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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

you are overreacting.

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Am I? Or is it sensible to try and nip sectarian political chanting in the bud in football?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Austerity happened the world over. Labour also proposed it in their 2010 manifesto - lenders wouldn't have lent to the UK without it. You think wages in the UK would be rising by 10%+ with a different govt right now?

If there were chants at football labelling people traitors it absolutely would be divisive, just as this is.

Usually there is at least a nugget of link to football in these things; "Eng-er-land is full of shit" at English clubs. "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" when playing Brighton etc.

It's infantile and offensive, but at least linked to football. This is rank sectarianism, nothing to do with football used by a bunch of people seeking to insert their own politics into a sport by insulting half the population. Like I said, I saw it in Brussels with some Yes Cymru guys who it looked to me viewed the whole trip as a recruitment opportunity.

It's not progressive, it causes division and people shouldn't be okay with it.

Or do we want some northern clubs chanting about Labour supporting grooming gangs? Do we want Celtic singing about the IRA? Do we want Linfield shouting **** sinn fein? It's ugly, hateful ignorance and it doesn't surprise me who is in favour of it.

Wrexham are right to condemn it IMO.

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bingo :thumbup:

but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense :hehe:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Am I? Or is it sensible to try and nip sectarian political chanting in the bud in football?

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Chanting "Boris is a ****" may be offensive to some (I count at least two swearwords), but its factual, hardly sectarian, and given politicians are transient, hardly enduring.

You are welcome to your opinion, as am I. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just pointing out that your train of thought has stalled in the station.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

bingo :thumbup:

but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense :hehe:

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Really?

I'm more inclined to vote Tory than Labour but even I can see this is a storm in a teacup.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Chanting "Boris is a ****" may be offensive to some (I count at least two swearwords), but its factual, hardly sectarian, and given politicians are transient, hardly enduring.

You are welcome to your opinion, as am I. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just pointing out that your train of thought has stalled in the station.

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Yes at no point am I suggesting that no one is not entitled to their opinion. Quite the opposite in fact. People should feel welcome at football matches irrespective of their beliefs or any other characteristics they may possess. That's entirely my point.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes at no point am I suggesting that no one is not entitled to their opinion. Quite the opposite in fact. People should feel welcome at football matches irrespective of their beliefs or any other characteristics they may possess. That's entirely my point.

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Can people who hate Tories attend football matches too?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Can people who hate Tories attend football matches too?

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Yes, people who hate all sorts of groups in society can. Doesn't mean it's a good thing that they all start singing about how much they hate groups of people who have no connection to football though.

You are an embarrassment JW

The only person defending your pathetic ego driven arguement is another raving tory

We all know that in this country sectarianism in football relates to the extremists of Northern Ireland

To suggest a little scribble on a pair of football boots is the same sort of thing is absolutely ridiculous and you are embarrassing yourself

Your only support on this thread has been a fellow tory

You are keeping on and on with tory love in just a few weeks after you told everyone you were voting Labour

This is cringeworthy stuff

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Originally Posted by blue matt

bingo :thumbup:

but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense :hehe:

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Welsh people who vote Tory make absolutely no sense whatsoever to most of us

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are an embarrassment JW

The only person defending your pathetic ego driven arguement is another raving tory

We all know that in this country sectarianism in football relates to the extremists of Northern Ireland

To suggest a little scribble on a pair of football boots is the same sort of thing is absolutely ridiculous and you are embarrassing yourself

Your only support on this thread has been a fellow tory

You are keeping on and on with tory love in just a few weeks after you told everyone you were voting Labour

This is cringeworthy stuff

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If I am disagreeing with arguably the most hate filled person on here, then I must be doing something right.

Sludge, Yes, were there a general election a few weeks ago, I'd have voted Labour. My vote is always up for grabs. It doesn't mean I want to see abusive political chants at football matches.

And sectarianism DOES NOT just refer to Northern Ireland. That is absolutely not true. It's the prime example, but not the only.

As I say, you are okay with hatred as long as it's directed at who you hate. Thats what it seems to be. Imagine if everyone had that approach.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Welsh people who vote Tory make absolutely no sense whatsoever to most of us

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And to other people, Welsh people living in the poorest part of the United Kingdom and continuously electing the same party in charge of health, transport, education, economic development etc time and time again and expecting a different result is equally confusing.

It doesn't mean that wondering around Screaming 'F**K THE LABOUR PARTY' at football matches is a useful or pleasant use of their time

I have got the world's smallest violin playing a sad tune for you

When Thatcher was closing the mines, ccfc fans would regularly chant songs against the govt and the police

You must have been a little tory boy of about 8

Thank god you didn't hear these evil , sectarian songs !

You really are a daft prat

Sectarian songs .......you don't really believe this pompous nonsense , you have just backed yourself into a silly little grief hole and can't see a way out

Have a word with yourself and naff off

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have got the world's smallest violin playing a sad tune for you

When Thatcher was closing the mines, ccfc fans would regularly chant songs against the govt and the police

You must have been a little tory boy of about 8

Thank god you didn't hear these evil , sectarian songs !

You really are a daft prat

Sectarian songs .......you don't really believe this pompous nonsense , you have just backed yourself into a silly little grief hole and can't see a way out

Have a word with yourself and naff off

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I was 3 during the miners strike.

It is sectarian.

In the 80's lots of football fans chanted lots of discriminatory things. That's all okay is it?

Mines closed in the UK from the 1920s onwards and nearly every country has decimated its coal mining sector. Unemployment now is absolutely nothing like the 1980s.

Again, as long as the hatred is about something you hate, then you are okay with it.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

you are overreacting.

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He’s good at that.

https://www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/20...--paul-mullin/

Perhaps Mullin will wear a **** the Tories T shirt under his top.

I see that Sunak refuses to commit to the Triple Lock undermining Liz Truss's own undermining of Jeremy Hunt the week before.

If he fails to honour the Triple Lock (another manifesto commitment) he'll have an army of OAPs shouting f**k the Tories throughout the country. And these people form the backbone of the Tory support. Not a good look.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I see that Sunak refuses to commit to the Triple Lock undermining Liz Truss's own undermining of Jeremy Hunt the week before.

If he fails to honour the Triple Lock (another manifesto commitment) he'll have an army of OAPs shouting f**k the Tories throughout the country. And these people form the backbone of the Tory support. Not a good look.

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Plenty of old farts will still vote for them though.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I see that Sunak refuses to commit to the Triple Lock undermining Liz Truss's own undermining of Jeremy Hunt the week before.

If he fails to honour the Triple Lock (another manifesto commitment) he'll have an army of OAPs shouting f**k the Tories throughout the country. And these people form the backbone of the Tory support. Not a good look.

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Not every OAP is reliant on their state pension.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Not every OAP is reliant on their state pension.

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Especially in Tory heartlands

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Not every OAP is reliant on their state pension.

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Indeed not, some are very rich and will probably continue to vote Tory. There are huge numbers of OAPs who are solely reliant upon their state pension however and they will be hit extremely hard without the uplift.

Nevertheless Pensioners have some fairly powerful lobbying groups behind them these days and I suspect, whatever their income level, they won't relish the government reneging on a core commitment (again). I fully expect they will make their annoyance known.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I was 3 during the miners strike.

It is sectarian.

In the 80's lots of football fans chanted lots of discriminatory things. That's all okay is it?

Mines closed in the UK from the 1920s onwards and nearly every country has decimated its coal mining sector. Unemployment now is absolutely nothing like the 1980s.

Again, as long as the hatred is about something you hate, then you are okay with it.

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You really are pathetic 🙄

Comparing football fans singing songs about an industrial dispute in 1984 and violent chanting about protestant and Catholic which is backed up by thousands of dead people

Fecking sort yourself out ff sake

Discriminatory chanting is about sexuality , race , disability ......serious , antagonistic chanting

Is there

Interesting and amusing piece by Barry Glendenning in the Guardian, on Wrexham's hopes for Tory government funding for their stadium (making it capable again of hosting Wales matches), and the reaction to Paul Mullin's boots.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...atives-funding

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Interesting and amusing piece by Barry Glendenning in the Guardian, on Wrexham's hopes for Tory government funding for their stadium (making it capable again of hosting Wales matches), and the reaction to Paul Mullin's boots.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...atives-funding

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Few articles will so aptly demonstrate the inbuilt bias within the guardian newspaper than that.

I love as well that the boots contained an image of the skyline of Liverpool - a skyline built on reclaimed waterfront funded by an Urban Development Corporation set up by the Tories.

Thats the often annoying thing of simple slogans - they are used to mask reality.

And why is a foodbank in Wrexham aimed at the Tories when Wales has been Labour run since 1999? Why is the London media so incapable of identifying that we have a senedd and government that exists that also requires (and would hugely benefit from) greater scrutiny?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Few articles will so aptly demonstrate the inbuilt bias within the guardian newspaper than that.

I love as well that the boots contained an image of the skyline of Liverpool - a skyline built on reclaimed waterfront funded by an Urban Development Corporation set up by the Tories.

Thats the often annoying thing of simple slogans - they are used to mask reality.

And why is a foodbank in Wrexham aimed at the Tories when Wales has been Labour run since 1999? Why is the London media so incapable of identifying that we have a senedd and government that exists that also requires (and would hugely benefit from) greater scrutiny?

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The article is spot on. UK MSM is London centric. The Senedd is not responsible for the UK economy. The European Structural And Investment Funds bankrolled a huge amount of that Liverpool Urban Development.

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Every article in every paper in every country has in-built bias to suit the narrative of that paper's political ideology and will slant accordingly. You know this so why even raise it?

F**** the Tories

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Few articles will so aptly demonstrate the inbuilt bias within the guardian newspaper than that.

I love as well that the boots contained an image of the skyline of Liverpool - a skyline built on reclaimed waterfront funded by an Urban Development Corporation set up by the Tories.

Thats the often annoying thing of simple slogans - they are used to mask reality.

And why is a foodbank in Wrexham aimed at the Tories when Wales has been Labour run since 1999? Why is the London media so incapable of identifying that we have a senedd and government that exists that also requires (and would hugely benefit from) greater scrutiny?

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Wales has been run by Labour since 1999 ?

In what way , related to the use of food banks ?

Income levels , taxes , benefit levels ?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

The article is spot on. UK MSM is London centric. The Senedd is not responsible for the UK economy. The European Structural And Investment Funds bankrolled a huge amount of that Liverpool Urban Development.

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Every article in every paper in every country has in-built bias to suit the narrative of that paper's political ideology and will slant accordingly. You know this so why even raise it?

F**** the Tories

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The Liverpool skyline ?

The liver building etc ?

That's got gothing to do with the Albert docks redevelopment which in itself was not the idea of the Quango LDC , it had been planned for years

As had the redevelopment of Cardiff Docks , Cardiff City Council , South Glamorgan CC had started redeveloping the area long before the Tories came in and roped everything in .

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Liverpool skyline ?

The liver building etc ?

That's got gothing to do with the Albert docks redevelopment which in itself was not the idea of the Quango LDC , it had been planned for years

As had the redevelopment of Cardiff Docks , Cardiff City Council , South Glamorgan CC had started redeveloping the area long before the Tories came in and roped everything in .

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Where will money come from now the EU funding has gone? Every area of the UK relied upon it. Some of the most deprived too.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Where will money come from now the EU funding has gone? Every area of the UK relied upon it. Some of the most deprived too.

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Not to mention rishi is a self proclaimed expert of moving funding away from deprived areas and towards Tunbridge Wells

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Where will money come from now the EU funding has gone? Every area of the UK relied upon it. Some of the most deprived too.

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Well that was the levelling up fund those that voted brexit were promised

The people of Wales who voted brexit in places like Ebbw Vale are now shocked to hear the money they will get from the Tories is less than they had before

I am afraid its too late to complain now , the Tories are snakes and always will be

I hope these people and in the rest of the UK don't have short memories come the next election when again they will be lied to

But I am afraid some of the electorate are just utterly stupid 🙃

You realise that the UK gave the EU more money than we received back right?

It's like you giving me a tenner and me giving you back £7 and telling you how to spend it.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You realise that the UK gave the EU more money than we received back right?

It's like you giving me a tenner and me giving you back £7 and telling you how to spend it.

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If I gave you £10 and you gave me £7 back to improve my community and infrastructure/economy AND European Citizenship and all its freedom of movement and security I'd rip your arm off!

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

If I gave you £10 and you gave me £7 back to improve my community and infrastructure/economy AND European Citizenship and all its freedom of movement and security I'd rip your arm off!

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I'll give you a bridge while you are at it! ;)