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So what is the problem then? You accept the club wouldn't assume it was faulty, and presumably you agree that the club would assume it would be flown by an experienced pilot with a license. So what exactly are you accusing the club of then? Letting him get in a little plane? Who knows what the club knew anyway, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Why is it that after all the investigations and enquiries there is still evidence that was previously unknown?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
To answer the few that asked about what the club did wrong, for me two things:-
1. We should have insisted he take a commercial flight/provided a private plane from a respectable source.
2. Dragging it through the courts as to who should pay the money is tasteless. It’s not my money, I understand that but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth for me.
That we ever allowed Sala to fly on a non commercial flight or a private flight organised by the club is beyond me and and a failing of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I suspect that somebody at the club did informally endorse the arrangements assuming them to be creditable.
I doubt the club gave any endorsement, they'd be all day signing papers, yes that Taxi is ok, yes you can use that petrol mower, yes that paddle board is OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY
They are grown men, it looks like there was no rule don't fly unless it's a commercial flight, which will now have ben changed, hopefully along with a big list of activities which are banned as could result in death or injury.
My understanding is that Sala was offered a commercial flight but it was due to return earlier than he wanted.
The club obviously wanted him here that day, ready for training the next morning.
Sala wasn't pleased with the arrangement as he wanted to spend more time in Nantes to say his goodbyes properly.
At some point one of McKay's sons has stepped in to offer him a later flight on "McKay's Dodgy Airlines Inc", which clearly appealed more to the lad in terms of timings. If only the club had been willing to allow him to skip training that once and booked him a flight for the next day...
Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
We also most certainly involved McKay senior as well. He accompanied Colin on flights to France and was also seen at CCS. They had known each other for many years, and had previously been involved as manager and agent in the deal (questioned at the time ) taking Joey Barton from Newcastle to QPR.
No problem with dealing with licenced intermediaries (as his son is) but McKay senior wasn`t, Colin knew it and so did the club directors. They therefore should have pulled out of the deal as soon as Willie got involved, especially as both the Chair and CEO said that they didn`t want to do the deal as the fee being asked for was far too high.
The club didn't have any idea how he was getting home, just that he had made his arrangements, to blame the club for Sala making a reckless decision is ludicrous, he shouldn't have got into that death trap, and Ibbotson shouldn't have even considered making the flight, he was aware the plane was dodgy and told his mate just that. Ibbotson and Henderson were irresponsible and ultimately, it’s their fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Has anyone listened to all of this, the plane wasn't fit to drive from the hanger to the runway, how an unlicensed pilot with no night-time experience would attempt to fly that rust bucket over the channel at night, in pitch black freezing conditions with a £20,000 footballer in the back is beyond belief!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d1f1pj
Son of God, aka the messiah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Too many of us on this site are, as usual, knocking the club unfairly. We are supposed to support the City through thick and thin.
You can blindly support the owners if you want, I don’t think they are above reproach because they’ve purchased OUR club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird
They have been good owners overall , yes they have made mistakes, but they have brought more success and profile (hooliganism aside) than any other owner I known since I started supporting them in 1984.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
You’re entitled to your opinion, I wish they’d never set foot in Cardiff. Will never forgive him for the rebrand, let alone the ridiculously arrogant way our club is run. People can’t mention Morisons arrogance enough but never mention Tans stubborn and arrogant attitude. The day he leaves the club I’ll have a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I’m glad they took over otherwise I think we may have been liquidated, unless you think otherwise ?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
Be careful what you wish for. We've been linked with Mike Ashley in recent years!Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I deal with facts that I know, he ruined my club with his arrogant selfish rebrand so I repeat, when he leaves I will have a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
But you know that we were being taken to court by Langston and we were unable to pay HMRC ,they are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I’d have taken whatever the outcome would have been, rather than the embarrassing shambles that followed, every day of the weekQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Well considering we averaged over 23,000 each season we were in red, then it suggests you were in a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I wasn’t speaking on behalf of anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The club would have sanctioned a Roath Park rowing boat for a 20 grand footballer.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Wake up, nothing to do with the club, it was Ibbotson and Henderson who were totally neglegent, a lifes a life £20K or £20Million, their neglegence killed a young man in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
You are entitled to your view even though it's probably a minority one. We can't keep harping on about the rebrand which is, or at least should be, a thing of the past. I struggle to see any relationship between the ownership and Sala's unfortunate and tragic death which most people will, or should see,is entirely the fault of those involved with the journey in a dodgy plane with known difficulties flown by an unqualified pilot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
And they we have it, a hatred for the owners so a bias against everything and trying to blame them for situations like this instead of Henderson, Ibbotson and to a lesser extent Sala himself for attempting that trip in a unsuitable plane with an unqualified pilot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
Or even - Wake up, nothing to do with the club, it was Ibbotson and Henderson who were totally negligent, a life’s a life £20K or £20Million, their negligence killed a young man in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
It was a jest pointing out that you were about £14980000 adrift in Sala’s valuation. I think you need to wake up and certainly leave eBay alone:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
When Tan does something good I’ll give him credit for it. I won’t hold my breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
We signed McKay's sons/grandsons, despite the fact they are appalling footballers. We do not come out of this well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird
Surely it’s about supporting the team. Cardiff City FC are a private business. When our starting 11 run out onto the park is where my support starts and ends. Otherwise I’d be supporting some pretty shady goings on which is absolutely not the case. Otherwise it’d be as daft as supporting a PS5 over an Xbox. The Board are not my friends. They don’t give a toss about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird
In your desperation to point out a typo, you attempted an unfunny joke on a Sala thread, it’s not really the place for jokes and smiley emojis.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Nobody suggests they want to be your friend, or vica versa. Just a small bit of recognition of what they've invested in time, money and commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
This is what I don't understand. When I fill up the car with peckie I really don't care about the goings on at BP, Shell or Texaco. All that matters is the fuel i buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird
I support the team and the club, and not the board.
F*cking ‘ell, get over yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
It all goes hand in hand when the Board has such a direct influence on the team and the club, especially these days..Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
The club provided a commercial plane. Not their fault the player decided not to use it. Also they had nothing to do with the plane that was used. Cardiff City have done nothing wrong. Others have. Hard to understand why some can't see that.
Agreed, hard to see how the club are at fault, any moreso than Nantes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
What is very clear however, is that blame should certainly lie with 3 people at least. McKay, Henderson and Ibbotson.
I would also want to question Warnock's involvement with McKay in the first place given that we all know McKay shouldn't have been involved in any transfer dealings at that point, and Warnock knew exactly what kind of dodgy agent he was dealing with. The whole footballing world above a certain age will be well aware of McKay's reputation...
Ibbotson is no longer here.
Henderson's 18 month sentence is pathetic given he knew that plane was in a bad condition, and he knew the "mucker" he was recruiting was not carrying current and up-to-date clearances to carry out such a flight.
As for McKay, it appears that Henderson was his contact. He is therefore directly responsible for the employment of "Shady Airlines Inc", and should surely be held accountable also?
Incredibly, both he and Warnock have scuttled away without even hardly being questioned.
The whole thing stinks really. How on earth can people like this be allowed to risk the lives of others with little to no consequence?
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Originally Posted by Ninja
I also agree that the club are not at fault.
However, we know that the transfer committee turned down Warnock's request to buy Sala and, not accepting that decision, Warnock went over the heads of Choo and Dalman to Tan and persuaded him to overrule their decision.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...alman-21950687
As a consequence of that decision events unfolded tragically. In my view the club are not culpable in any way for the subsequent flight arrangements.
Now CAS have determined that (subject to possible further appeal), contractually he was our player. So, we may have to stump up the £15m
Are we insured ? Who knows ? If not, and we have to pay the £15m who can we recover it from ? Seemingly not Nantes as he was no longer their player. Not from an undischarged bankrupt agent and I don't suppose Henderson has got £15m to spare. We may just have to find the cash increasing our indebtedness for no return. The accountants on here can, no doubt, clarify. So, could Tan's decision to back Warnock and go against the views of his Transfer Committee be the biggest "Sliding Doors" moment in the history of CCFC ?
There was a lot of shady stuff going on with that deal in my opinion.
Tan was getting fitted up by Warnock and others in the same way that he was by Malky with Cornelius.