These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests

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Originally Posted by logic

So you'd be calling the police to report a crime that hadn't happened, which you had no knowledge of happening? Wouldn't that be wasting police time, hmm?

Knocking a door is a public order offence is it? You sure about that?

You know full well that with credible suspicion from your phone call, police would be entitled to pull me over.

Now, going back to the question that seems to be unanswered by people like you, how do you explain the very many protestors who were NOT arrested during the coronation then?

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You don't work in law enforcement do you?

Re your first point yes you absolutely can log calls with the police before things have happened and these are often used as evidence in court if something does then happen.

And yes maybe the police could speak to you and give you words of advice. If you ignored them that would also be used as evidence. They wouldn't need to arrest you.

Just because some people didn't get arrested for holding a placard (accepted) doesn't make it ok that others were. Is that the only argument? Ah but not everyone was arrested......

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Just because some people didn't get arrested for holding a placard (accepted) doesn't make it ok that others were. Is that the only argument? Ah but not everyone was arrested......

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Since you finally answered the question...

The argument made was that the powers in place were being used to stop protests.

You've accepted protests were allowed.

A small minority of protestors were arrested.

Do you now accept that maybe, just maybe, those arrests were nothing to do with the new powers and maybe due to having credible intelligence that the planned protests by that small group may not have been as peaceful as claimed?

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Originally Posted by logic

Since you finally answered the question...

The argument made was that the powers in place were being used to stop protests.

You've accepted protests were allowed.

A small minority of protestors were arrested.

Do you now accept that maybe, just maybe, those arrests were nothing to do with the new powers and maybe due to having credible intelligence that the planned protests by that small group may not have been as peaceful as claimed?

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The point though is the the arrests yesterday even if no credible threat or intelligence were still lawful. The new laws have made sure of that (hence the controversy) and just because not every single person was arrested doesn't mean many can't be- or weren't.

If there was a credible threat etc then as I said above many laws (which aren't controversial) are already in place to deal with.

Its clever PR from the tories. Use a law that already exists (note everyone defending the law is using laws that already existed to justify it) to justify bringing in a completely new law which gives a whole load of new powers of arrest.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

The point though is the the arrests yesterday even if no credible threat or intelligence were still lawful. The new laws have made sure of that (hence the controversy) and just because not every single person was arrested doesn't mean many can't be- or weren't.

If there was a credible threat etc then as I said above many laws (which aren't controversial) are already in place to deal with.

Its clever PR from the tories. Use a law that already exists (note everyone defending the law is using laws that already existed to justify it) to justify bringing in a completely new law which gives a whole load of new powers of arrest.

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So in that case, why were only a small minority of protestors arrested?

Why complain about the new powers when you're claiming the arrests were awful under the old ones - that indicates the new powers weren't being abused?

As usual it's got a be a Tory conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by logic

So in that case, why were only a small minority of protestors arrested?

Why complain about the new powers when you're claiming the arrests were awful under the old ones - that indicates the new powers weren't being abused?

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No. You are now claiming the arrests must have been due to some intelligence or conspiracy.for terrorism or something. I was saying if that was the case the new laws werent needed.

You have completely made this up yourself.and are proving the point. The people arrested were told what they were arrested for and it was the new laws that were used. The met have said what they were arrested for also.

So is your point the new laws were not actually used yesterday? Or is it they were used and they were used for purposes other than so far stated by the met?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

No. You are now claiming the arrests must have been due to some intelligence or conspiracy.for terrorism or something. I was saying if that was the case the new laws werent needed.

You have completely made this up yourself.and are proving the point. The people arrested were told what they were arrested for and it was the new laws that were used. The met have said what they were arrested for also.

So is your point the new laws were not actually used yesterday? Or is it they were used and they were used for purposes other than so far stated by the met?

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I'm saying that there's a good chance credible intelligence was used due to the fact a small minority of protestors were arrested.

The left have continually state the powers are used to suppress protests and that was the intent.

The powers used, as you claim, are nothing more than extensions of current law to cover the changes in protesting tactics and have clearly not been used to suppress lawful protest.

if police across the UK were using these powers, how come so few across the whole of the UK were arrested?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

You can’t arrest people based on ifs and buts. There had been meetings about this.

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Well,yes you can actually

When someone is arrested on suspicion of an offence it is often a case of ifs and buts.

"Credible intelligence"🤣🤣🤣

Remember, only protest if you and your group sit quietly in a corner, are quiet and don't inconvenience anybody. Be the good little plebs that you are and lick thy boot.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

Remember, only protest if you and your group sit quietly in a corner, are quiet and don't inconvenience anybody. Be the good little plebs that you are and lick thy boot.

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Apart from those protesting yesterday who were chanting, had placards which you conveniently ignore like a good little class warrior.

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Originally Posted by logic

I'm saying that there's a good chance credible intelligence was used due to the fact a small minority of protestors were arrested.

The left have continually state the powers are used to suppress protests and that was the intent.

The powers used, as you claim, are nothing more than extensions of current law to cover the changes in protesting tactics and have clearly not been used to suppress lawful protest.

if police across the UK were using these powers, how come so few across the whole of the UK were arrested?

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Or perhaps more likely maybe the mistake they made was discussing and agreeing locations and plans with the police.

The police perhaps then used this info to be waiting for them to arrest them and seize the vans with the placards in when they arrived at the agreed location.

We really could do with that forelock tugger Emoji - lots of them on here today.

https://twitter.com/richfelgate/stat...471959041?s=20

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Or perhaps more likely maybe the mistake they made was discussing and agreeing locations and plans with the police.

The police perhaps then used this info to be waiting for them to arrest them and seize the vans with the placards in when they arrived at the agreed location.

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Right, so having done that, they police then decided to just ignore those protestors chanting with placards then, why bother arresting those eh?

Must just have been a London thing go, given protestors around the UK not being arrested.

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Originally Posted by logic

Right, so having done that, they police then decided to just ignore those protestors chanting with placards then, why bother arresting those eh?

Must just have been a London thing go, given protestors around the UK not being arrested.

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Ah I see you are moving the debate entirely away from anyone who was arrested or the new laws and the only point you have left is to point out not every single person was arrested yesterday across the UK.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

We really could do with that forelock tugger Emoji - lots of them on here today.

https://twitter.com/richfelgate/stat...471959041?s=20

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Yes, a tweet with no context prior to the arrests is of course clear evidence of police evilness.

Still, a "journalist" embedded with Just Stop Oil, making a documentary on them couldn't possibly have reason to allege wrongdoing, eh?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Ah I see you are moving the debate entirely away from anyone who was arrested or the new laws and the only point you have left is to point out not every single person was arrested yesterday across the UK.

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No, the point being made was that people were whining whilst contradicting themselves.

"These laws stop peaceful protest!"

Peaceful protests abounded across the Uk, including Westminster.

You conveniently skirting round that because you'd rather pursue a "Tory, police evil!" dogma rather than accepting that maybe the small number of arrests were for good reason.

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Originally Posted by logic

Yes, a tweet with no context prior to the arrests is of course clear evidence of police evilness.

Still, a "journalist" embedded with Just Stop Oil, making a documentary on them couldn't possibly have reason to allege wrongdoing, eh?

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Sorry, I’ve decided not to bother with smug multis.

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Originally Posted by logic

No, the point being made was that people were whining whilst contradicting themselves.

"These laws stop peaceful protest!"

Peaceful protests abounded across the Uk, including Westminster.

You conveniently skirting round that because you'd rather pursue a "Tory, police evil!" dogma rather than accepting that maybe the small number of arrests were for good reason.

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This is the United Nations commenting on Sunak’s Public Order Act - the one that allowed the police to arrest peaceful protesters (even before they began protesting!).

“Deeply concerning”

“Incompatible… with human rights”

No they ain’t talking about Sudan, Iran, or Russia!

So you claim the United nations motivation for saying this is what? Are they pursuing an anti tory agenda also?

Coronation: Met Police express 'regret' over arresting six anti-monarchy protesters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007

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Originally Posted by logic

No, the point being made was that people were whining whilst contradicting themselves.

"These laws stop peaceful protest!"

Peaceful protests abounded across the Uk, including Westminster.

You conveniently skirting round that because you'd rather pursue a "Tory, police evil!" dogma rather than accepting that maybe the small number of arrests were for good reason.

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No way were they right.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Coronation: Met Police express 'regret' over arresting six anti-monarchy protesters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007

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Wonder what logic and jameswales will say about what the met now say themselves?!

All very predictable. There will be a review. Will say Lessons learned. Apologies will come. Then they will do it all again.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Peaceful protest is good, wilful disruption isn't.

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Peaceful protest does F*ck All!! The only time Thatcher's govt took notice of a protest was the Poll Tax Uprising. We need to be more like the French when protesting.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Peaceful protest does F*ck All!! The only time Thatcher's govt took notice of a protest was the Poll Tax Uprising. We need to be more like the French when protesting.

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Every farmer will sht themselves each time they get in their tractors, for fear of arrest.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Peaceful protest does F*ck All!! The only time Thatcher's govt took notice of a protest was the Poll Tax Uprising. We need to be more like the French when protesting.

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That’s why the French demonstrations are getting little or no coverage here.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Peaceful protest does F*ck All!! The only time Thatcher's govt took notice of a protest was the Poll Tax Uprising. We need to be more like the French when protesting.

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Lemmings jump off cliffs, they don't don't do uprisings!

We’re absolutely useless in this country.... Government...’You all have to work x amount of years more now before you can claim state pension, even though you men were always told it would be aged 65 when you were eligible’.... Us....’Ah well, there you go, never mind’

Government...’You women who worked as well as bringing up families all your life, you know you we told you that your state pension would kick in at 60, well, hard luck, it’s 67 now’..... WASPI women..’We’re not having that, we’re fighting for legitimate back pay’.....Government....’Oh, go away, you silly women’.

A prospective government will eventually give it to them no doubt when they’ve dwindled to a couple of hundred 90 odd year olds.

Our population is weak as f*ck, I envy the bollocks of the French masses.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

We’re absolutely useless in this country.... Government...’You all have to work x amount of years more now before you can claim state pension, even though you men were always told it would be aged 65 when you were eligible’.... Us....’Ah well, there you go, never mind’

Government...’You women who worked as well as bringing up families all your life, you know you we told you that your state pension would kick in at 60, well, hard luck, it’s 67 now’..... WASPI women..’We’re not having that, we’re fighting for legitimate back pay’.....Government....’Oh, go away, you silly women’.

A prospective government will eventually give it to them no doubt when they’ve dwindled to a couple of hundred 90 odd year olds.

Our population is weak as f*ck, I envy the bollocks of the French masses.

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Absolutely and they dont take puerile shit like monarchies. Frogs deserve piles of respect.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Absolutely and they dont take puerile shit like monarchies. Frogs deserve piles of respect.

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Frogs ? Hmmmm

Anyway, the coronation was the first test of the oppressive Public Order Act and the Met Police have messed up that test spectacularly.

These new laws allow those with power to silence those without. Not good

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Frogs ? Hmmmm

Anyway, the coronation was the first test of the oppressive Public Order Act and the Met Police have messed up that test spectacularly.

These new laws allow those with power to silence those without. Not good

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Many laws have been passed that were later recycled. We wouldn't have been locked down if it wasn't for a piece of 2008 legislation passed under Brown.

I would be very interested to see if there was any pressure from on high for the police to disrupt the entirely legitimate Republic protest.

Even if they had been "tipped off" that they were going to do something overly disruptive the police would have seen almost immediately that they were only there with pretty innocuous placards - no superglue or handcuffs etc and should have released them on the spot.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Many laws have been passed that were later recycled. We wouldn't have been locked down if it wasn't for a piece of 2008 legislation passed under Brown.

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I think as it was “global” we would have , and because it was global ………I think this chap has a point

https://twitter.com/jude99_/status/1...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

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Originally Posted by logic

"Hmm, that guy is looking a bit shifty with a backpack. No, I cant be suspicious, I'd have to wait for him to explode a bomb".

Plenty of protestors protested with zero problems.

Leaders on one group were nicked. Maybe, just maybe the police had inside intelligence as to what was being planned?

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Riddle me this, Mr No, how come the Met released them all with no further action if they had this "intelligence"?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I think as it was “global” we would have , and because it was global ………I think this chap has a point

https://twitter.com/jude99_/status/1...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

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All countries pass laws that can be repurposed. Let's see what happens with the WHO pandemic treaty.

If you think it won’t be you next, then read this. This arrest at the Coronation is an absolute cracker.

https://twitter.com/steverobson04/st...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

If you think it won’t be you next, then read this. This arrest at the Coronation is an absolute cracker.

https://twitter.com/steverobson04/st...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg

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arrested on no evidence and forced to miss a once I a lifetime event that she'd probably spent a fair bit on attending.
would she have grounds for some kind of compensation?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

arrested on no evidence and forced to miss a once I a lifetime event that she'd probably spent a fair bit on attending.
would she have grounds for some kind of compensation?

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She should really join the protestors next time.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

arrested on no evidence and forced to miss a once I a lifetime event that she'd probably spent a fair bit on attending.
would she have grounds for some kind of compensation?

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Absolutely she willl.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

If you think it won’t be you next, then read this. This arrest at the Coronation is an absolute cracker.

https://twitter.com/steverobson04/st...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg

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Disgraceful, this is the closest the UK has been to being a fascist state in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Disgraceful, this is the closest the UK has been to being a fascist state in my lifetime.

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That is absolutely ridiculous.

Because someone stood next to people who very very very likely were there to disrupt the event was held by mistake for a period of time and then released? In fascist states, such people don't get their stories shared on twitter!

For months and months Just Stop Oil have been completely disrupting people's livelihoods and day to day lives with numerous consequences.

It's very unfortunate for this lady and she should explore grounds for recourse. But fascism?

There quite literally are people in this country who would have gladly thrown a bomb at this event. Just Stop Oil are not like that, but the police had an incredibly difficult job. It's amazing how many people don't recognise it, jump on any issue and label it fascism.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

That is absolutely ridiculous.

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We’ve had this conversation before and I still think you’re wrong - what period of your life time better suits the description?

Surprised to see you in this thread again after your previous contributions to it.