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Originally Posted by City123

Hasn't Martin faced a different manager in each derby? I imagine that has something to do with how disjointed we are

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Yes, McCarthy, Morison, Hudson and Lamouchi.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Cardiff City, under this ownership anyway, has an addictive personality that, like the hopeless alcoholic, cannot keep it away from the thing which is so damaging to them/it. We have an unhealthy and completely illogical obsession with dated, long ball football where the skill to give and receive a pass is an optional extra and flair and creativity plays second fiddle to size and strength. After a half hearted attempt to kick the habit a few months back that only lasted ten games, we've been progressively falling further further back under the influence of the demon hoofball as the season has progressed - none of this fully explains why we go to pieces every time we face the jacks though, even this season we've beaten much better sides than them.

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And the attempt made under morison was never going to work, it was a reaction rather than a thought process. The club is lazy and it takes the lazy way out, time after time. We have two people in choo and Dalman who have no idea of what is needed, everything they do seems to be a reaction. We also seem to have plenty of fans who go along with shite hopeful football and see it as some kind of badge of honour, i don't know why that is-Is it social, demographic, historical, something to do with the make up of south wales, hard work, just get on with it, graft before guile?Idon't know, bit there seems to be an acceptance towards playing a style of football that even in the past 5 years has fallen of the proverbial cliff.

If we as a club carry on in the way that we are, then we are ****ed,because we are on the slide. Stagnation is the best we can hope for. Plenty of other clubs bring players in with potential and make them better, or improve young players who possess ability, we do neither, you could argue that we make them worse. There's a fundamental problem at the club and i'd say that it's the people or person who runs it, and He or they have got themselves in such a mess that turning around and starting again isn't an option anymore.

I don't rate Swansea, but one thing they have been decent at is improving players and making a profit on them. I don't rate Perry Ng or Wintle that much either, but i reckon that if they had ended up at Swansea then they would now be better players than they are with us, in fact, i'm certain of it, because both of them have a touch, and in wintle, he does have the ability to play with his head up. If he was playing for Swansea yesterday then i reckon that he would have murdered us with short passes and little movements to create angles etc. He doesn't have a chance with us. Something has to give.

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Originally Posted by goats

They’ve only won 4 games or so since November ffs….we always give them way too much respect. They were there for the taking, again.

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They raise their game, and we freeze it happens time after time!

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

City's season won't be defined by a home defeat to a lower half Championship club, and I've always been able to take the regular defeats to Swansea 'on the chin', so-to-speak. But today felt a particularly humiliating afternoon - their players broke ranks before the customary handshakes, their manager walked over to their fans before the game started and got them going, and the whole club and officials ended on the pitch when they scored their 3rd. They also looked full of confidence straight from the KO whilst we seemed like frightened rabbits in the headlights. The scenes at the final whistle were hard to take. Martin got it so right, from the start.

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It is pantomime season and they took full advantage - as we would do if it was us at their council owned show ground.
They didnt wn a cup yesterday - but they did win a "doube" as their infamous banner said.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

And the attempt made under morison was never going to work, it was a reaction rather than a thought process. The club is lazy and it takes the lazy way out, time after time. We have two people in choo and Dalman who have no idea of what is needed, everything they do seems to be a reaction. We also seem to have plenty of fans who go along with shite hopeful football and see it as some kind of badge of honour, i don't know why that is-Is it social, demographic, historical, something to do with the make up of south wales, hard work, just get on with it, graft before guile?Idon't know, bit there seems to be an acceptance towards playing a style of football that even in the past 5 years has fallen of the proverbial cliff.

If we as a club carry on in the way that we are, then we are ****ed,because we are on the slide. Stagnation is the best we can hope for. Plenty of other clubs bring players in with potential and make them better, or improve young players who possess ability, we do neither, you could argue that we make them worse. There's a fundamental problem at the club and i'd say that it's the people or person who runs it, and He or they have got themselves in such a mess that turning around and starting again isn't an option anymore.

I don't rate Swansea, but one thing they have been decent at is improving players and making a profit on them. I don't rate Perry Ng or Wintle that much either, but i reckon that if they had ended up at Swansea then they would now be better players than they are with us, in fact, i'm certain of it, because both of them have a touch, and in wintle, he does have the ability to play with his head up. If he was playing for Swansea yesterday then i reckon that he would have murdered us with short passes and little movements to create angles etc. He doesn't have a chance with us. Something has to give.

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Good post Tuerto and interesting stuff about Wintle and Ng :thumbup:

Tuerto always makes constructive well laid out posts and talks a lot of sense(apart from his blindspot with Colwill)
If you take his post to the next logical step as to why we don't appear to improve players, then it can only be that we don't have the right coaching staff in place with the ability to do that!
I'd like to think that the manager and his assistant Sol are looking at this from a fresh perspective and have identified that the backroom team are just not good enough.
We need to clear out the deadwood in the squad and behind the scenes.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Good post Tuerto and interesting stuff about Wintle and Ng :thumbup:

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Tend to agree.

Said elsewhere that over the years the way swansea play is like kryptonite to our incoherent approach to football and our annual punts of being a football club.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

Tuerto always makes constructive well laid out posts and talks a lot of sense(apart from his blindspot with Colwill)
If you take his post to the next logical step as to why we don't appear to improve players, then it can only be that we don't have the right coaching staff in place with the ability to do that!
I'd like to think that the manager and his assistant Sol are looking at this from a fresh perspective and have identified that the backroom team are just not good enough.
We need to clear out the deadwood in the squad and behind the scenes.

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This is arguably even more important now that we can't bring in anybody that costs a fee of any description for a fair while yet.