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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
It was a real world when Labour were in government and we were in the EU. But if we could have that AND Haaland up front i'd take that.
You can't criticise people for saying it's all the government's fault then when you explain why it's all the government's fault tell them they're in dreamland. The "anti-growth coalition" is simply their next pack of lies to peddle.
Unfortunately we are where we are, and the first step to getting this shit show right is getting them out of government. If you want a labour government next (which you said is what you would vote for), defending the Tories every move isn't the way to go.
It’s not defending the Tories, it’s seeking the truth, because that’s how you solve problems.
On CCMB at the moment we have threads entitled: “The Tories are utter twats” and “Rod Stewart Tory Scum arrives at conference”
Yesterday on one thread, one user in 24 hours said the following: "An absolute pig of a woman", "twisted, verminous, item of trash", "ghoulish right wing freaks", "certain individuals who disgrace the human race."
"contemptuous behaviour of a chancer appealing to the base nature of the lowest of the low."
This isn’t normal.
On most threads, there are some people who will blame every last thing on the UK government, taking no account of local governments, councils, other countries, the environment, global markets, wars, pandemics, a huge variety of economic factors. Governments are not the cause of every issue in every country and nor are they the fixers of them. Some, yes. All, no.
In every country there are populists (for that is what many on here are) who peddle the lie that it’s all the govts fault and that in removing them, the problems disappear. It simply isn’t so.
The first step to solving problems is recognising that, not just ‘changing the government’. Spain has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls. Germany has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls Sweden had one and it just got kicked out. Italy had one and it just got kicked out. Jacinda Adern is behind in the polls in New Zealand despite her landslide win, inflation is far higher in other countries, some countries have a huge unemployment problem, some stock markets are in massive decline..I could go on and cite a dozen more examples. There are problems EVERYWHERE, some worse than here, some not so bad.
That’s the way of things. I’m not saying that the govt is perfect, far from it. I’m saying things should be looked at holistically. Unfortunately, when faced with a series of posters who only post from one direction, restoring balance involves questioning those things and presenting a different argument or at least pointing out to someone who only posts negative things that actually there are positives too.
In the unlikely event that numerous threads on here insulting anyone who voted Labour and blaming everything on the Welsh Labour Govt, I would do the exact same in reverse.
And why? Because the truth is more interesting than bluster. And because this stuff matters and if there is a global or external cause to a problem, then just changing a government is probably pointless. Just like if a rash is caused by an infection, taking headache tablets is pointless.
The difference between what people often post on here and the reality of the situation is often very stark indeed, and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out. It’s a much better use of my time than coming on here, claiming the world is going to hell, dropping endless insults and blaming everything on something that often isn’t so.
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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That's great, but I want to go to the countries that won't let foreigners have the same rights as local citizens, i.e. the right to reside, work and own property, and not have to register with the local police!
Why would you not want people who can contribute to this country to have the same rights as you?
Because you can’t in certain countries?
Because they’re taking our jobs!?
What is it?
On a good note though you don’t need to worry about it. We’re doing a good job as a country to make sure noone wants to come here
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What is this new fangled 'Anti Growth Coalition'?
I don't want to join if it means I have to give up my treasured membership of 'The Enemy Within'.
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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It’s not defending the Tories, it’s seeking the truth, because that’s how you solve problems.
On CCMB at the moment we have threads entitled: “The Tories are utter twats” and “Rod Stewart Tory Scum arrives at conference”
Yesterday on one thread, one user in 24 hours said the following: "An absolute pig of a woman", "twisted, verminous, item of trash", "ghoulish right wing freaks", "certain individuals who disgrace the human race."
"contemptuous behaviour of a chancer appealing to the base nature of the lowest of the low."
This isn’t normal.
On most threads, there are some people who will blame every last thing on the UK government, taking no account of local governments, councils, other countries, the environment, global markets, wars, pandemics, a huge variety of economic factors. Governments are not the cause of every issue in every country and nor are they the fixers of them. Some, yes. All, no.
In every country there are populists (for that is what many on here are) who peddle the lie that it’s all the govts fault and that in removing them, the problems disappear. It simply isn’t so.
The first step to solving problems is recognising that, not just ‘changing the government’. Spain has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls. Germany has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls Sweden had one and it just got kicked out. Italy had one and it just got kicked out. Jacinda Adern is behind in the polls in New Zealand despite her landslide win, inflation is far higher in other countries, some countries have a huge unemployment problem, some stock markets are in massive decline..I could go on and cite a dozen more examples. There are problems EVERYWHERE, some worse than here, some not so bad.
That’s the way of things. I’m not saying that the govt is perfect, far from it. I’m saying things should be looked at holistically. Unfortunately, when faced with a series of posters who only post from one direction, restoring balance involves questioning those things and presenting a different argument or at least pointing out to someone who only posts negative things that actually there are positives too.
In the unlikely event that numerous threads on here insulting anyone who voted Labour and blaming everything on the Welsh Labour Govt, I would do the exact same in reverse.
And why? Because the truth is more interesting than bluster. And because this stuff matters and if there is a global or external cause to a problem, then just changing a government is probably pointless. Just like if a rash is caused by an infection, taking headache tablets is pointless.
The difference between what people often post on here and the reality of the situation is often very stark indeed, and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out. It’s a much better use of my time than coming on here, claiming the world is going to hell, dropping endless insults and blaming everything on something that often isn’t so.
I don't agree with the insults, and haven't offered you any. Surely it's possible to wildly disagree with someone but still respect their opinion.
You're right, there are plenty of factors that are affecting the times we live in. Sadly, this government over the last 12 years has gone out of it's way through their policy to exasperate difficulties for the vast majority of people. Low, medium, high earners are worse off now, and it's because of their policy. Only the highest earners will benefit from this government. They have made this abundantly clear. That is why there is so much outrage towards this government. They are the single biggest issue facing this country. The problems won't disappear in replacing them. Some of the damage that they have done is beyond repair. But it will be the first step towards repairing them.
Out of interest, if you think changing government would probably be pointless why would you vote Labour if there was a general election now? Surely, you'd vote to keep things as they are.
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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It’s not defending the Tories, it’s seeking the truth, because that’s how you solve problems.
On CCMB at the moment we have threads entitled: “The Tories are utter twats” and “Rod Stewart Tory Scum arrives at conference”
Yesterday on one thread, one user in 24 hours said the following: "An absolute pig of a woman", "twisted, verminous, item of trash", "ghoulish right wing freaks", "certain individuals who disgrace the human race."
"contemptuous behaviour of a chancer appealing to the base nature of the lowest of the low."
This isn’t normal.
On most threads, there are some people who will blame every last thing on the UK government, taking no account of local governments, councils, other countries, the environment, global markets, wars, pandemics, a huge variety of economic factors. Governments are not the cause of every issue in every country and nor are they the fixers of them. Some, yes. All, no.
In every country there are populists (for that is what many on here are) who peddle the lie that it’s all the govts fault and that in removing them, the problems disappear. It simply isn’t so.
The first step to solving problems is recognising that, not just ‘changing the government’. Spain has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls. Germany has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls Sweden had one and it just got kicked out. Italy had one and it just got kicked out. Jacinda Adern is behind in the polls in New Zealand despite her landslide win, inflation is far higher in other countries, some countries have a huge unemployment problem, some stock markets are in massive decline..I could go on and cite a dozen more examples. There are problems EVERYWHERE, some worse than here, some not so bad.
That’s the way of things. I’m not saying that the govt is perfect, far from it. I’m saying things should be looked at holistically. Unfortunately, when faced with a series of posters who only post from one direction, restoring balance involves questioning those things and presenting a different argument or at least pointing out to someone who only posts negative things that actually there are positives too.
In the unlikely event that numerous threads on here insulting anyone who voted Labour and blaming everything on the Welsh Labour Govt, I would do the exact same in reverse.
And why? Because the truth is more interesting than bluster. And because this stuff matters and if there is a global or external cause to a problem, then just changing a government is probably pointless. Just like if a rash is caused by an infection, taking headache tablets is pointless.
The difference between what people often post on here and the reality of the situation is often very stark indeed, and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out. It’s a much better use of my time than coming on here, claiming the world is going to hell, dropping endless insults and blaming everything on something that often isn’t so.
Which version of the party thats been in Government for the past dozen years are you talking about there? There’s been a few of them and the leader of the anti anti growth coalition was a diehard supporter of all of them.
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Why would you not want people who can contribute to this country to have the same rights as you?
Because you can’t in certain countries?
Because they’re taking our jobs!?
What is it?
On a good note though you don’t need to worry about it. We’re doing a good job as a country to make sure noone wants to come here
Why do you mention this country when I am talking about where I would like to live, and how they make it incredibly difficult/virtually impossible to do just that. Equality and compassion seems to be a one way street in the wider world.
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One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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jon1959
One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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I so want one.
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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It’s not defending the Tories, it’s seeking the truth, because that’s how you solve problems.
On CCMB at the moment we have threads entitled: “The Tories are utter twats” and “Rod Stewart Tory Scum arrives at conference”
Yesterday on one thread, one user in 24 hours said the following: "An absolute pig of a woman", "twisted, verminous, item of trash", "ghoulish right wing freaks", "certain individuals who disgrace the human race."
"contemptuous behaviour of a chancer appealing to the base nature of the lowest of the low."
This isn’t normal.
On most threads, there are some people who will blame every last thing on the UK government, taking no account of local governments, councils, other countries, the environment, global markets, wars, pandemics, a huge variety of economic factors. Governments are not the cause of every issue in every country and nor are they the fixers of them. Some, yes. All, no.
In every country there are populists (for that is what many on here are) who peddle the lie that it’s all the govts fault and that in removing them, the problems disappear. It simply isn’t so.
The first step to solving problems is recognising that, not just ‘changing the government’. Spain has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls. Germany has a centre-left govt, currently way behind in the polls Sweden had one and it just got kicked out. Italy had one and it just got kicked out. Jacinda Adern is behind in the polls in New Zealand despite her landslide win, inflation is far higher in other countries, some countries have a huge unemployment problem, some stock markets are in massive decline..I could go on and cite a dozen more examples. There are problems EVERYWHERE, some worse than here, some not so bad.
That’s the way of things. I’m not saying that the govt is perfect, far from it. I’m saying things should be looked at holistically. Unfortunately, when faced with a series of posters who only post from one direction, restoring balance involves questioning those things and presenting a different argument or at least pointing out to someone who only posts negative things that actually there are positives too.
In the unlikely event that numerous threads on here insulting anyone who voted Labour and blaming everything on the Welsh Labour Govt, I would do the exact same in reverse.
And why? Because the truth is more interesting than bluster. And because this stuff matters and if there is a global or external cause to a problem, then just changing a government is probably pointless. Just like if a rash is caused by an infection, taking headache tablets is pointless.
The difference between what people often post on here and the reality of the situation is often very stark indeed, and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out. It’s a much better use of my time than coming on here, claiming the world is going to hell, dropping endless insults and blaming everything on something that often isn’t so.
What's the weather like in Tunbridge Wells?
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Wales-Bales
Why do you mention this country when I am talking about where I would like to live, and how they make it incredibly difficult/virtually impossible to do just that. Equality and compassion seems to be a one way street in the wider world.
Which country would you most like to live in?
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jon1959
One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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will every member get one?
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jon1959
One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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Ironic that they are using that message to make their bank account bigger :biggrin:
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superfeathers
Which country would you most like to live in?
Well quite a few actually, Europe is not on the list though.
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Wales-Bales
Well quite a few actually, Europe is not on the list though.
If you had to choose, which one would you go for?
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superfeathers
If you had to choose, which one would you go for?
Are you coming too? :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Are you coming too? :biggrin:
I'm not ready to ditch just yet I think with a change in government and many years work the UK could get better again
I'm just interested to know where you'd like to move to?
With more and more people looking to leave the UK its interesting to know where people would aspire to move to
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jon1959
One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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jon1959
One part of the economy is booming, with sales of this tee shirt! :thumbup:
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Good old Balcony T shirts I believe.
And to piss James Wales off further the owner is good mates with a certain James O'Brien.
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Claude Blue
Good old Balcony T shirts I believe.
And to piss James Wales off further the owner is good mates with a certain James O'Brien.
Whats he got against James O'Brien? The last bastion of hope and creator of much looked-forward to mystery hour? Nothing surely
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superfeathers
Whats he got against James O'Brien? The last bastion of hope and creator of much looked-forward to mystery hour? Nothing surely
Jimbo has virulent dislike of liberal progressives. He doesn't like James O'Brien or Clive Lewis in particular. For the record, I think they are pretty much spot on.
He also doesn't like "experts". I wonder why?
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the other bob wilson
:hehe:
I wants one of them.
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az city
Jimbo has virulent dislike of liberal progressives. He doesn't like James O'Brien or Clive Lewis in particular. For the record, I think they are pretty much spot on.
He also doesn't like "experts". I wonder why?
That's not true at all AZ.
Given I offered you an apology earlier after you demanded one, perhaps you will do the same for that lie?
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Jimbos had a 'mare today, he's showing himself up. Wait until he receives my response to the naive little screed he constructed on an alternative thread today 👍
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JamesWales
That's not true at all AZ.
Given I offered you an apology earlier after you demanded one, perhaps you will do the same for that lie?
Jimbo, you clearly told us all you effectively didn't like "experts" and that they should all be treated with skepticism. I'm not going to trawl through your myriad posts in practically every thread to find the post. I have a job to do and I can't be arsed.
You think that was an apology? Laughable. You apologized if I was offended, I believe, not for making things up. There's a difference, old chum.
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az city
Jimbo, you clearly told us all you effectively didn't like "experts" and that they should all be treated with skepticism. I'm not going to trawl through your myriad posts in practically every thread to find the post. I have a job to do and I can't be arsed.
You think that was an apology? Laughable. You apologized if I was offended, I believe, not for making things up. There's a difference, old chum.
AZ, I have never said "I don't like experts". That's a lie. I suspect there is no one in these discussions who illustrates points with evidence gathered from 'experts' than myself. You are a grown man, so just take it back and use evidence to back up your points instead of making stuff up. :thumbup:
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JamesWales
AZ, I have never said "I don't like experts". That's a lie. I suspect there is no one in these discussions who illustrates points with evidence gathered from 'experts' than myself. You are a grown man, so just take it back and use evidence to back up your points instead of making stuff up. :thumbup:
‘kin hell lol. Hope you’ve got a jacket up on that very very high horse Mr “I’m a unbiased and balanced debater”
The only one on here who illustrates points with expert evidence? Okay mate.
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JamesWales
AZ, I have never said "I don't like experts". That's a lie. I suspect there is no one in these discussions who illustrates points with evidence gathered from 'experts' than myself. You are a grown man, so just take it back and use evidence to back up your points instead of making stuff up. :thumbup:
You're an absolute boring loon. Grow up FFS
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Canton Kev
‘kin hell lol. Hope you’ve got a jacket up on that very very high horse Mr “I’m a unbiased and balanced debater”
The only one on here who illustrates points with expert evidence? Okay mate.
:hehe:
Type there..I meant 'more than myself' :hide: Which is true..am always posting my links to data from experts :thumbup:
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Dorcus
You're an absolute boring loon. Grow up FFS
Is that why you keep responding?
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JamesWales
Is that why you keep responding?
No I think you know why
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Dorcus
No I think you know why
You fancy me?
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JamesWales
You fancy me?
No come on now, don't act silly as per usual. Try using your brain for a change.
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Dorcus
No come on now, don't act silly as per usual. Try using your brain for a change.
You are lonely? Am always happy to chat.
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JamesWales
You are lonely? Am always happy to chat.
Go on, pretend you're taking your O levels
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Dorcus
Go on, pretend you're taking your O levels
I have no idea why you and the other Ducky Doucus would continue to reply to someone you don't know, ignoring the points raised but serving up insults instead.
I don't have qualifications in psychology, so I am struggling to guess.
It does seem a curious use of someone's time to have nothing better to do. :sherlock:
Can you help a brother out?
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JamesWales
I have no idea why you and the other Ducky Doucus would continue to reply to someone you don't know, ignoring the points raised but serving up insults instead.
I don't have qualifications in psychology, so I am struggling to guess.
It does seem a curious use of someone's time to have nothing better to do. :sherlock:
Can you help a brother out?
I think you know. We must help you out
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Dorcus
I think you know. We must help you out
I am genuinely at a loss. Replying to counter points, agree or disagree or offer a different perspective, I get that. Humour. I get that too.
Replying to something with unrelated often abusive comments, I can honestly say I don't understand.
Something to do with the power of anonymity I guess? Am more than happy to meet for a pint if that would make the behaviour friendlier?
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JamesWales
I am genuinely at a loss. Reply to counter points, agree or disagree I get.
Replying to something with unrelated often abusive comments, I can honestly say I don't understand.
Something to do with the power of anonymity I guess? Am more than happy to meet for a pint if that would make the behaviour friendlier?
No don't fret, time to go now. We shall continue this conversation tomorrow. I think your homework for tonight before tomorrows session is to try and learn who you really are. I shall be interested in exploring the reasons for your misguided view of yourself. I'm sure I can help. ttfn.
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Dorcus
No don't fret, time to go now. We shall continue this conversation tomorrow. I think your homework for tonight before tomorrows session is to try and learn who you really are. I shall be interested in exploring the reasons for your misguided view of yourself. I'm sure I can help. ttfn.
Far too late to be setting homework, be reasonable.
Have a nice evening :thumbup:
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Re: Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?
The anti Tory coalition - count me in.
