Do you think that Sam Allardyce, Gareth Southgate, David Moyes etc could do what Pep has done at Man City?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Do you think that Sam Allardyce, Gareth Southgate, David Moyes etc could do what Pep has done at Man City?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
In this thread , pepQuote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
So Man City have spent 300 m more than Inter ?
Well that proves my point then doesn't it
Have Sam Allardyce and Moyes had access to the money pep has ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
In real terms , if they did then yes they could
The hugely paid pep the magnificent and his massive squad of huge talent , hugely paid players .......have won the league , the Cup and the champions leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It's hardly a surprise is it ?
People think he's the messiah?
Get out of here
£300m over 5 years isn’t much in football these days. Championship clubs spend that in a similar time period. We’ve spent about £80m in that time and have been cutting costs for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
City are the 4th highest spending team in the last 5 years. Inter are the 12th highest.
Inter Milan are hardly the plucky rebels against the evil Death Star. They’re a Chinese state backed club that spend hundreds of millions. Over £1B in the last decade.
Football has been about money for decades, just because it annoys you doesn’t change that.
Sludge you are getting boring here.
The big spenders have always won but only two managers in English football history have done the treble. There's clearly something there that sets both Guardiola and Fergie apart from the rest.
Man City have had unlimited funds for a while now but are miles better under Pep than they were under Hughes, Roberto Mancini or Manuel Pellegrini. Chelsea the same but couldn't do the treble under Jose and Newcastle won't under their manager.
So man City are 4th in the list of high spendersQuote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Inter are 12th
So man City are clearly at an advantage and a big one
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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Jose was the special one
Everyone was talking about a human being as if he was a robot
Fergies United were 2 late goals away from losing that treble
All this talk about these modern day managers with lots of money somehow walking on water is embarrassing
Some of you need to get a grip
Branding to sell a product.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
But they didn't lose and Fergie IMO is the best of the bunch as he's proved with a lowly Scottish team in Aberdeen to have something on his CV that Pep and the others never will.
No one says they walk on water but only an idiot would say that Pep's teams don't play good football. Yes they spend lots of money to get the players but as a coach he does things that the likes of Conte, Jose etc can't do.
I think saying greatest manager in the world etc is way over the topQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Fergie was a great manager but had loads of money behind him
Wether they play good football or not is not relevant
If pep loses his way .....which he will .....then his ability as a manager will show through if he's managing Everton down the bottom
If he's as good as people claim then he will have to get them in the top four , with little money ?
I think that would be a fair test
Thats the thing all the best managers have big money. Cloughie was a great but also broke a British transfer record.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The style of football and whether they win is all we can compare them on.
It would be a fair test but as we all realise its impossible. It's not a maths test where the first to finish is crowned the best.
I can only assume you are fishing in this thread.
Pep is a top Manager and could get Maguire to look a much better player than he currently is.
Where does Kevin De Bruyne sit in the Premier League’s greatest player list?
He’s such a magnificent player.
His vision and execution is unsurpassed as a creative midfielder to me.
I can’t believe that Chelsea binned him off.
He's had some terrible luck in the Champions League over the last few seasons, especially last year, they were the best team this year and deserved to win the Champions League absolutely no doubt about it and had a tough draw to get through to the final.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What a dope of course they couldn't :hehe: :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am having a debateQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Some of those involved are substandard
But I can only play what's in front of me
Pep made him better, Haaland looked really good, Pep has already made him better, Silva better, Gundagon better, Stones miles better, Rodri better, and go right through the team, and when they leave they get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
He's just about the best there has ever been.
And that's what he can do, improve very good players, get his ideas across and get them playing for him. Management isn't just about having talent and money at your disposal, i would have thought that knowing how to manage a high functioning workforce with the intelligence needed to do their job at the highest level isn't something that could be blagged, because He'd get found out, and he hasn't, because he knows what he is doing, he's intelligent. Imagine managing the best at what they do, world level operators, that must be so demanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Spot on, I forgot to add Grealish, he could have easily gone the other way, he is that type of character, but you can see he has completely bought into Pep, and will be fantastic next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Grealish was slipping last season as well, and it reinforced my view that he was worth 100 million, couldn't cut it, was just full of tricks, didn't get on it enough. I was wrong,Pep brought him back, sat him down and reset him,that doesn't happen often with players who go to these top end clubs, they sink, because it's all about the present.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Sludge is a bitter Man U fan of old and the true colours are coming out. So hard for him to accept that the noisy neighbours have finally stolen their thunder. All the evidence is there over the last 24 hours, it’s so bloody obvious. All the ‘greedy league’, ‘money corrupts’, ‘overpaid tossers’ etc is a cry for help, it’s killing him that Man U, his closet love, have been usurped by bloody Man City, Man, bloody, City of all clubs. It’s sticking out a mile. He tries so hard to include his Old Trafford heroes in his rants as a cover but you can barely hear it, his teeth are so gritted............Discuss!!
You’re daft. And you have a grudge against something you don’t even understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Man City are the 4th highest spenders yet came 1st. Clearly money, whilst being an important factor, isn’t the be all and end all in determining success.
Of the 3 higher spending clubs in the last 5 years, Barcelona and Juventus have won 7 titles, Chelsea have won 5.
Man City have won 14.
Your beloved Man Utd, who have spent only £20m less have won 1 title in the same period.
The truth is out now then? Sludge is a United fan. Makes sense really, the way he goes on about Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
No the truth isn't outQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I fecking hate United as much as Liverpool and all the other greedy ctts
Give it up, you're having a mareQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=Canton Kev;5428860]You’re daft. And you have a grudge against something you don’t even understand.
Man City are the 4th highest spenders yet came 1st. Clearly money, whilst being an important factor, isn’t the be all and end all in determining success.
Of the 3 higher spending clubs in the last 5 years, Barcelona and Juventus have won 7 titles, Chelsea have won 5.
Man City have won 14.
Your beloved Man Utd, who have spent only £20m less have won 1 title in the same period.[/QUOTE
I understand , money is almost certainly the most crucial factor in football
Why havnt Crystal Palace won the champions league ?
I understand that money is wrecking football
And the lifeblood of the game is struggling more and more as the power is being sucked up by the elite
And lots of people , including quite a few on here are putting these players , managers and clubs on a stage and saying oh we are not worthy
Well bollocks to that sycophantic nonsense
He will be rinsed in no time at all then you will have to find some other demi god
I am surrounded by lemons who watch too much sky TVQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
You yearn for the days when you beat Benfica on BBC in 1968:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
So he's only good because he played, managed, and succeeded at the highest level? What next? "a rainy Tuesday night in February"? Maybe you should watch a bit of Sky TV. At least then you'd have some idea of what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You think that Bob Paisley and Ferguson didn't have more money than other mangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There's having more moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Then there's having so much you can burn it
Come the day, hope the weather'll be better for them in HornchurchQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think a lot of the pep loving is ott. 7 years to win the champions league at man city, with a lot of chances blown due to him making ridiculous decisions in big games. Except of course, when it comes to pep they aren't described as mistakes. People say he overthought !
In terms of him 'recruiting' players. I was under the impression man city are one of the clubs that do transfers by committee, rather than all down to manager. So more of a team effort in that respect than all down to him. Although happy to be corrected on that point.
Equally, to say the success is entirely down to money and that anyone could have done it is also wrong. The likes of Everton and Chelsea are great examples of that
The adulation of a bloke paid very highly to manage very well paid players is more than a little OTTQuote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
It's bordering on Donny Osmond teenage hysteria
People will be fainting if Man City do it again next year
Unless they get relegated for FFP :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What's the pay got to do with it? People are talking about his brand of football, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If a club does back-to-back trebles? Yes, people will be losing their shit over that. OK, both cup finals weren't classics but they were won. And Man City were never behind. Chrisp_1927 made a valid point with the overthinking. Overthinking is making a mistake. But give credit where credit is due. Who's going to win the League next season? Klopp? Eddie Howe? Arteta? Jack Grealish has been transformed from a big fish in a small pond into a world-class and highly influential player. A champion and a Champions League winner. Don't forget that Brian Clough won the European Cup with the world's first million pound player. Paisley, Ferguson, they all had the best players. So did Ajax, so did Bayern. Give a shout out to Ron Saunders who didn't even manage in the final if you must.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well clearly if you can't see the link between highly paid players and managers tending to get the best results then it's back to the classroomQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Credit and praise is one thingQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
It seems pep invented football reading and listening to a lot of stuff
Which would be hilarious 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1