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14-07-22, 12:03
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Good luck with that ! To answer my own question, once we've reached down to the absolute smallest known/identified 'particle', it turns out it's 'energy'. And 'energy' can only really be identified by how everything else reacts. So in essence, everything is actually nothing. Energy is a 'concept'. Just that.

Thanks for explaining. I'll put down my two scientific tomes as they are obviously spinning things out to a ridiculous degree.
14-07-22, 13:48
Joe Gillis

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

There was a clue: "and it's estimated that there are trillions of galaxies in the universe."

Yeah, do we believe all that guff though?
14-07-22, 13:50
Rjk

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Joe Gillis

Yeah, do we believe all that guff though?

which guff do you believe?
14-07-22, 13:59
Dorcus

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Good luck with that ! To answer my own question, once we've reached down to the absolute smallest known/identified 'particle', it turns out it's 'energy'. And 'energy' can only really be identified by how everything else reacts. So in essence, everything is actually nothing. Energy is a 'concept'. Just that.

Maybe solipsism is the key after all.
14-07-22, 14:06
Citizen's Nephew

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Maybe solipsism is the key after all.

That’s so you that is. Always thinking about yourself!
14-07-22, 14:11
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Maybe solipsism is the key after all.

As intelligent beings, we have the choice of realising that we know very little and that it's a joy to even scratch the surface of knowledge attained courtesy of far more brilliant minds than ourselves and using incredibly sophisiticated technology (and even though we may only be able to grasp most of the concepts in part at best)
or.......
14-07-22, 14:38
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Thanks for explaining. I'll put down my two scientific tomes as they are obviously spinning things out to a ridiculous degree.

sorry for spoiling the ending[s].
14-07-22, 14:44
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Maybe solipsism is the key after all.

I admit I had to look that up, but I always consider that religion and science are the same thing, not complete opposites. We then enter into other other philosophical areas which may offer solutions that conventional science cannot.
14-07-22, 14:58
Rjk

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I admit I had to look that up, but I always consider that religion and science are the same thing, not complete opposites. We then enter into other other philosophical areas which may offer solutions that conventional science cannot.

I disagree entirely.
you see this bogus argument from religious folk nowadays trying to make some equivalence between the things science can't yet explain and the existence of a magic sky man on a cloud.
Religion and science are fundamentally opposite. religion is about blindly following the "truth" that has been handed down to you, usually by your parents at a young age, and in the face of any evidence to the contrary.
science is as changeable as religion is fixed. if new evidence emerged that blew away all of the laws of physics then the scientific consensus would change. if there was evidence that the earth was created by a deity then that would be part of science too, but there isnt
14-07-22, 15:09
Harry Paget Flashman

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I disagree entirely.
you see this bogus argument from religious folk nowadays trying to make some equivalence between the things science can't yet explain and the existence of a magic sky man on a cloud.
Religion and science are fundamentally opposite. religion is about blindly following the "truth" that has been handed down to you, usually by your parents at a young age, and in the face of any evidence to the contrary.
science is as changeable as religion is fixed. if new evidence emerged that blew away all of the laws of physics then the scientific consensus would change. if there was evidence that the earth was created by a deity then that would be part of science too, but there isnt

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...F406&FORM=VIRE
14-07-22, 15:24
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I admit I had to look that up, but I always consider that religion and science are the same thing, not complete opposites. We then enter into other other philosophical areas which may offer solutions that conventional science cannot.

Complete opposites but let's not go down the religion route as we have exhausted that subject on here.

The purpose of science is not to 'offer solutions'. It means knowledge. Science/knowledge may provide us with solutions, of course.
14-07-22, 16:32
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I disagree entirely.
you see this bogus argument from religious folk nowadays trying to make some equivalence between the things science can't yet explain and the existence of a magic sky man on a cloud.
Religion and science are fundamentally opposite. religion is about blindly following the "truth" that has been handed down to you, usually by your parents at a young age, and in the face of any evidence to the contrary.
science is as changeable as religion is fixed. if new evidence emerged that blew away all of the laws of physics then the scientific consensus would change. if there was evidence that the earth was created by a deity then that would be part of science too, but there isnt

I think you entirely missed the point I was making. I wasn't arguing the case for religion or faith. Let's put it simply. If it was proved that the earth et al was created by a deity that could be science, that could be religion, that could be philosophy - they're just tags.
14-07-22, 16:34
Rjk

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I think you entirely missed the point I was making. I wasn't arguing the case for religion or faith. Let's put it simply. If it was proved that the earth et al was created by a deity that could be science, that could be religion, that could be philosophy - they're just tags.

no, I've seen your point quite clearly, I just don't agree.
14-07-22, 17:04
Joe Gillis

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by Rjk

which guff do you believe?

I believe in the Church of Baseball. I've tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I heard that I gave Jesus a chance. But it just didn't work out between us. The Lord laid too much guilt on me.
15-07-22, 09:01
Dorcus

Re: James Webb telescope

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I admit I had to look that up, but I always consider that religion and science are the same thing, not complete opposites. We then enter into other other philosophical areas which may offer solutions that conventional science cannot.

Fair point sir 👍
15-07-22, 11:40
Undercoverinwurzelland

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There was an interesting Horizon programme about the project last night. It'll be on the BBC iPlayer I'm sure.

Very impressive for something that was clearly inspired by the Blockbusters Gold Run. https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/25...ebp&width=1200
15-07-22, 13:19
bobh

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

Some "facts" need correcting, so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IFGH11uxaI

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