Tony Paris , Cardiff 3 , Rest In Peace

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Leonne Jean?

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You might say that but I couldn't possibly comment. My question was genuine as I'm unsure because not everything you are told is correct. As the poster to which I was responding knew something of the family I thought he would know.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Could you please highlight where I said Yusef Abdulahi was no angel? On the contrary, I was implying he had sufficient alibis not to have been charged in the first place. And no, I didn't suggest that they were going to get done for something (the murder?) because they were on the wrong side of the law....." He was a victim of a huge miscarriage of justice." is what I said.

The fact that he was a bully is irrefutable. Perhaps as a Bridgend lad, you would have been unaware of this. He used to have a flat a stone's throw from the Carpenter's Arms in Rumney. I lived a 5-minute walk away from him, I'd seen first-hand accounts of his actions.

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I am confused by this and other posts in this thread . We are not talking about any of the Cardiff 5 , originally , going to prison for assault or threatening behaviour . We know that's not the way to be . We know that scaring people or robbing them in the street or stealing cars or shoplifting is not good and people need to be held responsible .

But in this case we are talking murder here , those men being framed and possibly going to prison not for 6 months but for 30 years.

I don't understand why anyone is bringing their past up . Even in court before a jury you are tried on your existing offence . We know they had a history but that really isn't relevant to them being framed , which is what this case is about .

Rest In Peace Tony Paris

CCMB kangaroo court in full effect.

Regardless of their past, getting framed for a murder you did not commit by a corrupt police force is different level to any indiscretions they may have got up to previously.

RIP Tony Paris

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Why mention it then?

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Its important for those who may not have had a great experience running into them outside of the murder .. My thoughts are with law abiding folk and victims of crime .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Its important for those who may not have had a great experience running into them outside of the murder .. My thoughts are with law abiding folk and victims of crime .

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Spot on. I agree with you 100% here

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Its important for those who may not have had a great experience running into them outside of the murder .. My thoughts are with law abiding folk and victims of crime .

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They were victims of a crime. Their past behaviour has nothing to do with what happened to them at the hands of SWP (That's not the socialist workers party, before you start getting excited) But going on your posting history, it's quite obvious that is what you're insinuating.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They were victims of a crime. Their past behaviour has nothing to do with what happened to them at the hands of SWP

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Karma maybe? Or don't you believe in it?

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Karma maybe? Or don't you believe in it?

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If 'Karma' does exist, then it was a bit disproportionate on that occasion.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Karma maybe? Or don't you believe in it?

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No karma is like religion , complete nonsense

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Its important for those who may not have had a great experience running into them outside of the murder .. My thoughts are with law abiding folk and victims of crime .

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This was the biggest miscarriage of justice in British criminal history. And the corruption trial of those coppers was also the biggest ever corruption trial .

The whole thing was a disgrace .

If you were pissed and crashed a car would u think it was fair if the police also charged you with running over and killing an old age pensioner even though that was untrue and it was just the car you damaged ?

How would you feel ?

I would be pissed off especially if I did 3 years in jail for something I didn't do