Why don't you take that up with the guy who says it was genetically manipulated?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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Why don't you take that up with the guy who says it was genetically manipulated?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Sneezing is also a major symptom :hehe: ( Yep that’s right )
https://joinzoe.com/learn/covid-new-...covid-symptoms
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I know it’s similar to flu \ cold from the times I’ve “tested positive “[/QUOTE]
Always a concern when someone, who is convinced the vast majority of scientists in the world are wrong but one or two are right, also implies that flu is the same thing as a cold.
Do you agree that flu and the common cold are quite different or is flu a fuss about nothing too?
Funding has a lot to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
My concern was that they alienated , bullied , locked people down, vax shamed ,shut down debate , coerced people etc for a virus that was similar to flu ( which is dangerous to certain groups). For clarification I said it was like a cold for myself, (which I thought it would be from the outset) , probably because I eat well, exercise daily and have a low BMI. I also have never had a days sick in my 31 years employment. Hope that clarifies the position.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
This guy for example
https://twitter.com/fatemperor/statu...M6gTEYeK6i863w
And now they are going to starve people and force them into eating bugs, while removing farmers off their land, and the one's planning all this were tucking into beef medallions, poultry, fish & fresh dairy produce!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Your point was that " I know it’s similar to flu \ cold ". I just questioned what you said, because flu and a cold are not the same thing. If you don't know that they're not the same thing, then you probably haven't had flu. Maybe man flu but not actually flu, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
For the record if I had covid, being to the best of my knowledge fit and well, i'd hope to also have limited symptoms. Maybe I've had it.
The reason they treated it differently to flu, was because there has been a longstanding vaccine in place for flu.
I do understand your position. You didn't agree with lockdowns, don't agree with vaccines. Get it, I respect your opinion and however much debate there is to be had you won't change that and that's your right. As far as you're concerned then there was a major over-reaction. However the majority of scientists worldwide, better qualified than both of us completely disagree with you and you don't have to make out that every single one of them is involved in some sort of lunatic conspiracy, with a poorly sourced website apparently backing it up as some sort of proof
*The majority of scientists sponsored by big pharma. Those who spoke out sacrificed their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
There are a significant amount of eminent scientists, scientific advisors and peers who had the opposite opinion, but were not given the same platform to give their views , and they should have been even if you or me didn’t agree with them. Don’t you think that was odd in a supposedly democratic society?Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Edit yet they gave a philanthropist like Bill Gates literally thousands of hours air time.
Not odd, because big pharma showered the media with hundreds of millions of dollars. Same with the research institutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I know you only use source documents so posting the evidence that big pharma showered the media with hundreds of millions of dollars should be a doddle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's about time you developed some skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Register a new id and pretend I agree with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Social Services do :Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
100,000 kids have almost entirely disappeared from education since schools returned last year. The existence of
these so called “ghost children” is nothing short of a national disaster.*
These children are at risk of abuse after failing to come back to school. The tragic case of five-year-old Arthur
Labinjo-Hughes, who was cruelly poisoned then beaten to death by his parents, is a painful case in point. Gang-
related and other safeguarding risks abound when children disappear from schools. This has been confirmed by
charities who work with these children who have seen an alarming spike in safeguarding referrals this year.
One thing for sure...we will get to the bottom of this conspiracy on a CCFC forum
That argument doesn't wash in these days of social media. Dissenting scientists can out their views online and there will be a lot of people who think like you do who will find it and try to "spread the word". Also, Dr Malhotra, who is a convincing advocate for anti vaccine views, has appeared on mainstream media - the problem as I see it is that there aren't many as authentic sounding as him around.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Has someone turned the irony dial up to 11 in this thread or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Does this have anything to do with these children you supposedly know, or are you just virtual signalling?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Does the post about children going missing in the educational system concern you at all ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I'll give you the same answer I gave you the last time you replied to me (thanks for taking me off ignore btw!)Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Why don't you take this up with lifeonmars? He's the one claiming to know kids still off school because they're scared of covid. If you're worried about child welfare, get him to do something about it (he won't, as he's making it up).
Otherwise, it just looks like you're sniping a poster you don't like.
I don’t know you to dislike , I don’t agree with a few of your posts but you’re anonymous, so I can’t dislike you::thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I quite like Lardy, but one thing I noticed is he never learns from his mistakes, and he jumps onto the next topic without refining any of his thought processes. Russia collusion was a classic, he never questioned how he got it so wrong, instead he just carried on using the same sources of information as though noting had happened!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
You on the other hand have never been wrong about anything :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I feel like I’m in the Truman Show and a new director has asked for the cast crank up the irony. This thread has been bombarded with some hilarious takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You really are living in a simulation, you just haven't worked it out yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Some people will never work it out , fine, but others have a right to question , and always will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
K hun xQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Let me know when you work it out, unless I see Organ’s cryptic post about it before you do.
Do you believe in God?Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Have you analysed what religion is, the role it plays, the effect it had/has on society, and the reason why you don't believe the narrative?Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Religion and conspiracies aren’t comparable though. Someone who believes in god or gods can’t prove their existence. And as a non believer I can’t prove them wrong. Religion is all about faith and opinions. Both believing in it and not believing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Someone arguing the world is flat can be disproven with evidence that it’s actually round.
Someone who doesn’t believe in climate change can be shown increases in temperature, higher levels of CO2, lesser ice coverage, etc.
As this thread started out, I believe the summer heatwave was the main cause of abnormally high deaths because there is data that shows more people died on the hotter days.
I believe the universe began with the Big Bang. There’s evidence and science to back up the theory that the Big Bang occurred. There’s nothing to prove or disprove if the Big Bang itself was a naturally occurring event or if a higher power willed it to happen. All I have is faith in my judgment there isn’t a god.
| In the past 25 weeks we have had 13,514 more deaths than we would expect for the time of year if the chance of dying was the same as pre-pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
�� Latest 4 weeks, deaths were 8.8%, or 3,730 deaths higher than what you would expect based on pre-pandemic death rates.
Looking at deaths from all causes, over the past 25 weeks deaths are above expectation for all age groups, except those aged 10-14.
The largest percentages above expectation are those aged 35 to 59.
Younger have fewer deaths so small fluctuations can impact percentages.
Excluding deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate we see that there are fewer deaths than you would expect among those aged 75 to 89.
The highest % of deaths above average with Covid not mentioned on the death certificate are those aged 45 to 54.
Not sure if that’s heat related?
Link here
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...c-5U91svMN4fjQ
Not sure how that’s relevant to what I said but okay.
Again, as I said before, heat isn’t the only thing that kills people. However during an abnormally hot month we had an abnormally high number of deaths. Abnormally high deaths that peaked in line with the abnormally high temperature peaking too.
Do you not think the extra deaths during the summer should be attributed to the heatwave?
As mentioned previously in the thread, the NHS isn’t operating anywhere close to its pre pandemic efficiency or quality. I’ve not got the numbers but if I recall, we haven’t had a single month below the pre pandemic excess deaths rate since early 2020.
In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Here is the statistical information that your twitter source has reinterpreted.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
Page 3 shows the path of excess deaths by week during the last few years. You can filter it by age group and sex. It shows massive peaks which triggered lockdowns which massively reduced and then for a period took those deaths below seasonal norms.
These are for England but these patterns are similar for all the countries which reacted to exponential growths in deaths before vaccines were widely available on the advice of their medical experts.
Believe what you want about how the virus was managed, including thinking it was mostly like a cold for most (in all it's mutations presumably) but the data paints a different picture on its virulence across the age groups at its height.
The heat wave would have been a factor - although 'only' accounting for hundreds of excess deaths. Reactions to vaccines might have been a marginal factor - although a fraction of the deaths that rampant Covid would have caused.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
My educated guess (from reading a lot of opinion and analysis) is that most excess deaths have come from late diagnoses and missed treatments as a consequence of Covid lock-down, overwhelmed hospitals during the height of the pandemic, and the impact of staff vacancies (due to Brexit, stress, long-term illnesses amongst medical staff and inadequate funding).
Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thoiugh out excess lockdown , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales pronlonged lockdowns save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicrom period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critcail illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..
The Tories were right in not contuining with such sever lockdown measures during the Omicrom period .
A whole multitude of reasons. To name a few:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Unhealthier lifestyles due to lockdown catching up with people.
The deteriorating quality of NHS care. A knock on effect of missed and delayed appointments and treatments.
Complications of Covid/long Covid catching up to people.
Why that age range in particular? I don’t think there’s any particular reason.
The graph doesn’t follow a bell curve. In fact the numbers look fairly random suggesting there’s a whole load of factors involved.
Just to highlight:
60-64 is 3.2% higher.
65-69 is 6.4% higher.
70-74 is 5.0%higher.
75-79 is 1.7% higher.
80-84 is 4.4% higher.
85-89 is 4.2% higher.
I could make a few assumptions but Im quite confident there isn’t any definitive answer.
Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thought policies ,and excess lock downs , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales prolonged lock downs save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicron period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critical illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..
The Tories were right in not continuing with such sever lock down measures during the Omicron period .
Lets hope this comes out in the inquiry Unhealthier lifestyles due to lock down catching up with people good spot Canton Kev ..
Easy to blame other factors and not the real thing whcih is the abuse of the NHS , Unhealthier lifestyles ,