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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
Looking at the reality of things seems to be a no-no on here if that look ends up not being full of positivity. Here's my take on transfers so far.
Kipre out, Goutas in. Kipre was our best centre back last season by a distance. Who knows if Goutas is as good? Maybe he will be. Let's hope so because if he isn't we're in the shit. Ng was average at centre back when played there, McGuinness is debatably more a League 1 player and prone to the odd mistake. Then we have Jack Simpson. Christ. Goutas the unknown apart, that's the worst we've had in centre defence arguably since we were last in the third tier. No reason for optimism there.
Watters/Harris/Kaba/Philogene out, Meite/Ugbo/Grant in. Grant should be an improvement there, but Philogene will be missed. The others fail to inspire me so far. Hopefully I'll be wrong. Shame we lost Kaba, but Harris and Watters aren't good enough at this level.
Ramsey in. Hopefully he'll inspire and get an extra bit out of the players we have around him. His influence will be absolutely crucial.
Hopefully we'll get full seasons out of Adams and Collins. They look capable of being better than we have. Colwill needs to step up to the plate.
Some will call me negative without being remotely interested in offering different opinions. I don't give a shit about that.
There's the potential for things to be better than last season but I fear it will all be unravelled because of a lack of quality still in midfield and at the back.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
I don’t understand why people are flapping and doom mongering when we are nowhere near the end of the transfer window. Maybe give the new manager a chance to finish assembling his squad before you decide it’s not good enough?
Isn't that what others are doing - looking at the situation as it stands and commenting on it?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Looking at the reality of things seems to be a no-no on here if that look ends up not being full of positivity. Here's my take on transfers so far.
Kipre out, Goutas in. Kipre was our best centre back last season by a distance. Who knows if Goutas is as good? Maybe he will be. Let's hope so because if he isn't we're in the shit. Ng was average at centre back when played there, McGuinness is debatably more a League 1 player and prone to the odd mistake. Then we have Jack Simpson. Christ. Goutas the unknown apart, that's the worst we've had in centre defence arguably since we were last in the third tier. No reason for optimism there.
Watters/Harris/Kaba/Philogene out, Meite/Ugbo/Grant in. Grant should be an improvement there, but Philogene will be missed. The others fail to inspire me so far. Hopefully I'll be wrong. Shame we lost Kaba, but Harris and Watters aren't good enough at this level.
Ramsey in. Hopefully he'll inspire and get an extra bit out of the players we have around him. His influence will be absolutely crucial.
Hopefully we'll get full seasons out of Adams and Collins. They look capable of being better than we have. Colwill needs to step up to the plate.
Some will call me negative without being remotely interested in offering different opinions. I don't give a shit about that.
There's the potential for things to be better than last season but I fear it will all be unravelled because of a lack of quality still in midfield and at the back.
Abandon hope all ye who enter here !
Stick to the darts sonny ff sake
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Isn't that what others are doing - looking at the situation as it stands and commenting on it?
The ones who are looking at things like you are miserable gits with black glasses on carrying a copy of the book of the dead
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Isn't that what others are doing - looking at the situation as it stands and commenting on it?
A number of posts I’ve read in this thread are predicting a poor season based on an unfinished squad. It’s like picking the winner of the Grand National when only 5 out of 40 horses have been announced
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
A number of posts I’ve read in this thread are predicting a poor season based on an unfinished squad. It’s like picking the winner of the Grand National when only 5 out of 40 horses have been announced
But that's just the feeling as things stand at the moment, unless you're suggesting everyone doesn't have an opinion until the squad is completed?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The ones who are looking at things like you are miserable gits with black glasses on carrying a copy of the book of the dead
Water off a duck's back, mate. At least I'm giving thoughts on what's going on instead of piss all like you.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
But that's just the feeling as things stand at the moment, unless you're suggesting everyone doesn't have an opinion until the squad is completed?
Absolutely not what I’m saying. People saying we could do with players in a, b or c positions or we are going to struggle is very different to we are going to struggle this season.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
[QUOTE=rich munn;5440768][QUOTE=OurManFlint II;5440693Only the Welsh goggles think Ramsey will be a success, almost everyone else think he's finished.
This is an example of the stupidity of social media.
How anyone could make such a crass comment as a fact and get away with it is beyond me. I don't know whose Man Flint you are but they are welcome to you.
:ayatollah:[/QUOTE]
sorry to many typos or pints, not sure on your point but love your optimism...me, i'm an optimism with experience :frown:
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Eric the Half a Bee
Water off a duck's back, mate. At least I'm giving thoughts on what's going on instead of piss all like you.
They are nonsense statements from inside a damaged brain
We could beat Swansea ten nil and you would moan it wasn't eleven
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
bluesp
Absolutely not what I’m saying. People saying we could do with players in a, b or c positions or we are going to struggle is very different to we are going to struggle this season.
Are the last two parts of your sentence the same thing ?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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2b2bdoo
It leaves question marks over the manager for me if he can’t see it.
Under an embargo, right, what an idiot this manager is....transfer kitty for the next 5 years already gone to Nantes. The poor f*cker is juggling plates and people want more...For Cardiff to come close to break even they probably need a wage budget of 4k across 23 players.
Honestly, who is going to buy anybody from our squad, secondly where is the money coming from to fund such luxuries of a new keeper on a free, no less :hehe: ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Are the last two parts of your sentence the same thing ?
Nope. The latter point is about people presuming we will struggle this season before the manager has finished building his squad
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
They are nonsense statements from inside a damaged brain
We could beat Swansea ten nil and you would moan it wasn't eleven
Over to you. I'm interested to hear why you think they are nonsense statements. Be prepared to back up your arguments.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
bluesp
Nope. The latter point is about people presuming we will struggle this season before the manager has finished building his squad
Yes, but they're only doing so based on what's happened so far, which is why I asked whether posters shouldn't have an opinion until the squad is completed. You've said they are allowed an opinion before then, which is what they're giving.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
Nope. The latter point is about people presuming we will struggle this season before the manager has finished building his squad
What's the middle bit about then ?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, but they're only doing so based on what's happened so far, which is why I asked whether posters shouldn't have an opinion until the squad is completed. You've said they are allowed an opinion before then, which is what they're giving.
Of course everyone can have an opinion, I’m all for free speech. It just seems strange to me to predict a poor season before we know the full squad available.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Over to you. I'm interested to hear why you think they are nonsense statements. Be prepared to back up your arguments.
You don't set the rules sonny
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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SLUDGE FACTORY
What's the middle bit about then ?
Are you being silly Sludge?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
bluesp
Nope. The latter point is about people presuming we will struggle this season before the manager has finished building his squad
So is the other one ff sake
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
Of course everyone can have an opinion, I’m all for free speech. It just seems strange to me to predict a poor season before we know the full squad available.
Yeah but how....how we going to "finish business", with no money, boarding FFP, and a transfer embargo?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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OurManFlint II
Yeah but how....how we going to "finish business", with no money, boarding FFP, and a transfer embargo?
We seem to be doing ok so far, and there’s loans available and players to leave also
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
Are you being silly Sludge?
We are going to struggle
We are going to struggle this season
That's your sentence composition and as far as I can see there is no difference ....
You say there is
I am stranded on the island of confusion here mate
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
We are going to struggle
We are going to struggle this season
That's your sentence composition and as far as I can see there is no difference ....
You say there is
I am stranded on the island of confusion here mate
How’s this:
A) People saying we could do with players in a, b or c positions or we are going to struggle
B) is very different to we are going to struggle this season. ( so not factoring in any new additions whilst predicting a poor campaign)
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Originally Posted by
bluesp
How’s this:
A) People saying we could do with players in a, b or c positions or we are going to struggle
B) is very different to we are going to struggle this season. ( so not factoring in any new additions whilst predicting a poor campaign)
That's better
Now you are speaking my language
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You don't set the rules sonny
Nicely avoided and useful for future reference.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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bluesp
Nope. The latter point is about people presuming we will struggle this season before the manager has finished building his squad
This time last summer we had brought in Kipre on loan, but not Philogene - and Kaba was 6 months in the future. We hadn't signed Etete or Robinson either - although both those were for fees which we can't do this window. I expect 3 more in - and I'm sure they will change the look of the squad.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Eric the Half a Bee
Nicely avoided and useful for future reference.
I can't be arsed debating with the most miserable pundit on here .......equals avoidance
I can deal with that
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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jon1959
This time last summer we had brought in Kipre on loan, but not Philogene - and Kaba was 6 months in the future. We hadn't signed Etete or Robinson either - although both those were for fees which we can't do this window. I expect 3 more in - and I'm sure they will change the look of the squad.
Spot on
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I can't be arsed debating with the most miserable pundit on here .......equals avoidance
I can deal with that
In fairness, you've spent decades avoiding debate when it suits you.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Eric the Half a Bee
In fairness, you've spent decades avoiding debate when it suits you.
In fairness that's cobblers
Stick to jocky wilson
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
Taking a positive slant on things, we've now got two goods players back (Collins and Robinson), who both missed a substantial number of games last season, a proven goalscorer in Karlan Grant, a certain Aaron Ramsey and the promise of at least three more additions before the season starts.
Although nothing can be taken for granted in this league, for the life of me I cannot understand why many on here seem so fearful of our chances this season. The friendlies were used to raise fitness levels and try out different players and systems so should not be used as a barometer of our future success or otherwise. It is very likely our squad will bear little resemblance to the current one in a few weeks time.
Another factor that has been overlooked is that come January, the embargo will have been lifted and we will be able to play the market again should funds be available, which I'm reasonably certain they will be. At the end of last season, the feeling of doom was palpable. By and large the feelgood factor has returned and a defeat against one of the best teams in Europe shouldn't change this.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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SLUDGE FACTORY
In fairness that's cobblers
Stick to jocky wilson
He's right though, old chum.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
OurManFlint II
Under an embargo, right, what an idiot this manager is....transfer kitty for the next 5 years already gone to Nantes. The poor f*cker is juggling plates and people want more...For Cardiff to come close to break even they probably need a wage budget of 4k across 23 players.
Honestly, who is going to buy anybody from our squad, secondly where is the money coming from to fund such luxuries of a new keeper on a free, no less :hehe: ?
The same as the rest free transfer or a loan, probably a premier League young keeper.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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jon1959
This time last summer we had brought in Kipre on loan, but not Philogene - and Kaba was 6 months in the future. We hadn't signed Etete or Robinson either - although both those were for fees which we can't do this window. I expect 3 more in - and I'm sure they will change the look of the squad.
Agreed that's the reported situation, we will need them.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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North Cardiff Blue
Too right sacked by Christmas.
It's not only making saves that make a keeper so important it's instilling confidence in the defence like Marshall used to and commanding his area.
A keeper is the number one priority.
Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.
Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.
I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.
Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.
Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Taunton Blue Genie
Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.
He was shouting and organising, he was respected and trusted, and he calmed the defence, they were not panicking and worried as to whether he would come and take the ball or not, I dispute that he never left his line also, that's certainly not how I remember him.
When you have a good keeper, it's not always spectacular saves, because a good keeper has good angles and is rarely beaten, so sometimes you'll look back and say they had no real chances, that's because a good keeper will be in the right place at the right time narrow the angle and make it look easy, the same as a good Striker doing the opposite.
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Hilts
Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.
I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.
Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.
Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.
Exactly a hell of a coincidence that he was relegated two seasons in a row and almost three.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
Well at least the fans that went to pre seasons at home and then Portugal were supportive - apparently the Swans were booed off at half time in their game with Oxford and cheers went up when the swans keeper caught the ball - that is another level degree of entitlement
