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It's not just the network. Ask every member of this forum if they would be able to charge their car at home and I doubt 25% could answer 'no problem'. It's never going to be a practical solution for the majority of motorists. Can you imagine a Friday before Bank Holiday ? Tesco on Western Avenue can 'turn over' 300+ cars every hour. If they had the equivalent number of electric charging points it would be more like 16..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Or if you live in an apartment block or terraced house 🤔
A very long extension lead is the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunnysideup
True. The mobility scooter problem (where to keep, how to charge without creating a hazard on landings and with trailing cables) has not been solved after 20-30 years. People usually find a work-around but it is still a mess, and an obstruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunnysideup
Investment in infrastructure, charging points, secure charge locations and battery technology are all needed.
But I bet this conversation will look dated very soon. In 20 years most cars on UK roads will be electric.
Not up here on Teesside it hasn't : https://www.bp.com/en_gb/united-king...-teesside.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
The Tees Valley Metro mayor has also led the charge to Net Zero by purchasing the airport and saving it from closure. It's now thriving and seen as essential in attracting inward investment. On land being cleared from the old Redcar steel works we have constructions of a net zero power station, Blue and Green Hydrogen manufacture, wind turbine factory with deep water export facility, carbon capture and storage, hydrogen transport research centre aiming to get 10,000 local HGV's and buses using it for fuel.
The region was on it's arse a few years ago but is currently the epicentre of the UK's net zero ambitions
Hey TeesBlue
Just wondering if you’re planning on travelling down on the eleventh of next month?
Reason I’m asking is a good mate of mine (Boro fan) runs coaches to away games
I’m sure he’d be more than happy to have you on board
They leave that little bit earlier and are accommodated at a local hostelry for several hours fed then we all jump on getting a lift to the ground
If you’re interested Pm me and I’ll gladly sort you out mate ⚽️🍺👍
well you may as well get used to it as your fuel guzzling motors will not be in production for many more years
I think they will be personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
I entered a competition on autotrader.The prize was a honda small electric. 100 mile range.It would take forever to get somewhere like London.
I'm not reading the three bllx pages - EV's are brilliant end of..... especially Tesla's :wave:
Mr Tit, if you want a test drive PM me :wave:
It's only the production of them that's being phased out (currently 2035 for hybrids), not the usage. Both the vehicle range and charging infrastructure have a long way to go to make swapping a viable option for many.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
NO THANK YOU, not whilst this keeps happening:——-Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Pontprennau Blues
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2100...ed-inside/amp/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...r-28914534.amp
Recharging away from home is still the issue though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Pontprennau Blues
I watched a video on YouTube of a Tesla owner telling his story of the car completely shutting down on a dual carriageway at night. Luckily enough he was next to a layby and managed to get the car in there. The car then locked itself and nothing worked on the car ie hazard warning lights, doors and windows wouldn't open and no way of charging his phone. There is a manual emergency lever on the inside of a Tesla that opens the doors in said circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
He then needed to get out for a pee, and while he was out of the car the wind blew the door shut and he couldn't get back in. He then decided he would walk a couple of miles to the nearest services to get help, but realised all his stuff was still inside the car so he ended up smashing the drivers side window to get in and collect his stuff.
This could have been so much worse if it happened to a Mum and her kids or someone elderly on a fast road with nowhere to pull over.
The Tesla he was driving was new with only 300 miles on the clock.
An extension lead as long as the journey is expected to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
The answer is get Green flag breakdown cover, drive your electric car until it shuts down, call green flag and they will transport your car to your intended destination.
NO FUEL NEEDED!!
Green Flag run on air I take it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
EV owner and advocate here. You mention terrace- presumably your point is you have no way to charge at home? If so, I agree it doesn't work. If you have somewhere you can park and charge at home it's SO easy, but if not and you would have to rely on the public infrastructure only (as.you do for a petrol car) then it's not really viable, especially if it's your main/only car.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
There is really a big divide. For those who can charge at home, there really won't be many people who would have major issues going EV unless you are doing hundreds of miles a day. For those that can't charge at home- I really wouldn't recommend it. 99% of our charging is done at home and while my experience of the public network is very good, it would be too much hassle to continually have to take it places and wait while it charge. And that is the problem.
Battery swap would be great but I suspect the advancement will come through longer and longer ranges allied to faster and faster charging times
So basically it’s bringing back a “class divide”, in the population ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Those with houses with drives and those without
A throwback to Victorian times
no on ffuel but it isn't yours, and you don't have to queue for hours to get it!! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Those bloody electric Hansom cabs…..grrrrQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
They have the in London. they're great!Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
They have THE what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The drivers aren't so Hansom though.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
electric hansom cabs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Where do they put the horses?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Hope none of you have lashed out on a Tesla
https://apple.news/A5ohfAo4XRO-QkL4WU0mM0Q
Correct. The German manufacturers wrote a white paper on this very subject, which the German government presented to the EU. It got buried. Not just the electric vehicle side, it’s also the push for lightweight and the cost of magnesium & carbon fibre over aluminium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunnysideup
Uhm, yes, prices "slashed" apparently - Tesla car now reduced to a mere £43K. Somehow I don't envisage a mad dash to the showrooms.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
The current technology (no pun intended!) will be obsolete within 10 years. It will be the new Betamax for those old enough to remember that.
Electric cars are great at what they do. Walk through London and they are everywhere, as is the charging infrastructure. Most streets have chargers in lots of lampposts or at the end of the street.
I'd definitely be wanting petrol or diesel if I was wanting to travel long distances though
Oh dear !!!!!
https://apple.news/AK-RzxADBT3Gm_NVWWPulGA
You beat me to it Titty
Was reading this online just now
Do you really think that the government will start phasing out the production of petrol and diesel cars in ten years time.
Industry experts say that for the UK to keep up with the rest of the world in the production of electric cars we will need several Electric car battery manufacturers.
Not exactly a great start when BritishVolt a much championed start up collapses into administration.
Seems to me that the government wants everyone walking,cycling or on public transport in a decade.
Tends to confirm my prediction (post #69 above) I think. If investors were convinced that battery powered electric cars were the future then the money would be pouring in surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
I would never in a million years buy an EV.....for many many reasons.....even excluding the fact I could not afford one.
I have a 2013 Mercedes B Class.....53k miles......get 45mpg around town and short journeys....and around 60mpg on a long journey......a journey of over 600 miles routine.....why would I change???
One of the biggest cons in motoring history.
Sorry, I don’t understand the con?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Electric vehicles might be too expensive or too impractical now (range, batteries, charging infrastructure) and I wouldn’t get one now even if I could afford it (too many long distance journeys in my life) but I can’t see anyone conning me. And in a few years time they may well make sense.
No one is confiscating your 2013 efficient but polluting gas guzzler either!
Not quite sure that theory about invested money stands up. Tesla has become one of the highest valued (ridiculously overvalued imo) companies in the world. Loads of investor money has flowed into battery ev's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I think this is more about an overly ambitious startup that tried to run before they could walk.
Having just watched the News at Ten tonight I have to agree with you. I didn't know the full story. However I'm still of the opinion that battery powered cars will go the way of Betamax unless there is some really dramatic breakthrough in battery technology pretty soon. Fuel cells will be the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
One horse is capable of producing 15 horse power, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Well, wait until the cost of electricity goes even higher, Taxes on them rise to compensate for lost fuel duty tax.... the lack of capacity to charge these EV. Diesel may well produce more emissions but taking the whole life of a car......the cost - and human suffering - of mining lithium for the batteries....and the eventual disposal of all such batteries, there is an arguement as to which is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
All the diesel cars in the world do not produce as much pollution as cows f**ting*. Maybe we should also get rid of them?
In the meantime India and China continue with coal....