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Very well put, TOBW. Many people may have thought that they themselves may have survived Covid OK (which may not have necessarily have been the case) but considered the possibility that they could pass on the virus to someone older and have been effectively responsible for someone else's demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If your M.P. is a Tory then I suggest you write to him/her asap to ask them to stand up and be counted as one of the 54 required to trigger the vote of no confidence in the P.M. In my case I will be doing that tomorrow morning. If you or Joe Public don't bother then they can justifiably claim that there is no appetite amongst their constituents for such action.
I did once read somewhere that if M.P.'s receive more than a certain number of letters/emails on a single subject then that means that there are probably a whole lot more people out there who feel the same way. Typically I can't find any reference to that now but IIRC it was a relative small number.
No one else is asking the questions, because frankly they are stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Number 10 was by far the biggest concentration of fines. Why weren't scientists, virologists, healthcare workers, etc all partying hard? Surely they "understand the risks" more than politicians, civil servants and admin?
Meanwhile, the medical 'guru' who promulgated strict lockdown policies and hectored the government and the public non-stop for two years got away scot free after his lockdown-breaking shagging visits demonstrated the ultimate hypocrisy.
I'm no fan of BJ, but some of those lockdown rules were absolute ludicrous, and more fool the public for slavishly following them to the letter.
If you mean Neil Ferguson - he resigned from his government role for undermining the lockdown rules, which is what people are wanting Boris Johnson to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Saying that he got off "scot free" is incorrect.
You can treat the UKs death toll in relation to lockdowns in two ways. First, you could look at 180,000 deaths when I can remember predictions of 20,000 dead when the pandemic started and say that lockdowns were clearly a waste of time, but I tend to favour the view that asks if 180,000 have died with lockdowns, how many more would have without them?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I was in Llandaff Fields walking [within 5 linear miles of my home] with my wife. We bumped into a friend and stood yards apart. A van marked 'HM Coastguard' came down the path, stopped, and bawled out instructions to 'disperse immediately' through a megaphone. A couple forced by hospital staff to watch their 13yr old son die [not COVID[ as they watched behind a screen wearing hazmat suits. People afraid to visit a dying relative in case they're accused of law-breaking by the tens of thousands of do-good snoopers ready to shout 'it's the law !!!'. These examples can be multiplied 1000's of times over the last 2 yrs, yet I doubt anyone was put in any extra danger if they had been ignored. I cut the top of my finger a year ago and had to go to A&E. I was the only 1 there. Last week I took someone to the A&E - there must have been 70 - some had been there for 2 nights. People who had serious conditions the last 2.5yrs have been virtually written off. Of course there had to be guidance in place for the vulnerable, but the negative effects of 'lockdowns' will be felt for years by many.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
He remained with SAGE, and he was still on the TV [BBC] what seemed like every effing day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
Boris Johnson would still be an MP and could be on TV [GB News] every effing day if he resigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
He should still resign though - just as Neil Ferguson did.
He should have resigned, this is true. But he won't now and it does seem that the worst of partygate is behind him nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
Starmer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
As Will the negative effects of 180,000 deaths. You can say that you doubt if anyone would have been put in any extra danger if the rules had been ignored - 180,000 died with a population that overwhelmingly obeyed the rules which it’s become fashionable to write off as madness by libertarians (people who only think of themselves) these days, but what I doubt is if the figure would have been that low (!!!) if the population at large behaved like many of those in 10 Downing Street did.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I was going to say unbelievable, but, given who’s behind it, highly predictable is more appropriate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-over-breaches
Find it depressing that this has not had a single reaction on here overnight - this speech gets more relevant by the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.stylist.co.uk/news/mhair...fascism/662382
Looks like the democratic process we thought we had is slowly being eroded is t it. What do you think of the WHO treaty has recently been signed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Changes are happening quickly.
I see Claudia Webb is still an M.P despite her criminal conviction and still earning £84k (plus expenses)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-61591802
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...BrMG7p76Gp6pCg
Don’t know much about and aren’t really interested in the WHO proposals that have got the right so agitated, but I’ve just read up on it and found thisQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus...icle_id=771721
That’s whataboutery on a Life on Mars scale and it won’t work on me as I would never vote for her whether she was reinstated by Labour or not. Similarly, if Starmer was found guilty and then, rather than resign as promised, tried to do a Johnson, I wouldn’t vote for him or his party.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
On the subject of fascism, this makes for interesting reading, I reckon you could make a case for saying the UK Government might qualify for all twelve categories.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/0...ns-of-fascism/
“The right” ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=TWGL1;5304986]“The right” ?[/QUOTE
Dreadful article no mention of party gate or Sir Beer Korma gate
What WHO Treaty has recently been signed? Who signed it? Which democratic bodies ratified it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Yes, it’s the libertarian right (ie people who think only of themselves) who tend to bang on about plots by the “elite”, that is people in power who don’t share their views, tell us Covid was just another version of the flu and then rail against lockdowns when it is shown to be anything but that. They also tend to put money before people as in “we can’t go into lockdown again because of the damage it does to the economy” - Johnson is supposed to have said that he was prepared to let the bodies pile high, those who were guided by the principle money before people over the past two years and more were usually sensible enough not to put it in such stark terms, but, in essence, that was what they were arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1