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I don't agree with the 'relegation bad for his CV' argument comment either. He's joined Sheff United, Venezia and Spezia, they mjst have been among the favourites for relegation. He will probably learn more from those experiences than finishing mid table.
He's still 22 which is young for his position. Some top CB's & DM's were relatively unheard of at that age,
Like who?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Who are these top centre halfs and DMs who were not heard of at 22/23?
at the same age Harry Maguire was on loan in the championship at Wigan, Virgil Van Dyke was playing in Holland and about to go and play in the SPL, Thaigo Silva was still playing in BrazilQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Spezia had been in Serie A for 3 seasons, relegated the year he joined them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Same for Sheffield United.
Venezia two seasons in Serie A, relegated the year he joined them.
They may not have been the best clubs to join but that doesnt mean they were favourites for relegation either.
You also have to ask why are these clubs the best option when hes supposedly one of the "brightest young talents in Europe" or so WB keeps telling us.
Harry Maguire :hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I don't see him ever making it at a champions league level club, it could still happen but probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
he will be a top division player though
:shrug: he's got like 50 England caps, a bunch of champions League performances, big money move.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I'd be pretty pleased if Ampadu ends up having a career as good as he has.
For f uck s sake, let’s hope he doesn’t come here :hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
If Harry Maguire is a "Top" player there is still hope for me to make it in the pro game at 46.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
From one of the brightest young talents in Europe to being pretty pleased to have as good a career as Harry Maguire is some climb down for poor Ethan.
No there isn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You are too skinny
And can't tackle
Sorry
Was our best player at the World Cup.
Scrap that.
Was our only semi-decent player at the World Cup.
IndeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
Bale , Ramsey ........awol
I never said he was one of the brightest young talents in EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
It'll be interesting where he plays next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He would obviously benefit with a club who are not favourites to get relegated but he does need to eliminate the mistakes he regularly commits.
Hopeful for him (and Wales) if a club like Fiorentina or Bologna took a punt on him.
He is statistically if you believe in analytics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He joined both Spezia & Venezia on deadline day as Chelsea messed him around which can't have helped himQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
FFS :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
How do you know it was because Chelsea messed him around? Maybe there was not enough concrete interest from someone better to sign him? Maybe it was down to Ampadu and his agent waiting for something better to materialise and it didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I think thats about his level - mid range club in a foreign league. I think the Premier League is too intense for his style of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I know you didnt but the reason we get these counter threads on him is because Wales Bales has spent the last 5 years telling us that he is and that Ampadu is the second coming of Franz Beckenbaur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Hes 23 in September and people are still talking about him like hes 17/18. If he truly was the next big thing in Europe for his position he would be playing Champions League by now.
I read quite a bit about football analytics and that's just not trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Sounded good though :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He was set to join Newcastle on loan early in the window, he was kept around and then off to Venezia on deadline day. He was kept around this summer as cover and was sent out on deadline day with a clutch of other players. Chelsea's "Loan farm" system seemed to be better planned than it is now and players are suffering as a result. It's not just Ampadu, look at someone like Harvey Vale, around their first team in 21/22, sent to Hull on deadline day this summer, played 2 games and back to Chelsea in JanuaryQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Ampadu isn't the worldbeater WB says he is, but he's also better than the likes of Spezia & Venezia
Or can look at Ian Maatsen and Levi Colwill who have excelled on loan in recent seasons and Colwill has now been called up to the England seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Connor Gallagher, Mason Mount, Trevor Chalobah have all broken through at Chelsea after a period on loan.
Surely if Ampadu was the world beater that WB insists he is he would have had a concrete loan to somewhere better, or been given the opportunity at Chelsea.
"Chelsea's "Loan farm" system seemed to be better planned than it is now", i.e. they used to be better at it. Also those players didn't join their clubs on deadline day. Ampadu's been messed around a bit for whatever reason, he's been in this limbo where he's been considered a decent cover option if they can't get their targets, leading to him scrambling for a move when they inevitably do. His big mistake has been not looking to force a move from Chelsea and stupidly signing a longer deal with themQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Yep, he should have flown the nest, but I wouldn't say his time in Italy has been wasted, as he has played regularly while being under constant pressure from opposing teams. Not many players have to defend for 90 minutes week after week in a game of attackers v defenders :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Connor Gallagher joined West Brom on loan in mid September. Just feels like youre making excuses for him. Its a season long loan, so what if he joined on deadline day.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
At some point, especially after 4 years on loan, you cant keep blaming the loan system or quality of teams loaned to. If youre going to the top youll shine wherever you go on loan.
Is going somewhere like Huddersfield or Lorient any better than Spezia or Venezia?
That was the covid season though which messes with timings, he'd played for Swansea on July 29th. Ampadu joined Sheffield United about a week before and I wasn't moaning about that being an issue for him. Everything was odd then.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Professionals bang on about the importance of pre season, joining that late is hardly ideal especially if you don't know the language.
A loan to a decent side is better than a loan to a bad side
Are you Wales Bales in disguise? Are yoooo Wales Bales in disguise? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Yes pre-season is obviously important from a fitness point of view but he had plenty of game time with Chelsea last pre season i understand.
I'm bookmarking this thread :biggrin:
He has played Champions League, he had a great game in the knockouts for Leipzig against spurs:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
https://www.90min.com/posts/6561017-...lsea-next-year
Granted it may be his only appearance due to injuries :hehe:
I think he hasn't been handled well by Chelsea, which can be said for a lot of their players. I still think he'll go on to have a career at the top level.
He can obviously read the game as the amount of interceptions he's succeeded whilst playing for Spezia evidences.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I agree with you, he's not quick enough or dynamic enough to succeed in the Premier League.
He's like a poor man's Joe Allen.
*casts rod*
He's a very good player, but I don't think he does enough with the ball to play in midfield at the top level (champions league) and makes too many errors in defence to be a central defender at that level also. I think long term he will be a ball playing central defender at a mid table premier league side or other top european league. Which is still really good - wales need more players at that level.
I think some decent teams will show some interest if he becomes available.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Another Welsh player viewed through the rose tinted specs. No doubt he's a player, he's at Chelsea and played in Serie A, where he ends up could be anywhere between Fulham and Plymouth.
However, say he wasn't Welsh and he has the exact international record in N. Irelnad for example and we went to sign him....can you imagine this board :hehe:
The board would turn their nose up at a 42 time international who's played at a Euros and a World Cup, 2 seasons in Serie A and 1 in the Premier League before he turns 23?Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
You have seen the state of our squad right? People lauded the signing of Andy Rinomhota
If he wasn't Welsh he'd wouldn't be on the radar, he'd be as well known as Spezia, is all i'm saying. Good player, i'm just not sure where his level is and that his talent might be slightly overstated.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Sam Ricketts got over 50 caps for Wales, not always a barometer of success. :thumbup:
Sam Ricketts get over 50 caps for a Wales team that qualified for a European Championship and World Cup? Did he get them before he turned 23? Completely pointless comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Even if he wasn't well known, if Ampadu was Northern Irish with the pedigree he has then fans certainly wouldn't turn their noses up at him
You are Wales Bales and I claim my £5Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Like you alluded too, this age shit is just lazy nonsense. Ampadu is now a fully developed pro, All of this 'He's Young' 'Will Develop' etc is off the mark in my opinion. What you see now isn't going to change a great deal in terms of ability, pace, positioning, intelligence, he's almost 23 and he developed early. Some players just do, And in football terms he isn't that young given his experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley