Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Every club has bad gates now and then
The statistics don't like
In terms of crowds and league placings we are a mid table championship side with crowds similar to Bristol City
I agree, but not relevant as we are discussing Chelsea
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Yes, they were. Very much so.
Did you know that Chelsea had an average attendance of 30,850 as far back as 1907/08?
Their rankings in terms of average attendances for some of the early years of the Football League:
1907/08 - 1st
1908/09 - 2nd
1909/10 - 2nd
1910/11 - 3rd
1911/12 - 1st
1912/13 - 1st
1913/14 - 1st
1914/15 - 3rd
1919/20 - 1st
1920/21 - 2nd
1921/22 - 1st
1922/23 - 4th
1923/24 - 1st
1924/25 - 4th
1925/26 - 1st
1926/27 - 5th
1927/28 - 3rd
1928/29 - 6th
1929/30 - 6th
1930/31 - 2nd
In 1925/26, Chelsea topped the national attendance charts despite playing in the Second Division. The only other clubs who have done that are Manchester City (1927/28), Newcastle United (1946/47 and 1947/48), Tottenham Hotspur (1949/50) and Manchester United (1974/75).
For balance, can you let us know which clubs were 1st in the seasons Chelsea were not in this pre ww2 period, just so we can see who the other big clubs are in this period.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
For balance, can you let us know which clubs were 1st in the seasons Chelsea were not in this pre ww2 period, just so we can see who the other big clubs are in this period.
Sure thing:
1908/09 - Newcastle United
1909/10 - Tottenham Hotspur
1910/11 - Manchester City
1914/15 - Manchester City
1920/21 - Newcastle United
1922/23 - Liverpool
1924/25 - Liverpool
1926/27 - Newcastle United
1927/28 - Manchester City
1928/29 - Manchester City
1929/30 - Arsenal
1930/31 - Arsenal
Arsenal were the best-supported club in the country from 1929/30 to 1937/38 inclusive before Aston Villa topped the chart in the final pre-War season (1938/39). After the War, it was Newcastle (1946/47 to 1948/49), Tottenham (1949/50 to 1951/52), Arsenal (1952/53 and 1953/54), Chelsea (1954/55), Everton (1955/56) and then Manchester United (1956/57 to 1958/59).
Since as far back as 1900, only nine clubs have ever topped the attendance charts:
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Tottenham Hotspur
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Sure thing:
1908/09 - Newcastle United
1909/10 - Tottenham Hotspur
1910/11 - Manchester City
1914/15 - Manchester City
1920/21 - Newcastle United
1922/23 - Liverpool
1924/25 - Liverpool
1926/27 - Newcastle United
1927/28 - Manchester City
1928/29 - Manchester City
1929/30 - Arsenal
1930/31 - Arsenal
Arsenal were the best-supported club in the country from 1929/30 to 1937/38 inclusive before Aston Villa topped the chart in the final pre-War season (1938/39). After the War, it was Newcastle (1946/47 to 1948/49), Tottenham (1949/50 to 1951/52), Arsenal (1952/53 and 1953/54), Chelsea (1954/55), Everton (1955/56) and then Manchester United (1956/57 to 1958/59).
Since as far back as 1900, only nine clubs have ever topped the attendance charts:
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Tottenham Hotspur
impressive stats, thanks.
Despite their history, Chelsea only have the tenth largest stadium in England at 41,631. Newcastle , Sunderland and Villa are all bigger grounds. Only West Ham aren't in your list but now have a stadium larger than Chelsea.
Chelsea are certainly in the top ten historically, but then so are Villa.
Read into that whatever you want. It not relevant to Cardiff in any way, and I'm not sure why Sludge thinks it is.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
impressive stats, thanks.
Despite their history, Chelsea only have the tenth largest stadium in England at 41,631. Newcastle , Sunderland and Villa are all bigger grounds. Only West Ham aren't in your list but now have a stadium larger than Chelsea.
Chelsea are certainly in the top ten historically, but then so are Villa.
Read into that whatever you want. It not relevant to Cardiff in any way, and I'm not sure why Sludge thinks it is.
Sigmund Freud would have had trouble working out how Sludge’s mind works.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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DryCleaning
Chelsea are certainly in the top ten historically, but then so are Villa. Read into that whatever you want.
Villa topped the attendance charts for the first time in 1898/99. They are currently ranked 8th in the Premier League averages. They've had their ups and downs, but they've always been well-supported. Back in 1971/72, they were ranked 12th in the country despite being in the old Division Three at the time.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Eric the Half a Bee
Would you really have expected a full house? Good grief.
Good good yes , all the nonsense spouted by so many of our fans and the media about us being a sleeping giant with this huge fanbase
Out first time in top two divisions for 17 years .....as we couldn't even sell 19000 tickets ?
I think it was an embarrassment
A season or two later , in the championship we had a big name manager in Dave Jones , his first game was Leeds .....15,500
We won an exciting game with a wonder goal from Jason koumas
A week later we played Watford
The crowd ? 9000
Yep , 9000 , in the championship , a week after beating Leeds
Where where all these fans ?
A very bad season and relegation and our 18000 average will plummet
You are deluded
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Villa topped the attendance charts for the first time in 1898/99. They are currently ranked 8th in the Premier League averages. They've had their ups and downs, but they've always been well-supported. Back in 1971/72, they were ranked 12th in the country despite being in the old Division Three at the time.
Villa have always been a source of wonder. They're clearly a big club, well supported and from Birmingham, so come from a very large city. Yet they don't really achieve anything success wise.
any Arab oil mogul would do worse than look at Villa.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Good good yes , all the nonsense spouted by so many of our fans and the media about us being a sleeping giant with this huge fanbase
Out first time in top two divisions for 17 years .....as we couldn't even sell 19000 tickets ?
I think it was an embarrassment
A season or two later , in the championship we had a big name manager in Dave Jones , his first game was Leeds .....15,500
We won an exciting game with a wonder goal from Jason koumas
A week later we played Watford
The crowd ? 9000
Yep , 9000 , in the championship , a week after beating Leeds
Where where all these fans ?
A very bad season and relegation and our 18000 average will plummet
You are deluded
I'm not sure of what your argument is. There aren't any of this thread that are arguing the city are a big football club. in fact, most accept that historically and at present, we're a middling 2nd tier club.
I'm pretty sure that the idea of a football super league was first mooted in the 1960s, (or maybe even 1950s) and you'd be surprised to know that the city were included in the discussions.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
Villa have always been a source of wonder. They're clearly a big club, well supported and from Birmingham, so come from a very large city. Yet they don't really achieve anything success wise.
Bit of a gap between their last two top-flight championships - 1909/10 and 1980/81.
They did win the European Cup in 1982/82, though
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
I'm not sure of what your argument is. There aren't any of this thread that are arguing the city are a big football club. in fact, most accept that historically and at present, we're a middling 2nd tier club.
Cardiff City's highest-ever ranking in the national attendance lists was fifth in 1921/22. That's as good as it ever got.
The top ten that year were:
1 - Chelsea
2 - Liverpool
3 - Tottenham
4 - Newcastle
5 - Cardiff
6 - Everton
7 - Aston Villa
8 - Manchester Utd
9 - Arsenal
10 - Sheffield Utd
From there, City's rankings were as follows:
1922/23 - 8th
1923/24 - 7th
1924/25 - 13th
1925/26 - 20th
1926/27 - 29th
1927/28 - 30th
1928/29 - 29th
1929/30 - 37th
In 1952/53, City were back in the top ten at 8th, but it didn't last. By 1956/57, the club was 30th in the rankings despite still playing in the top flight.
Here's an interesting attendance stat - in 1926/27, the season City won the FA Cup, the club was playing in the First Division but had an average attendance of just 15,424. Swansea Town were in the Second Division and were next in the national rankings with an average of 14,286. Meanwhile, Bristol City were playing in the Third Division (South), but had a higher average than both Cardiff and Swansea with a figure of 16,360.
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The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City's highest-ever ranking in the national attendance lists was fifth in 1921/22. That's as good as it ever got.
The top ten that year were:
1 - Chelsea
2 - Liverpool
3 - Tottenham
4 - Newcastle
5 - Cardiff
6 - Everton
7 - Aston Villa
8 - Manchester Utd
9 - Arsenal
10 - Sheffield Utd
From there, City's rankings were as follows:
1922/23 - 8th
1923/24 - 7th
1924/25 - 13th
1925/26 - 20th
1926/27 - 29th
1927/28 - 30th
1928/29 - 29th
1929/30 - 37th
In 1952/53, City were back in the top ten at 8th, but it didn't last. By 1956/57, the club was 30th in the rankings despite still playing in the top flight.
Here's an interesting attendance stat - in 1926/27, the season City won the FA Cup, the club was playing in the First Division but had an average attendance of just 15,424. Swansea Town were in the Second Division and were next in the national rankings with an average of 14,286. Meanwhile, Bristol City were playing in the Third Division (South), but had a higher average than both Cardiff and Swansea with a figure of 16,360.
How many have ever been in the top 5?
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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SLUDGE FACTORY
We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc
When we went down from the championship in 1986 ish it took us 17 years to get back
It's taken Sunderland 3 years and Sheff Weds won't be long coming back up
That's why they are big clubs
Pompey have been down a few years but I doubt it will take them long to get back up
Nice to see Swansea in the third tier 🥳
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Father Dougal
How many have ever been in the top 5?
Other than those already mentioned, teams who have been in the top five of the attendances table since 1920 are: Wolves, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Birmingham.
Cardiff are the odd ones out, having only been in the top five once.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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The Lone Gunman
Other than those already mentioned, teams who have been in the top five of the attendances table since 1920 are: Wolves, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Birmingham.
Cardiff are the odd ones out, having only been in the top five once.
So we are the "smallest" club who have ever been in the top 5?
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Good good yes , all the nonsense spouted by so many of our fans and the media about us being a sleeping giant with this huge fanbase
Out first time in top two divisions for 17 years .....as we couldn't even sell 19000 tickets ?
I think it was an embarrassment
A season or two later , in the championship we had a big name manager in Dave Jones , his first game was Leeds .....15,500
We won an exciting game with a wonder goal from Jason koumas
A week later we played Watford
The crowd ? 9000
Yep , 9000 , in the championship , a week after beating Leeds
Where where all these fans ?
A very bad season and relegation and our 18000 average will plummet
You are deluded
I can see that winning over fans is a slow process, especially given the dreadful crowds we had in the 80s and 90s. You expected them to return overnight. How are those mushrooms?
Leeds was always going to bring in the fans - they'd just been relegated. There was still much apathy after a poor season the year before. Game was on a Friday night. Never the best. We lost 3-1 and were dreadful.
I'd suggest studying attendances at new grounds before making your usual wayward predictions.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I can see that winning over fans is a slow process, especially given the dreadful crowds we had in the 80s and 90s. You expected them to return overnight. How are those mushrooms?
Leeds was always going to bring in the fans - they'd just been relegated. There was still much apathy after a poor season the year before. Game was on a Friday night. Never the best. We lost 3-1 and were dreadful.
I'd suggest studying attendances at new grounds before making your usual wayward predictions.
You are daft
So 6000 people vanish in a week after beating Leeds in an exciting game
Yet you say it's OK, it was a Friday night
How many excuses do you want?
Dear me
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So basically history says we are mid table 2nd tier for attendances. Which is pretty much where we are now on the pitch. So the system works?
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Father Dougal
So basically history says we are mid table 2nd tier for attendances. Which is pretty much where we are now on the pitch. So the system works?
We're higher in the table of attendances that we are in the table of average positions.
Re: Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
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Father Dougal
So we are the "smallest" club who have ever been in the top 5?
In historical terms that's unquestionably correct. Birmingham are going through a lean spell at present, but in terms of attendances they've been a bigger club than Cardiff far more often than not throughout the history of the league.
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The Lone Gunman
In historical terms that's unquestionably correct. Birmingham are going through a lean spell at present, but in terms of attendances they've been a bigger club than Cardiff far more often than not throughout the history of the league.
Yes they are in the premier in the table sludge put in the OP.
Anybody else lower than the Premier in that table ever been in the top 5? We can't be the only ones?
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Considering most of the teams with the best attendances have populations over 1 million, it is not rocket science that they are bound to have bigger crowds
