Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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NYCBlue
I had one chili dog in old town Philadephia in 1989. Never again. From the mid '80s Swansea spent 20 years being shit. We weren't too much better but we had our moments. And during that time they certainly weren't a better footballing side than us. They started playing decent football when Martinez took over. But we played some decent stuff under Dave Jones too. Also, judging by your posts over the last couple of years, you don't even like or advocate for decent football. Hence "'ave it" and "they don't like it up 'em"
:hehe: I know what you mean about the chili dog - I had one in LA I think and it was totally not what I was expecting
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I had one chili dog in old town Philadephia in 1989. Never again. From the mid '80s Swansea spent 20 years being shit. We weren't too much better but we had our moments. And during that time they certainly weren't a better footballing side than us. They started playing decent football when Martinez took over. But we played some decent stuff under Dave Jones too. Also, judging by your posts over the last couple of years, you don't even like or advocate for decent football. Hence "'ave it" and "they don't like it up 'em"
Swansea incorporated movement under Martinez, players interchanging, midfielders given freedom to join the attack, defenders stepping into midfield, all that modern nonsense. People might look at Swansea and think that they've had their day in the sun, 7 years or whatever it was in the Premier league playing good football and competing, surely that'll never return? But, the most important thing that Swansea seem to have grasped is the fact that they still concentrate on playing a style of football that will serve them well if they ever do progress and reach the Premier league again, which gives them a chance of staying in that division.
I don't know if Martin will get then there even with better players, what i am sure of is that they have a footballing philosophy, an identity, which means that the recruitment process for players and managers is much easier than it is for us. Martin may get the boot, but whoever comes in to replace him will only have to tweak things, as was the case with Potter and Cooper.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
The problem with Swansea's obsession with Cardiff City - which runs through the whole club from top to bottom - is that we will NEVER "want it more" and will rarely get the better of them.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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19bluebirds27
I think the final positions and points will be a lot closer than those 2 scores lines and performances were.
Neither of us can be happy with season as whole.
After the last game they lost we won, I'm not sure who they've got but I think the same will happen again and it will be back to two points difference and not much between us.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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North Cardiff Blue
After the last game they lost we won, I'm not sure who they've got but I think the same will happen again and it will be back to two points difference and not much between us.
They won their game in hand last night and are now 8 points in front of us.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Swansea incorporated movement under Martinez, players interchanging, midfielders given freedom to join the attack, defenders stepping into midfield, all that modern nonsense. People might look at Swansea and think that they've had their day in the sun, 7 years or whatever it was in the Premier league playing good football and competing, surely that'll never return? But, the most important thing that Swansea seem to have grasped is the fact that they still concentrate on playing a style of football that will serve them well if they ever do progress and reach the Premier league again, which gives them a chance of staying in that division.
I don't know if Martin will get then there even with better players, what i am sure of is that they have a footballing philosophy, an identity, which means that the recruitment process for players and managers is much easier than it is for us. Martin may get the boot, but whoever comes in to replace him will only have to tweak things, as was the case with Potter and Cooper.
Precisely, and in the time Swansea have been developing a philosophy and a blueprint for the club, we've been doing the same, at first team level anyway, and the result is the ritual embarrassment we tend to get whenever we play them - unfortunately, there is a "Cardiff way" and it shows no sign of disappearing.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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SLUDGE FACTORY
And in my memory always have been
However when the season finishes its likely we are going to be fairly close on points
I have absolutely no idea where I am going with this so I am going to leave it there whilst the going is good
God bless you all
They are indeed better , it demonstrates the craziness of the Championship where you can bully or strong arm your way up with something up front ( eg Warnock )
Seeking a Cardiff Way is not the answer , playing a variation of football is the answer in this unique league
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Swansea incorporated movement under Martinez, players interchanging, midfielders given freedom to join the attack, defenders stepping into midfield, all that modern nonsense. People might look at Swansea and think that they've had their day in the sun, 7 years or whatever it was in the Premier league playing good football and competing, surely that'll never return? But, the most important thing that Swansea seem to have grasped is the fact that they still concentrate on playing a style of football that will serve them well if they ever do progress and reach the Premier league again, which gives them a chance of staying in that division.
I don't know if Martin will get then there even with better players, what i am sure of is that they have a footballing philosophy, an identity, which means that the recruitment process for players and managers is much easier than it is for us. Martin may get the boot, but whoever comes in to replace him will only have to tweak things, as was the case with Potter and Cooper.
Spot on….surely it can’t be that easy to find players who can play a bit though? They usually cost money….how do they find them? They don’t seem to be bringing many through their much talked about a academy whereas we appear to be….can SM change that culture and make us play a bit more with the new young breed who can play? Or will Tan just sell the Jewell’s and we go back to being useless cloggers?
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
They are indeed better , it demonstrates the craziness of the Championship where you can bully or strong arm your way up with something up front ( eg Warnock )
Seeking a Cardiff Way is not the answer , playing a variation of football is the answer in this unique league
What does that mean? We don’t play a “variety of football”, we’re as one dimensional as Swansea’s critics say they are.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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goats
Spot on….surely it can’t be that easy to find players who can play a bit though? They usually cost money….how do they find them? They don’t seem to be bringing many through their much talked about a academy whereas we appear to be….can SM change that culture and make us play a bit more with the new young breed who can play? Or will Tan just sell the Jewell’s and we go back to being useless cloggers?
They must have some kind of system in identifying a players qualities and how that player will fit into their system. I'm certainly not blowing smoke up Swansea's arse, but they do have an ability to improve players who weren't really showing a huge amount at their previous club. Look at Martin, i don't know if he's the person to take them forward, but he has been brave this season in my opinion, when plenty of us were laughing at him and his style of play. They're not far off in my opinion. If Swansea can get a few in during the summer then i can see them challenging for the play offs next season. If they do end up sacking him, then the next bloke only has to either scale things up or down, the method is in place, minimum disruption. Not like us. We're the equivalent of a theme bar on St Marys St, happy to go with whatever is popular and easy at the time, but forced to realise soon after that their is just no depth or substance to the product and then having to refurb the premises and change the name above the door,
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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the other bob wilson
What does that mean? We don’t play a “variety of football”, we’re as one dimensional as Swansea’s critics say they are.
And our One dimensional style of play is ridiculously difficult to change. It' also lazy.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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J R Hartley
They won their game in hand last night and are now 8 points in front of us.
Yes I was surprised at that, I suppose the win was so comfortable it's given them confidence.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
goats
Spot on….surely it can’t be that easy to find players who can play a bit though? They usually cost money….how do they find them? They don’t seem to be bringing many through their much talked about a academy whereas we appear to be….can SM change that culture and make us play a bit more with the new young breed who can play? Or will Tan just sell the Jewell’s and we go back to being useless cloggers?
They've picked more good managers than bad, Martinez, Souza (sorted the defence), Rodgers, Laudrup, then a few duffers and they went down and got worse, then Potter and Cooper is looking like a good choice.
The recruitment has also been good and they've signed and loaned more good players than bad.
I think the best manager you can get is the key, use a large percentage of your budget on getting the best or develop system to find the best up and coming manager.
We should be scouting for a replacement now whether it's this season or next we should never stop looking, succession planning not panic appointments.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
They've picked more good managers than bad, Martinez, Souza (sorted the defence), Rodgers, Laudrup, then a few duffers and they went down and got worse, then Potter and Cooper is looking like a good choice.
The recruitment has also been good and they've signed and loaned more good players than bad.
I think the best manager you can get is the key, use a large percentage of your budget on getting the best or develop system to find the best up and coming manager.
We should be scouting for a replacement now whether it's this season or next we should never stop looking, succession planning not panic appointments.
Well said, I wonder who the last managerial appointment was at City where how much they were costing us wasn’t a primary motivation behind the decision? Ole probably, maybe they were put off by what happened with him?
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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the other bob wilson
Well said, I wonder who the last managerial appointment was at City where how much they were costing us wasn’t a primary motivation behind the decision? Ole probably, maybe they were put off by what happened with him?
Yes he probably was, I just think it's probably lack of direction, we seem to be constantly reacting rather than planning?
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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North Cardiff Blue
Yes he probably was, I just think it's probably lack of direction, we seem to be constantly reacting rather than planning?
Exactly, you can see that, why can't the club? Every manager we have had since Trollope (and he was never going to be correct choice) has been a reaction. Each one of them with differing degrees of steamroller tactics that are employed based on the fact that it ignores the details, the nuances, patience involved in building something sustainable. Fingers crossed short termism that has us bringing the bulldozers in every 18 months. I have to be honest, i am sick of it.
I have no problem with us losing games and not challenging for play offs if the performance is there, if i can see something developing which looks like it could reach fruition jn to something positive and something that can be improved or changed without a great deal of disruption every 18 months, that shows progress, however small that progress is.
I've had it with Steve Morison's basic football which in fairness will hoodwink our fans into thinking it's progressive, we've been starved so badly of creativity for o long and a will to set up and play from the start that shows that we want to win the game, not just react to the opposition. The bar i so low within our fanbase that it's utterly depressing on times when we crow from the highest rooftop over a goal that saw three passes or a good bit of individual skill. It's boring and predictable in my opinion.
Re: Swansea are a better footballing side than us
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Tuerto
Exactly, you can see that, why can't the club? Every manager we have had since Trollope (and he was never going to be correct choice) has been a reaction. Each one of them with differing degrees of steamroller tactics that are employed based on the fact that it ignores the details, the nuances, patience involved in building something sustainable. Fingers crossed short termism that has us bringing the bulldozers in every 18 months. I have to be honest, i am sick of it.
I have no problem with us losing games and not challenging for play offs if the performance is there, if i can see something developing which looks like it could reach fruition jn to something positive and something that can be improved or changed without a great deal of disruption every 18 months, that shows progress, however small that progress is.
I've had it with Steve Morison's basic football which in fairness will hoodwink our fans into thinking it's progressive, we've been starved so badly of creativity for o long and a will to set up and play from the start that shows that we want to win the game, not just react to the opposition. The bar i so low within our fanbase that it's utterly depressing on times when we crow from the highest rooftop over a goal that saw three passes or a good bit of individual skill. It's boring and predictable in my opinion.
:thumbup: Football is and can be so much better than the crap we’ve had to watch for around a decade.
