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13-06-23, 10:42
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sorry to be the one to not celebrate the death of a human being, Sludge. It's no bad principle really.

You soppy tart 😂
13-06-23, 10:52
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You soppy tart 😂

It's no soppy Sludge. It's a basic decency of not revelling in someone's death. It's bad karma aside from anything else, and best avoided.

As an aside, it also weakens the argument people use against her. If the kind of person who revels in someone dying doesn't like a particular person because they are 'evil' it does rather undermine their argument.
13-06-23, 11:04
Jordi Culé

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's no soppy Sludge. It's a basic decency of not revelling in someone's death. It's bad karma aside from anything else, and best avoided.

As an aside, it also weakens the argument people use against her. If the kind of person who revels in someone dying doesn't like a particular person because they are 'evil' it does rather undermine their argument.

There's a group of lads who every year hold a 'Thatchers Still Dead' party in the local social club by me.

You want an invite for next April?
13-06-23, 11:08
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

There's a group of lads who every year hold a 'Thatchers Still Dead' party in the local social club by me.

You want an invite for next April?

Ur alright mate, sounds a bit weird, but thanks for the offer! 👍🍻
13-06-23, 11:12
Jordi Culé

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Ur alright mate, sounds a bit weird, but thanks for the offer! 👍🍻

I could get you in if you change your mind.

It'll be good for them to listen to a different point of view.
13-06-23, 11:24
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I could get you in if you change your mind.

It'll be good for them to listen to a different point of view.

Will there be a buffet? And if so would they be whole pork pies and scotch eggs cut into quarters (good) or mini versions of them? (Bad).
13-06-23, 11:30
bigjoe

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Will there be a buffet? And if so would they be whole pork pies and scotch eggs cut into quarters (good) or mini versions of them? (Bad).

Traditional way: hanged, drawn and quartered. Ok with you?
13-06-23, 12:13
Jordi Culé

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Will there be a buffet? And if so would they be whole pork pies and scotch eggs cut into quarters (good) or mini versions of them? (Bad).

Don't be so uncouth.

They have a special dish of Maggie Flambé.

Basically torched cow.
13-06-23, 13:12
J R Hartley

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I could get you in if you change your mind.

It'll be good for them to listen to a different point of view.

Not sure someone with his political beliefs and passive aggression would last long in Aberfan mate
13-06-23, 15:32
NYCBlue

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

You're a right piece of work aren't you. 'ard as nails..

Do you think Vladimir Putin deserves to live? Look at all the people whose lives he has ended or destroyed. If someone were to ask you "shall we take him out?" what would you say?
13-06-23, 16:10
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Do you think Vladimir Putin deserves to live? Look at all the people whose lives he has ended or destroyed. If someone were to ask you "shall we take him out?" what would you say?

Ah yes, the U.S. perspective on war, "take him out". You probably don't realise it but this war isn't between Russia and Ukraine. The U.S. are happy to sponsor it for as long as possible. Parents in Ukraine and Russia are receiving the remains of their sons in pieces, wrapped in plastic. Oh, and..

Here is a list* of the countries bombed and/or invaded by the United States from the end of the Second World War to 2020:
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958 Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-2000s, 2015-
Iran 1987
Korea 1950-53
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986, 2011-
Nicaragua 1980s
Pakistan 2003, 2006- Palestine 2010
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-
Sudan 1998
Syria 2014-
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002, 2009-
Yugoslavia 1999

Note that these countries represent roughly one-third of the people on earth.
13-06-23, 17:55
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Ah yes, the U.S. perspective on war, "take him out". You probably don't realise it but this war isn't between Russia and Ukraine. The U.S. are happy to sponsor it for as long as possible. Parents in Ukraine and Russia are receiving the remains of their sons in pieces, wrapped in plastic. Oh, and..

Here is a list* of the countries bombed and/or invaded by the United States from the end of the Second World War to 2020:
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958 Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-2000s, 2015-
Iran 1987
Korea 1950-53
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986, 2011-
Nicaragua 1980s
Pakistan 2003, 2006- Palestine 2010
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-
Sudan 1998
Syria 2014-
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002, 2009-
Yugoslavia 1999

Note that these countries represent roughly one-third of the people on earth.

Contrary to the comment I highlighted, there is a concern that the US would probably not be content to keep supporting Ukraine should Trump be elected again. And despite extensive US aggression as you have highlighted, the war in Ukraine is an example of Russian expansionism.
13-06-23, 18:07
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Contrary to the comment I highlighted, there is a concern that the US would probably not be content to keep supporting Ukraine should Trump be elected again. And despite extensive US aggression as you have highlighted, the war in Ukraine is an example of Russian expansionism.

No doubt it is, but this is becoming a war by proxy.
13-06-23, 20:10
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Not sure someone with his political beliefs and passive aggression would last long in Aberfan mate

Passive aggression? Even if that was true, passive aggression is better than real

I'm pretty certain that not everyone in Aberfan has homogenous views on the topic
13-06-23, 20:10
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Do you think Vladimir Putin deserves to live? Look at all the people whose lives he has ended or destroyed. If someone were to ask you "shall we take him out?" what would you say?

Do you believe in the death penalty?
13-06-23, 20:23
Rjk

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Do you believe in the death penalty?

that's slightly different though isn't it, I don't support the death penalty at all, but if someone is running down queen street firing an assault rifle then I would want the police to stop them by any means necessary
13-06-23, 20:41
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Rjk

that's slightly different though isn't it, I don't support the death penalty at all, but if someone is running down queen street firing an assault rifle then I would want the police to stop them by any means necessary

I agree, of course he should be stopped at whatever costs.

I don't think Silvio Berlusconi or Margaret Thatcher ran down Queen St killing people with assault rifles though, although I may have missed it.
13-06-23, 21:11
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

No doubt it is, but this is becoming a war by proxy.

I think we all know that and have done from shortly after it started.
13-06-23, 21:12
Jordi Culé

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Passive aggression? Even if that was true, passive aggression is better than real

I'm pretty certain that not everyone in Aberfan has homogenous views on the topic

They may well do in a social club that’s the venue for ‘Thatchers Still Dead’ do butt:thumbup:

Starmer once visited there so you never know if he returns on that day you won’t be the only Tory.:biggrin:
13-06-23, 21:18
Rjk

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I agree, of course he should be stopped at whatever costs.

I don't think Silvio Berlusconi or Margaret Thatcher ran down Queen St killing people with assault rifles though, although I may have missed it.

nobody is saying that they should have been killed though, people are saying they aren't sad that they're dead
13-06-23, 21:32
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Rjk

nobody is saying that they should have been killed though, people are saying they aren't sad that they're dead

People are doing more than that, some have revelled in death and I think that's a grim thing to do, whether you are talking about a politician you didn't like, or football fans you don't like, or a person you didn't like.

It's just bad karma, fairly gross etc. They are free to do it, although interestingly that guy at Wembley in the '97 Not Enough' shirt was arrested.
13-06-23, 21:43
Rjk

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

People are doing more than that, some have revelled in death and I think that's a grim thing to do, whether you are talking about a politician you didn't like, or football fans you don't like, or a person you didn't like.

It's just bad karma, fairly gross etc. They are free to do it, although interestingly that guy at Wembley in the '97 Not Enough' shirt was arrested.

didn't have you down as a pearl clutcher tbh
13-06-23, 21:47
JamesWales

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Rjk

didn't have you down as a pearl clutcher tbh

I'm not really. I just find it particularly unsavoury to revel in someone death.
13-06-23, 22:19
Barmy

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'm not really. I just find it particularly unsavoury to revel in someone death.

I would have happily pulled the trigger on that cow
13-06-23, 23:45
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

People are doing more than that, some have revelled in death and I think that's a grim thing to do, whether you are talking about a politician you didn't like, or football fans you don't like, or a person you didn't like.

It's just bad karma, fairly gross etc. They are free to do it, although interestingly that guy at Wembley in the '97 Not Enough' shirt was arrested.

Please get out of the sewer

Thatcher was an 87 year old woman who as a politician was in the front line . Lots of public figures are scorned .

The twat in the t shirt was mocking the horrific mass deaths of innocent men , women and kids

Now behave yourself you daft clown
14-06-23, 00:31
NYCBlue

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Contrary to the comment I highlighted, there is a concern that the US would probably not be content to keep supporting Ukraine should Trump be elected again. And despite extensive US aggression as you have highlighted, the war in Ukraine is an example of Russian expansionism.

This. And of course, Putin was emboldened by Trump in the first place. Without Trump, this doesn't happen.
14-06-23, 00:36
NYCBlue

Re: Berlusconi

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

People are doing more than that, some have revelled in death and I think that's a grim thing to do, whether you are talking about a politician you didn't like, or football fans you don't like, or a person you didn't like.

It's just bad karma, fairly gross etc. They are free to do it, although interestingly that guy at Wembley in the '97 Not Enough' shirt was arrested.

You should want your enemies dead. It's how revolution happens. It's why we don't have the royal family on our money. It's why France is a democratic state. It's why people gave their lives on D-day. They didn't storm those beaches to have a discussion. They laid down their lives to rid the world of a tyrant.

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