for it?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

It is starting to look like Nuclear Power Stations and Renewable energy will get a massive boost from this War/Invasion. Short term Boris is off to the Saudis, but long term this will have brought renewable energy forward, most people will now probably see a need for it?

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Is it every problem needs a solution, or every solution needs a problem?

Russia's War in Ukraine May 'Fundamentally Alter' Global Economic, Political Order - IMF

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia's invasion of Ukraine will affect the entire global economy by slowing growth and jacking up inflation, and could fundamentally reshape the global economic order in the longer term, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Tuesday.

Beyond the human suffering and historic refugee flows, the war is boosting prices for food and energy, fuelling inflation and eroding the value of incomes, while disrupting trade, supply chains and remittances in countries neighbouring Ukraine, the IMF said in a post on its website.

https://money.usnews.com/investing/n...ical-order-imf

In the face of the emerging global energy crisis triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the IEA’s 10-Point Plan to Cut Oil Use proposes 10 actions that can be taken to reduce oil demand with immediate impact – and provides recommendations for how those actions can help pave the way to putting oil demand onto a more sustainable path in the longer term.

https://www.iea.org/reports/a-10-poi...to-cut-oil-use

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Originally Posted by Doucas

I don't understand how we ended up in this situation, nuclear power gives us the energy we need and is climate friendly. We should have been building them over the past 30 years. Typical of neoliberalists though to never think long term.

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They are finally onto it?

It took them long enough !!!

Is anyone starting to think the World situation with fuel and air travel is connected to the push for the green revolution ?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Is anyone starting to think the World situation with fuel and air travel is connected to the push for the green revolution ?

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No

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

My grandad used to do that, drive 10 miles to a different town cos the petrol was a (old) penny cheaper. Ford Zephyr, men have front sear, column shift, powder blue.

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Saw two late 70's Porsche 911s driving along the Taff Embankment on Monday clearly part of a classic car meet. The cost to maintain and run these cars now must be off the scale.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Saw two late 70's Porsche 911s driving along the Taff Embankment on Monday clearly part of a classic car meet. The cost to maintain and run these cars now must be off the scale.

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good ..should be on the scrap heap years ago

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Originally Posted by nomad blue

No

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Me either. I think it started as a result of nations emerging from lockdowns, a lack of reserves and has been made worse by the attack on Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

Me either. I think it started as a result of nations emerging from lockdowns, a lack of reserves and has been made worse by the attack on Ukraine.

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Yes all true, and I'm no consparacy theorist, but will the World Leaders do whatever it can to resolve it and push down the price of fuel as low as possible as quickly as possible.

Maybe now they think along the lines of, well this will push things along nicely we can advance the need for nuclear power stations, electric cars, offshore wind farms with less objections, and start to accelerate the reduction in emissisions?

I think things are playing out very nicely for their agenda, i'm not strongly against it, I just find it very convenient.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

We all can make difference in our own way, we don't need heating on all the time , we could turn off street lighting / quiet road traffic lights, business premises lighting or half it all , impose a self disciplined 20mph/ 50mph driving on 30 or 60 mph roads .

In Berlin some are taking old showers as a demonstration of support of course its small things globally its massive.

I've dragged my excessive gas costs down from £3 a daytime £1.50 by turning off uneated rads and down to gas mark instead of 3 take quick showers instead of baths .

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Reminds me Pontins in Rhyl