Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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life on mars
Of course it is ??
I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .
Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????
Of course you hide the fact - by not referencing your cut and paste jobs in the first place :facepalm:
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Of course it is ??
I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .
Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????
So the article you selectively copied and pasted from that TBG helpfully posted using Transport Intelligence's figures the UK accounts for 25% of the overall lorry driver shortage across Europe. Yet the UK accounts for around 13% of the overall population of the EU/UK combined and even less if countries such as Norway who were part of your selective quote are included.
If you had quoted the article rather than cut bits out then others could have noted the conclusions from the body that produced the figures:
Logistics analysts Transport Intelligence told i: “The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.”
You may wish to note that its conclusions differ from yours that the particular UK shortage has nothing to do with Brexit, but bloody experts, what do they know?
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Taunton Blue Genie
Of course you hide the fact - by not referencing your cut and paste jobs in the first place :facepalm:
Well why do you need to point it out if you know that it a fact .
Any comment on HGV European crisis :facepalm:
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
So the article you selectively copied and pasted from that TBG helpfully posted using Transport Intelligence's figures the UK accounts for 25% of the overall lorry driver shortage across Europe. Yet the UK accounts for around 13% of the overall population of the EU/UK combined and even less if countries such as Norway who were part of your selective quote are included.
If you had quoted the article rather than cut bits out then others could have noted the conclusions from the body that produced the figures:
Logistics analysts Transport Intelligence told i: “The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.”
You may wish to note that its conclusions differ from yours that the particular UK shortage has nothing to do with Brexit, but bloody experts, what do they know?
Any view on low wage European drivers depressing HGV drivers for so long which is another view from another media outlet or is that made up ?
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Any view on low wage European drivers depressing HGV drivers for so long which is another view from another media outlet or is that made up ?
It's not European drivers depressing wages, it's greedy companies lowering wages not just for HGV drivers but in basically every industry. I repeatedy get told by tories that billionaires are good for the country, how? Are wages improving? No. Are public services improving? No. Is debt improving? No.
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Doucas
It's not European drivers depressing wages, it's greedy companies lowering wages not just for HGV drivers but in basically every industry. I repeatedy get told by tories that billionaires are good for the country, how? Are wages improving? No. Are public services improving? No. Is debt improving? No.
Thought it was Brexit ?????
Tories are not in charge in Europe ??
The same depressing of wages exists In Europe ??
Sir don't worry Sir Kier will sort this and get job and wages sorted ??
There is a global inflation crisis ??
Economy /jobs every where under threat
$9 Trillion Global Fiscal Support
100 billion fund to rebuild Ukraine
Billions sent to arm Ukraine ?
How do you pay for the biggest spend social support since WW2 on covid which is running at £315 to £410 billion.
Fuel crisis
Who pays these massive costs .
Hopefully you can agree a lot of these events are not Tory driven and are unprecedented in our times since WW2 , and it cant be easy to plan for the future wherever you sit on the politcial spectrum and its very easy to say, oh that shit , your useless , scum , without coming up with your own constructive new ideas to move the country forward .
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Any view on low wage European drivers depressing HGV drivers for so long which is another view from another media outlet or is that made up ?
People with views across the political spectrum in this thread emphasise that attributing source material is important. Particularly if you are presenting it as your own. and especially as in the case with the I article. if you are selectively quoting the bits that support whatever point you are seeking to make and suppressing the bits you don't like.
So to initially answer your question. I have no idea if another view from another media outlet is made up or not as. apart from you perhaps selectively quoting bits of it, we have no way of telling. Perhaps you have been seduced by the gifted and talented gang you look up to who when challenged say, it's all there in the internet thingy, you just need to know where to look?
It might help you understand why sourcing material is important but then again nothing most people have said so far seems to have moved your dial!
Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
People with views across the political spectrum in this thread emphasise that attributing source material is important. Particularly if you are presenting it as your own. and especially as in the case with the I article. if you are selectively quoting the bits that support whatever point you are seeking to make and suppressing the bits you don't like.
So to initially answer your question. I have no idea if another view from another media outlet is made up or not as. apart from you perhaps selectively quoting bits of it, we have no way of telling. Perhaps you have been seduced by the gifted and talented gang you look up to who when challenged say, it's all there in the internet thingy, you just need to know where to look?
It might help you understand why sourcing material is important but then again nothing most people have said so far seems to have moved your dial!
Without saying too much the industry I work that is being badly hit by these backlogs and local bus companies cannot run full and late night bus services , which has badly effected one of my relatives and her job ,she simply cant afford the taxi fairs between Blackwood and Caerphilly .
Below are a view video's I spotted when asked my is there such a problem .
This is the under cover story film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZ8SqKcNwk
Lorry driver view worth reading the comments of others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buR9k29KnYI
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2038767.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=dvla...hrome&ie=UTF-8
These are my views below : Whatever ones views are politically what we do know is :
The unit has thousands of employees that are local and brings wealth to the local community
Wales needs to keep the jobs ad not give government a reasons to shut them down as we have seen in other cities/jobs like Liverpool
The job loss would be far bigger that just the 6k at DVLA ,as it has support business locally probably up to 10k impact
It has seen a lot of industrial action over the years ?
No one is denying the free right to strike ( but not know, just smells of taking advantage in a key moment, whilst other suffer )
We need to get these licences out so folk can go about their business's and life after so much despair in the last two years .
