Well, Well, Well

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

The players looked like they were trying harder, the press was miles better, and the squad looked much more together at the end of the game, I think there is a strong desire to give 100% for Hudson, that wasn't always there for Morrison. I think not trying to play it out from the back every single time, even when players were under pressure will result in less mistakes and more points. The high press with everyone working will result in more mistakes from rivals and also more points. Simple changes but they will make a big difference over a season, no one expected four oints from those two games, most expected nil.

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that often happens with a change in manager, as players are fighting to geep their place under the new guy.
it doesn't last though so we need to see what substance Hudson can bring beyond the initial bounce

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

You really have turned into Steve Morisons very own Comical Ali. :hehe:

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I don't think I've said anything too outlandish there at all, the performances are broadly similar to many games this season, on the better end of the spectrum of performances, but we've had good performances already this season, if we can get more consistency and a more regular goal threat then that will be a step forward.

you wouldn't really expect much to be fundamentally different though yet, same players, same coaches of course it is going to be similar.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

in our games last season under Morison we had a very good record of making comebacks and scoring late.

I think it's fair to say that the last 2 performances have been good, but it could easily have happened under Morison and we will never know how it would have played out.

I would be interested to know what type of players Hudson will look to bring in if he gets the chance, and how he wants us to start playing when he can really make it his team.
any improvement (if there is any) over such a short timeframe is unlikely to be something that can be maintained over a longer period - new manager bounces don't last unless there is something more fundamental behind it

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We weren't supposed to mention last season as that wasn't "this group of players" but looking back 3 goals in the last 6 games with the only win against already relegated Derby hardly boosts the miserable return of points from the opening ten games of this season

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Originally Posted by fugsyphil

We weren't supposed to mention last season as that wasn't "this group of players" but looking back 3 goals in the last 6 games with the only win against already relegated Derby hardly boosts the miserable return of points from the opening ten games of this season

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C'mon matey, by then we were safe and many of the players seemed to know they were being shown the door so downed tools anyway.

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Originally Posted by fugsyphil

We weren't supposed to mention last season as that wasn't "this group of players" but looking back 3 goals in the last 6 games with the only win against already relegated Derby hardly boosts the miserable return of points from the opening ten games of this season

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Cmon Fugsy, you know the drill by now. You can only mention last season if you’re praising Morison.

The workers looked happier and more content under a boss who gives the impression that he’s nowhere near as tetchy or moody as the previous gaffer came across as. Much the same as any industry I s’pose.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Do you think that we looked more aggressive, more intensity, more of a willingness to get to the ball before Blackburn did and more desire to win the 2nd balls? I think that we did,Bob.

I get your reservations, there was still little happening around the penalty box and the way we gave away the penalty was poor, but to me, it looked sharper. Still work to do though.

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There's more intent there under Hudson. We are going at teams. Hudson has said it on the VFTN podcast, he says you have to have a go at home. We are clearly doing that. There are definitely concerns, and I think a lot of that is personnel (we don't have a midfield capable of scoring bar Colwill, which is not ideal after he signed a new squad!).

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Originally Posted by Rjk

that often happens with a change in manager, as players are fighting to geep their place under the new guy.
it doesn't last though so we need to see what substance Hudson can bring beyond the initial bounce

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I'm not sure how true that is when the new guy has been there longer than most of the players have been!

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

As in im just taking the piss out of people who have elevated him to some god like status.

Theres a few championship jobs going, or about to be going, he shouldnt have any problem getting himself fixed up with a new club soon if hes as good a manager as some like to make out.

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When I first read your initial post ,(the rumour one) I thought you were just spinning one , however , following Tuesday’s game and what I was told , I’ll offer you an apology.


Let’s see how this plays out.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

that often happens with a change in manager, as players are fighting to geep their place under the new guy.
it doesn't last though so we need to see what substance Hudson can bring beyond the initial bounce

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True, but I also mentioned the change of tactics, high press putting opposition under presssure, and not playing the ball out from the back every single time, resulting is less pressure for us, and conceding less goals, and us getting the ball in their box quicker from the quick long kicks with the opposition having less players in there to block and defend.

I think these simple changes have already made a significant change to the overall performance and is more enjoyable to watch.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Cmon Fugsy, you know the drill by now. You can only mention last season if you’re praising Morison.

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When someone can stop this being the worst city side for the last twenty years and get us competing towards the top end of the table again I'll heap praise on them in dml type doses!!!

Could be a while though

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

True, but I also mentioned the change of tactics, high press putting opposition under presssure, and not playing the ball out from the back every single time, resulting is less pressure for us, and conceding less goals, and us getting the ball in their box quicker from the quick long kicks with the opposition having less players in there to block and defend.

I think these simple changes have already made a significant change to the overall performance and is more enjoyable to watch.

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our press has been pretty good all season, we've kept the opposition teams to very few shots all season.
happy to see us going for it a bit more at home if that continues, and not changing formation to nullify the opposition as much

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

2 games since we pulled the trigger on Pep Morison and already the lads are playing on the front foot and concentrating on our game rather than the oppositions.

Surprising what a bit confidence and belief in your own game can do for a player rather than worrying too much about the opposition.

Well done Mark Hudson 👏

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😂😂

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

When I first read your initial post ,(the rumour one) I thought you were just spinning one , however , following Tuesday’s game and what I was told , I’ll offer you an apology.


Let’s see how this plays out.

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No need to apologise :thumbup:

Thought all of the talk about a more attacking outlook under Hudson was crap when I saw our line up and approach against Burnley, but it was definitely there on Tuesday. In a way, a horses for courses approach is the best one and Burnley’s possession stats are very impressive this season, so I should really have been more understanding of what we were doing against them.

It’ll be interesting to see what our approach is tomorrow.

What I hope to see tomorrow is more of the same from this week, I don't think we need to sit back and invite pressure on us with a hope of hitting them on the counter break.
Our away form and results have been pretty crap this season, I'd like to see Hudson take the initiative and go for the win with a high press.
In reality he has nothing to lose

We looked far better pressing. Blackburn and Ayala in particular were really poor in possession at the back.

We pressed them into mistake after mistake. We are just not good enough in the final 3rd.

After the goal we stopped pressing and we looked vulnerable.

We are poor in the air in both boxes.

Our back 5 are suprisingly really comfortable playing out from the back.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

What I hope to see tomorrow is more of the same from this week, I don't think we need to sit back and invite pressure on us with a hope of hitting them on the counter break.
Our away form and results have been pretty crap this season, I'd like to see Hudson take the initiative and go for the win with a high press.
In reality he has nothing to lose

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Yeah, a bit more urgency, like in Tuesday. I do think that people need to take a step back a bit. It's obvious what Hudson is attempting to do so far, and that's to win the 2nd balls, play with more intensity, be quicker on the ball. Whether he can sustain that is another matter. We still didn't create much in the final third and we didn't defend well on the free kick that led to the penalty, but the goal was forced by us playing a high line and not letting them set themselves. Opportunities will come our way if we are prepared to play that way and take those risks.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yeah, a bit more urgency, like in Tuesday. I do think that people need to take a step back a bit. It's obvious what Hudson is attempting to do so far, and that's to win the 2nd balls, play with more intensity, be quicker on the ball. Whether he can sustain that is another matter. We still didn't create much in the final third and we didn't defend well on the free kick that led to the penalty, but the goal was forced by us playing a high line and not letting them set themselves. Opportunities will come our way if we are prepared to play that way and take those risks.

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Aside from the penalty, they barely had a sniff the other night. We are tantalisingly close to being a good side at this level. Just need to be a bit more confident in attack without losing the defensive solidity (and tightening up at free kicks at both ends of the pitch). Hopefully the attack should improve as the players get to know each other better, they will start to know where each others runs will be and be able to attack with more confidence.

Would like to see us bring in a set piece specialist as well

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Aside from the penalty, they barely had a sniff the other night. We are tantalisingly close to being a good side at this level. Just need to be a bit more confident in attack without losing the defensive solidity (and tightening up at free kicks at both ends of the pitch). Hopefully the attack should improve as the players get to know each other better, they will start to know where each others runs will be and be able to attack with more confidence.

Would like to see us bring in a set piece specialist as well

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They had arguably the best 2 chances. The one Allsop saved with his trailing leg and the one Dack mis controlled.

They also had a stonewall penalty turned down when Kipre cleaned out Gallagher and maybe another when Ng tripped the same player.

We need to start scoring. We were by far the better side but we could easily have thrown the game away

Well, well, well.

No more words needed.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Well, well, well.

No more words needed.

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:hehe: :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Well, well, well.

No more words needed.

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We going up are we?:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by goats

We going up are we?:biggrin:

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Steady on old bean.

I’m just glad to have my club back. I couldn’t get behind Morison. Horrid man.

Yep. Who'd have thunk it.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Steady on old bean.

I’m just glad to have my club back. I couldn’t get behind Morison. Horrid man.

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really? you should have said something

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Originally Posted by Rjk

really? you should have said something

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Evening, Comical :wave: