That sort of outcome would see some PMs deciding the game was up, but it could get to 179 and Johnson would stay on - my guess is about 120 will vote against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
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That sort of outcome would see some PMs deciding the game was up, but it could get to 179 and Johnson would stay on - my guess is about 120 will vote against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I reckon about 65 against.
If its 3 figures hes toast.
It'll be much more than 65 Shirley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
148 against!!!!!! Why are the daft Tory tw@ts cheering and banging their desks.
Love to see how that Dorries clown explains that she reckoned it was more or less remainers.😂😂😂😂
good callQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/sta...8ZC-FC4FA&s=19
well this is awkward
If any of Boris's supporters claim this as an endorsement of his leadership they need their head examined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Zahawi thinks it’s a handsome win. That shows what loons are running the country.
Johnson is biltong. Dead meat hanging out to dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
If the 148 vote with the opposition then this government's legislative agenda is dead in the water.
I don't think they will do that thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
This fecker lives on. Despicable, the guy is a complete kent supported by the same.
Thats the problem they are loons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Don't think that's ever going to happen as distaste for Johnson came from the spectrum of the party. What happened today is Tory MPs were given an opportunity to distance themselves from an immoral leadership., not least because decent Tory voters in their constituencies were bellowing for them to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
They decided not to do so.
Now the country has an entitled knob who is free from challenge under current Tory rules for a year, My estimation from this is that people will switch their anger from Johnson to the party he represents!
He doesn't give a monkeys.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
He's still there. Still winging it.
He will see this as a huge victory and continue lying his way to glory.
After all, what reall opposition do the tories really have?
He's turkey jerky.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
He is now seen by the public as a liar. Every time he wings it from now on reinforces that. The Tories are 6pts behind in the polls. This result will guarantee that they lose the by-elections in Wakefield and a Tory seat that had a majority of 24k in the last election. He will not lead the Tories into the next election unless they are on some kind of suicide pact. He will not be able to hide in a fridge next time and get away with iT.
I would much rather he was gone tonight but if the Tory Party wants to commit a slow hari kari then that's what their MPs have done tonight.
if they lose Tiverton he really is toastQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I'll have a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I wonder if Labour really want him gone ??
If he is as many suggest he is a political liability ,would Labour be better served with his survival??
Or come actually campaigning time does Boris come into own and that worries Labour ??
Stick or twist ...
Adolf Hitler could be in charge of the tory vermin and the combined opposition would feck it up
Labour
Liberals
SNP
Plaid
Greens
Join together ff sake or forever be in exile
Was there some reason that they couldn't wait until after the by-elections to have the vote of no confidence? He is safe now for another 12 months what ever happens so he will carry on smugly. I guess he will be hoping that memories of "Partygate" will have faded by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Will we be able to find out how individual M.P.'s voted? I know you can for routine votes on legislation issues etc but I've a feeling this is a secret ballot job.
So on a day when there is a vote of no confidence in the leader of this country and the governing party is tearing itself apart I thought I would do a wordcount on your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
1st. Labour (3)
Many commentators are saying if MPs really want to get rid of him they will; the 1922 rules could easily be amended if needed. This was a Pyrrhic victory for him and he is mortally wounded. The longer he stays in post the further the Tories distance themselves from public opinion. This was the best possible result for the anti -Tory vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
59% of the Tory MPs voted for Johnson. Public opinion on the other hand...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../06/06/3659e/1
If the Tories lose the by elections Brady will be redrafting every rule in the 1922 Committee handbook.
I just don't see Johnson having the dignity or humility to resign.
He's only safe from another confidence vote for 12 months. His closest allies will paint a picture in public of support and leadership, but in private they know in reality that he can't carry on much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I'd said 120 would vote against him after a day when my estimation of the number involved went higher and higher. There were so many pundits and political correspondents giving their opinion on the size of the revolt, but I didn't believe the one who said that the figure could be as high as between 140 and 150 which would be at the very top end of a poor outcome for the PM - in some ballots a 59/41 ballot win is "comfortable" like Johnson's allies were calling it, but the precedents in Conservative Party votes of confidence in their leader shows that this is an outcome they should be very concerned about and I'm sure they are.
Johnson has this reputation of being a great electoral campaigner who hoovers up vote for his party, but so did Tony Blair once upon a time and yet twenty years or so after the event which changed how he was viewed by the public, he is still toxic when it comes to being a vote winner. It's beginning to look as if Johnson has gone the same way - I never thought I'd ever see a Conservative PM being booed by a bunch of ardent Royalists in my life, but it happened and I think it was a very significant indicator of where the country is today.
If the King is dead then there's going to be a new leader at some point
And for those of us in the UK who don't vote conservative ......and that's the majority of the population ......who is going to kick the new blue meanie off the throne?
It's not going to be starmer and Ed davey
These Tories though are completely stupid to try and declare Johnson has actually increased in popularity from the leadership election is bonkers even by their standards.
They are relying on the hard core id vote for anyone in a blue rosette plus a significant percentage of the population being as thick as them and falling for it.
They are technically correct though. more Tories voted for Johnson last night than in the leadership contest. I don't think you can read too much into that though as this wasn't a leadership contest. Johnson is a dead man walking, and this country really needs strong leadership with a parliament behind its prime minister. The sooner he is gone the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
He is not safe for 12 months. The 1922 committee just have to change their rules and it could be less.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
He is not safe for 12 months. The 1922 committee just have to change their rules and it could be less.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
A daily Telegraph article today says
'The Committee’s executive officers are at liberty to amend the rules at any time, providing they consult the Conservative Party Board.'[
No they are not. Just because they preferred someone else at the time doesn't mean they had no confidence in him to lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
Gawd it's so depressing.
I don't care whether you're a Tory or not, but even the right learning among us must see the utter incompetence, hypocrisy, dishonesty, arrogance and thievery of this particular bunch of Tories.
I can't see ONE single competent Tory cabinet minister - convicted criminals and bullies and really, really thick.
Someone said to me today that at least he will lose the next election - that's TWO years away, the country can't withstand this level of stupidity and nonsense for another two weeks, let alone two years.
I really dislike Starmers Labour, but for feck sake man, get a coalition together and get rid of these people who are ripping the heart of the country.
Truth is there are/were some decent Tories, like Rory Stewart, and although I fundamentally disagreed with his politics, he was at least smart, intelligent, compassionate and ethical.
But if you vote / support this particular bunch - then you have some serious issues.
As someone who doesn't care for any political party, I'd still be interested in how you think this.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
I don't belong to any political party either, A Quiet Monkfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Why do I think this Tory cabinet are ripping the heart out of the country?
Whether you voted leave or remain, Johnson and his team have messed up BREXIT - we have a much worse deal that what May had negotiated and peace in NI is now on the line as the EU has implemented the agreement that was made and Westminister wither didn't realise what the deal was or negotiated in bad faith with no intention of fulfilling it. There are a ton of BREXIT related disadvantages from lack of workers, limited movement and terrible trade terms.
Ultra British nationalism resulting in increased racism and xenophobia
Levelling up - but only to Tory seats
Extreme corruption - from the 36Bn contracts for T&T to Tory donors to fast-track PPE to family and friends.
Johnson appointing family members and the son of a Russian spy into the HoL
Johnson failing to release reports that show him in a bad light - everything is redacted - from the racism report, Sue Grey report to the Russia report - he sits on things, deflects and blusters his way through
Priti Patel - found GUILTY of bullying three times (tax payers had to pay out) and still getting promoted
The Rwanda deal - just awful, appalling - I live next door to Rwanda and been many times - its a horrible regime with an appalling human right records - a record that even last year the UK government said was awful.. and now we are sending desperate people there - illegally under international law
Making noisy protests illegal... jeez.
The general lies and criminality of the PM and his cronies
I could go on and on... including 12 years of austerity which has plummeted people into poverty and increased homelessness significantly.
As much as this may seem like Tory Bashing - it's actually not... Rory Stewart, as I mentioned, would not have done any of that.
when Johnson became leader he won with 66% of the vote, which is more than the 59% of the vote that voted for him last evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I did qualify it by saying the votes were on different subject matters, and the implication was that you shouldn't really draw parallels between the two votes (as some Tories are trying to do today).
Fair enough, agree with 75% of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Worth watching this video doing the rounds:
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...adIiM-6orATjqA
People voted Tory for him :facepalm:
Rory Stewart seems like one of the more reasonable Tories, on the face of it, I'd certainly prefer him to any if the right of the party that currently hold sway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
he does come across as ethical, at least in comparison to serial liar Boris Johnson, but then you remember that he worked for years for MI6 in Afghanistan doing deals with local warlords etc