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Why are they excuses? If a young player's body is still growing then they're not ready to play professional football. Scott McTominay grew 10 inches after he turned 19 - Man Utd held him out of training sessions and didn't play him regularly during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Page said it as well, that's 3 managers, maybe there is something in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Strange how many think it's some conspiracy or something
Steven Gerrard had a late growth spurt I remember as well that kept him out of action for about a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I want Colwill to be a success here as much as anyone, and I think he will be once he is injury free and he can "trust his body", I still think he will be a star for us, joint top scorer last season wasn't he?
at the moment though I can't honestly say that I would start him against QPR, once he starts influencing games as a sub then I'd think about him starting games again
I thought Bagan came on leaps and bounds last season and scored some very crucial goals. Some players step it up more in actual games compared to training, surprised he hasn't really had an opportunity this season.
Aye bollocks to Cymru for a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Did Page say it because they said it? Let’s be honest Page has no clue what’s going on, he was a fringe player for a few weeks. I meant another manager about their players. Unless this is specific to him and he has rare growth spurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hungry Blue
Might be genuine for sure.
James Rowberry also said it on EJFOF. It isn’t bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by Hungry Blue
How times have changed. Back in the day, a young player growing was seen as a positive, it meant he was getting bigger and stronger.
Now it's being looked at as some kind of hindrance to his development.
Hudson said:
"It's our job to get him firing on all cylinders. Then, well, what a player we've got."
To me that statement is a bit premature. He'll need to improve his decision making (Colwill) during play and get help from some running coach to try and improve his speed.
What is EJFOF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It is all very strange.
Don't you find it A BIT strange that he seems to be able to get into the Wales side (including a WC team) and yet struggles to get picked regularly for his (relegation threatened) club?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Because I do.
Back in the day we sent kids up chimneys and down mines. What point are you trying to make?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Elis James Feast of Football podcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Your analogy is quite poor. I'm talking about player development and you're talking about sending kids up chimneys?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I'll just leave it there.
Ah, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by 61adb
This is a 20 year old though who’s being touted as our salvation, he’s made 55 appearances as it is, since his debut season the City have played, maybe, 125/130 games in that period. The excuses for him being unavailable seem bizarre yet the national team include him, even took him to the last Euros shortly after his City debut. So, yes, there aren’t many 20 year olds with Championship clubs who’ve over 100 appearances under their belt but, equally, there aren’t many, if any, 20 year olds with Championship clubs who’ve been to a Euros and a World Cup yet haven’t made a full breakthrough at their (19th placed) club. It is a strange situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Maybe it is also, in part, an indication of the desperation of the Welsh management to get some "youth with promise" embedded into their squad structure before the old guard finally step down.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I'd guess Colwill was fifteen or sixteen (possibly a little younger) when I saw him for the first time - he's always been one of the tallest players on the pitch in any match I've seen him play. Occasionally, I'd by with the poster called Lormaski watching him and we once simultaneously likened him to Jason Fowler one time - in my case, I was thinking in terms of someone of a certain size who is a completely different type of player than you might expect him to be.
We're not talking some Scott McTominay type ten inches in two years type transformation here. Go back just under two years and Mick McCarthy was talking about how big Colwill was then. I've always been convinced that this had a part to play in McCarthy's willingness to play him in the first team at eighteen. I'm sorry,, but having seen him play just three days ago, I still don't see any evidence of Colwill having shot up since he first started appearing in City's senior side during the 20/21 season.
I'm struck by the contrast we see from City when it comes to Colwill and someone like Joe Ledley. I watched Ledley playing for what would have been our reserve team at the age of sixteen at around this time of year and then noticing the big difference in him about eight months later when I saw him at the start of the 04/05 season. All of a sudden, Joe had shot up a two or three inches and looked ready to play men's football - the transformation in Ledley in those few months represented more of a "growth spurt" than anything we've seen in Colwill since last season.
Yet, Ledley was in the first team within about six weeks of the 04/05 campaign starting and never looked back - he was in the side week i, week out for the rest of that season. In fact, although he suffered from injuries more as he got older as most players do, Ledley was barely ever injured while he was at City.
Mark Hudson talks about Colwill not trusting his body any more. Is that really too surprising when he is being forever told he has to take things easy because of these so called growth spurts he's supposed to be suffering from? Your typical nineteen/twenty year old does not have the confidence to tell medical men and women they are wrong and is far more likely to go along with what they are being told. I'm not saying that he should be told to pull himself together or anything like that, but City do seem to be cossetting him somewhat.
Completely agree, management by numbers from Hudson.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
It's strange, but I think the strange bit is more to do with his being picked for Wales than not for City. Me ? I don't think he's good enough for Championship football in a top 6 side. Naturally too slow on his feet and has the same work ethic as Josh Murphy.But I wonder if there's something else going on here. Was Colwill the reason Morison got the sack ? Was he the player who kept complaining - via others - that Morison was a 'bully' ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Really, that does surprise me. I didn't think McPhail played so often under Malky Mackay - five or six matches yes, but not that many. I was convinced that McPhail barely played for us again after his Sjögren's syndrome and Raynaud's phenomenon diagnosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The club don't think he's good enough and i'm not sure that i do either, There probably has been something going on connected to Colwill and his body, but it seems like it's code for something else. The club don't know where to play him, he can't defend or tackle very well and unlike Lee Tomlin is not aggressive or possess the ability to put himself in good intelligent positions. In short, i reckon that Colwill isn't the brightest on a football pitch. Just my opinion, it may well be a complete load of shit :thumbup:
Morison and Hudson are newly qualified and with any newly qualified person like teachers, police, fast-tracked managers they are useless until they understand the job, which is why they should never have been appointed to a championship club until they understood the role and proved they are a difference maker in it. But Vinny is penny-wise, pound stupid nowadays.
Colwills touch, deftness of pass, and ability to travel with the ball marks him out as a talent to nurture, promote and sell, especially when the owner is trying to recoup as much as he can, but we still don't know if he can do it physically yet.
The money in the game has changed it since Ledleys time, I doubt Lenny or DJ would give the medical team as much sway as obviously, the last two managers have, but we need to "risk" Rubin and find out whether he is up to the rigours of championship football as the next level demand even more of him physically and surely that's why we are fattening him up for, a transfer to the premier league.
Ledley looked like a midfielder, Colwill doesn't to my medically untrained eyes, but nor did Tomlin either.
The crux of the matter is we’re constantly being told that he’s a very good player yet he’s being wrapped in cotton wool when we could do with good players at the moment let alone very good players. Christ, not three weeks or so ago he was playing against England in the World Cup.
If Colwill was fit he would be in the team
If he was 17 and fit he might be in the team
But he's of an age now that if he was match ready he would be playing
He's an enigmatic sort of player that every side needs
So forget all the yakking , he's not fit
He doesnt need to be good enough for a top 6 championship team at the moment. He needs to be good enough for a bottom 6 team.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I don't think he lasted 90 minutes in any of his starts. He even started one of the playoff legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I would really like to know how you think that Colwill could/should have made over 100 appearances for City by now, bearing in mind that he only made his debut in April 2021 as a nineteen year old, there have only been about 70 league games since then and for most of this season he has been out injured as well. I hardly think that nine minutes at the end of an already lost World Cup match counts as a meaningful contribution. If he was that fit and ready to play and the Wales manager thought he was that good, surely he would have started at least one of the other two games or been brought on sooner in others ? If you also look at photos of Colwill from 2019 and compare them with what he looks like now, there has been a dramatic change in his height and physique, something that a number of the contributors on this thread seem totally unable to grasp, in the quest to discredit everything the club does. Quelle surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan (plus others from the boot room) were promoted from within at Liverpool with no management experience whatsoever but didn't seem to do too badly at it. Hudson had managed at Championship and Premier League level before he was appointed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by llan bluebird
This. I don't even think that free kick was that great. The keeper had a 'mare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Also, can we put to bed this "he plays for Wales but not City" nonsense? He played for 9 minutes.
Colwill or Rinamotha?
Has to be Colwill.
He's got something different
Shoulder drop , dummies , picking a pass
He's definitely got the class to be a very good player at this level
But he's struggling with fitness
It will be that which is the deal breaker not wether or not He's good enough
He clearly is
Has he ever put in a solid 90 minutes for City? And been influential for the whole game? Or at least most of it? Genuine question.
I am not convinced......too weak in challenges.....despite his size....and goes around the pitch half-mast instead of steaming forward.....His main 'claim to fame' are the two goals against Forest....I am old enough to remember many youngsters coming though at 18 -20....sink or swim...
Isaak Davies I have higher hopes for,..... IF he can renew his pace after injury.
And lost every single one of them. That’s not fair to Hudson because there was only four of them, but it’s the same as you trying to make out that those four matches somehow turns his appointment into something of a coup for City :xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Love the idea that City have an equivalent of the Liverpool boot room.
:hehe: Which one is Bill Shankly? We're going to win the Champions' League now. This is going to be an EPIC ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Colwill was 16 and 17 in 2019, there’s always going to be some changes in height and appearance with youngsters between those ages and twenty, but, to hear the club talk you’d think he’s grown another foot. I know you don’t like because it goes against your forelock tugging attitude when it comes to Cardiff City, but, as I said in another message, I’ve been watching Colwill play for a good few years before 2019 and I’ve yet to see a game in which he was not one of the tallest players on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I also mentioned that having watched him play last season and this, I see no evidence of this apparent growth spurt.
Has Bellingham had any kind of growth spurt ….Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Well, Rubin hardly set the world alight this evening, did he? Not sure whether the management style is holding him back or what, but we can't just keep waiting for him to come good. If he's that good, he should be absolutely bossing shite games like this evening's.