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Only on a Rolling Contract if we stay in Championship
Only on a Rolling Contract if we stay in the Championship
I think the football has improved under Lamouchi. I thought the second half yesterday was pretty decent stuff. And we've started scoring goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
In a world where we have little choice in terms of competent managers and quality players - he seems as good as any. Certainly better than Hudson, Morison, Harris and just about anyone else I can remember in recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
The players seem like they want to play for him, he is will regarded it seems by others in football. So lets give him a couple of seasons and see how it goes.
It depends on what if anything he can do in terms of new players / loans.
So it's a yes from me
Lamouchi has mentioned several times in press conferences that he didn’t sign any of these players. Pretty sure the deal to bring Kaba here was being negotiated before Lamouchi was appointed. The club has some sort of a recruitment team these days. Don’t know who’s involved but it was put in place while Neil Harris was the manager and Steve Morison mentioned it on several occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
You're right, there is a difference between not sacking and offering a new contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I think we are becoming less and less attractive as a club by the minute. It will eventually reach the point where only Jody Morris is interested in the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
So still above the relegation zone with a game in hand - win that and we're 6 points above the relegation zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Last I checked, Birmingham, Stoke, Hull, Bristol City and Coventry aren't in contention for relegation. The gap to them is thus irrelevant, you may as well cite the points gap to Burnley.Quote:
Before Lamouchi's first game, City were 3 points behind Birmingham, 4 points behind Stoke and Bristol City, 5 points behind Hull and 6 points behind Coventry. We're now 7 points behind Birmingham and Stoke, 10 points behind Hull and Bristol City, and 20 points behind Coventry.
Agree on hose, and that's the reason I'd not be in favour of hm getting a long term deal. I also think the style of play he wants, over the course of a season burns players out, as seen at Forest. We have less depth than they did, so could be a major problem next season.Quote:
Lamouchi's tactics have often been suspect, while his substitutions (or a lack of them) have sometimes been baffling. With the possible exception of Kion Etete, I don't think any of City's first team squad have improved at all since he took charge, and the team's increasing habit of starting matches slowly has become a real concern.
Lamouchi has kept a side lacking depth in the division, which was the goal he was set. He's got the best out of Kaba, seemingly. I could see him getting a one year deal.Quote:
It's obvious that another rebuild of sorts will be essential during the summer. Given what we've witnessed during the last three months, I'd be actively searching for a new manager if I was City's owner.
The point was that at one stage or another, people have believed the largely mediocre teams I mentioned could be dragged into the relegation battle. Indeed, some people believed the same was true of Swansea. However, since Lamouchi has been in charge, they have all pulled further clear from the relegation zone, while City haven’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
What happens with those clubs isn't and wasn't relative to our position or performances. What some people believe is also not really relevant. It would also need to factor strength of schedule in, injuries et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
With a game in hand, we've maintained the same points differential to the final relegation spot. The more games are played, then the less chance of a team overtaking as there are less opportunities for points remaining. I seem to recall in a previous post you (or Bob?) referred to how unlikely it would be for us to be overtaken due to teams below us not winning many games.
We've done what we needed to with a limited squad, matching results of teams below us. Lamouchi had a poor start, taking over a side lacking confidence and it's difficult to see or claim he's not got the players performing more as a team than Hudson did.
I've explained why I don't think he's the answer but keeping us up was what he was asked to do. Based on that, can see him getting another year but I'd not want him with a long term deal.
If the fans have to suffer any more ‘just enough’ football they will vote with their feet. If he stays we have to lift the energy and entertainment or he may as well pack his bags in May.
People keep saying this , but the fact is our average attendance currently stands at 19,120, which shows incredible loyalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
To lift the energy levels, you need a squad to rotate or have a team full of marathon runners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Agreed, but it’s not going to happen under the current ownership is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
How about we wait until we’re mathematically safe before saying Lamouchi has kept us up.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
When was the last time you saw a rolling contract in football?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Manager takes it, no guaranteed pay off if sacked.
Club offers it, manager can just up and leave whenever, if another club poached him then we'd have no compensation.
He either gets a contract or not. If we stay up I'd give him a year because I do not trust this board to hire someone better. He isn't an ideal candidate and I don't agree with the posters who have said he's improved us but look at our last 3 managers, that's the quality Tan thinks is acceptable
3 point lead over Reading, with a game in hand, still have to play Huddersfield who are currently a buffer to the relegation spots is a decent enough spot to be in.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Reading - play Wigan, Huddersfield. Can end up with 43, 44, 45, 46, 47 or 49 points. You'd expect a win against Wigan, both sides have something to play for in the final game. The goal difference, unless we implode, helps us so realistically, Reading need to win both games.
Huddersfield - play us then Reading. 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 or 50 points.Worse goal difference than us, we get a draw then the most then can end up on is 48. We win, then 47 is the most they can get meaning we'd need 1 point fom 2 games without conceding heavily.
Us - Rotherham, Huddersfield, Burnley. If we could get 2 points, then you're looking at Reading having to win both their games and have a goal difference swing.
It's entirely in our hands, Reading having to play Huddersfield helps us as a draw isn't great for either of them, a win for one means the other will struggle to get above us.
Huddersfield will feel they've the best run in, but again, it's in our hands. Get something out of the Rotherham game and we're basically safe imo.
So we've not really progressed, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
I thought a Rolling contract meant he would always have a year on him. So if sacked he would need to be paid a year and if someone else wanted him we would be entitled to compensation. That’s what I thought I remembered from Dave’s Jones rolling contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
That's a facile point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The aim of Lamouchi was hardly to get us into the playoffs was it? The goal was to stay up this season. To ignore the fact we've got results that didn't look likely at the latter end of Hudson's run is silly - are you confident we'd have done what we did at Watford under him?
Staying up by even goal difference means we've stayed in the division and staying up is what Lamouchi was engaged to do, It's silly to think otherwise; equally, what was the strength of schedule for Morison, Hudsons and Lamouchis stints if you want some nominal comparison? Even that is flawed anaysis as are all statistics.
We're 3 points clear with a game in hand. I'm sure you can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but the gap when Lamouchi took over was 3 point gap with the same number of points? Don't also forget we were playing Rotherham off the park before the game was called off - sure, still a half of football to play, but we were in a very good position. Stoke was 2 points dropped due to Kaba's penalty.
I've said I don't believe Lamouchi is the long term answer but to act as if he's not made some progress - Etete has come on, found the best position for Sawyers, or example is just being churlish.
Yesterday was the first game I'd watched in person under Lamouchi. The first 20 minutes was ridiculous. We were at home but allowed Stoke to stroll around with the ball unchallenged virtually everywhere on the pitch.
If that's Lamouchi's brand of football then it's a no for me. If the number of games is starting to show on the players, I thought we were woefully short of fitness early on in the season, then it's a maybe.
I do worry that the alternative is Bamba though if the club follow many of their recent appointments and only look within the club.
I'd be amazed if the next manager wasn't Nathan Jones if we do look outside the current staff.
Agree on Nathan Jones, if he's still available in summer I'd be surprised if he wasn't offered a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
No team presses 100% of the time, it's physically impossible. Conserving energy to press at specific times, sure.
Re our 2 points. How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
We draw with rotherham and burnley takes us to 48.
Reading win both games takes them to 49.
Hudderfield beat us and shef u (or maybe draw with shef u) takes them to 50 (or 48)
That equals we go down even if we dont lose either away game (assuming qpr and rotherham pick up 2 points or so)
Fat fingers - 3 not 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I personally don't see Reading winning both, don't see Huddersfield beating Sheff Utd either.
It;s all in our own hands.
I agree, we’re almost safe, Reading losing was a huge result for us, but after watching this team for forty three matches, it’s entirely possible that we end up with nothing from our final three games - before yesterday, Rotherham were on a good run and it’s Sods Law that we go up there and lose on Thursday. I have no faith in us whatsoever when we play at home and then we go to face the likely Championswho will owe their fans a performance after yesterday. I’ve thought we were going to stay up all season apart from one or two wobbles after dreadful home performances, but, as has been mentioned elsewhere, that penalty miss could turn out to be so important to our season.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
I don't buy into the penalty miss being important. A 46 game season, a single moment like that doesn't define the season, things always balance out. If we do get relegated, it's because we'll not have been good enough over the entire season.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Because they are nursing Ralls. I think he's not the only one either, O'Dowda is another. I think both these players are critical to our survival. I just think he's trying to keep the players he relies on fit hence the reason we are not running around like blue arse flies pressing. We may well see us stepping up a bit on Thursday as Rotherham represents the best chance of 3 points in the remaining games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
But it’s completely different missing a penalty on the first day of a season and missing one in your forty third match when you’re in a relegation battle and you’ve goals very hard to come by throughout the campaign - we’d be all but safe now if it had gone in.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
There are points throughout the season you can say exactly the same thing though. We've missed 80% of our penalties after all. Can easily point to our poor shot conversions throughout the season, individual defensive mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If we get relegated then it's because we weren't good enough across the entire season.
Make your mind up BobQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It’s potentially massive at this stage of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
I'm not really sure how we judge a manager who comes in to a team that has no pre-defined style or identity, suffering from low confidence and pretty directionless at the tail end of the season. Players are in the "red zone" and i assume training is not to the level or intensity it is in the 1st half of the season. Morrison didn't have enough time, nor Hudson, so i don't think Lamouchi has either.
Whilst we'll always attract managers, despite our shitty position ( who the F isn't in this league?), as they are driven by ego. It would be nice for a bit of continuity and i can't really put my finger on it but of the 3 managers we had this season, he seems to at least looks the part, whatever that is :shrug: The other 2 were imposers lol
If the other penalties had been converted, other chances converted earlier in the season then it's an irrelevance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
People focus on individual incidents, it's the whole season that matters.
The yellow card was not soft. He was in, Sawyers knew exactly what he was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
As for Lamouchi, it took him 3 games to work out what to do, and he's got 17 points from the 12 after that? I wouldn't be heart broken if he left but he's not done terribly. I don't think he'll stay, as it goes. He's been so noncommittal, I think he'll see it as a job well done and he'll go elsewhere as next season is going to be a lot harder.
I've been thinking the same, all lined up for Bamba to take over in the summer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
that wont be happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
Absolutely. It's the same as that Chelsea goal. Some reckon it cost us relegation, conveniently ignoring the rest of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
I know what you mean but there’s momentum, having to set up differently in different games if you only need a draw instead of a win etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
All in all you’re probably right but the butterfly effect and all that. You can’t really say either with certainty
I think I can. There were 7 games left after that Chelsea defeat. Had we won it we were still in the bottom 3. We still needed to chase games.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Our next fixture was Man City away, which we lost 2-0. Any momentum was gone there anyway.
After that we had the opportunity to beat Burnley, Fulham and Palace to stay up. We lost to them all. That wasn't because of one poor decision in the Chelsea match.
What I don’t get about arguments like this is that they imply that the team and supporters just carried on as if nothing had happened when that Chelsea goal was given and the penalty missed on Saturday. In both cases, the team were down the bottom of the table and yet you’re arguing that their attitude would be “oh well, never mind, let’s carry on as if nothing has happened” - I’ll never stop believing that the Chelsea goal had a huge negative impact on our survival chances in 18/19 and while Saturday’s penalty miss is not as big as that and Ivenever argued that it will be the sole reason for our relegation if we go down, it will be a moment when the doubts were increased. If our fate boils down to whether we score a penalty up at Burnley or not, the cumulative effect of our dismal record from the spot this season would put even more pressure on the taker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee