Added Time. A Mistake ?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Teams will be setting themselves up every time the ball stops. A formation for a goal kick on the left, a formation for a throw-in in your own half near the halfway line. And the clock is off, so players can wander into position.

I can't believe so many people think they want this to happen.

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Football is far too fast paced to play on a stop clock imo. Refs just need to be given more power to clamp down on blatant time wasting.

A good start would be clamping down on the 6 second rule wirh GKs. Giving a few indirect free kicks early in the season which leads to goals conceded will soon sort that out.

The only argument I could make for stopping a clock in football is when the game has stopped for VAR or when a goal is scored. stopping it every time the ball goes out of play ie throw, goalkick, corner is not practical.

I think we’ll see the amount of added time being reduced as the season goes on. After teams concede in the 90+12th minute they’ll catch on that the tactics they’ve been using for years/decades to waste time aren’t effective any more.

I could be wrong, but I feel like in the World Cup the added time seemed to get less silly as the tournament progressed.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

I think we’ll see the amount of added time being reduced as the season goes on. After teams concede in the 90+12th minute they’ll catch on that the tactics they’ve been using for years/decades to waste time aren’t effective any more.

I could be wrong, but I feel like in the World Cup the added time seemed to get less silly as the tournament progressed.

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I'm not so sure. Suppose it's a bit psychological as well. I can only imagine, but say we were a goal up at Southampton. 20 minutes to go, under immense pressure. Players getting tired, pulled about the pitch etc. I'm sure that when the opportunity arose, then the body and brain are going to take a little breather, even if it just slows the game, slows down momentum etc. A feeling of we're in a good position (1-0 up) lets prolong it and hold onto it by any means necessary, and deal with what's coming (Added time) when it comes. A sort of Buy now, Pay later approach :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm not so sure. Suppose it's a bit psychological as well. I can only imagine, but say we were a goal up at Southampton. 20 minutes to go, under immense pressure. Players getting tired, pulled about the pitch etc. I'm sure that when the opportunity arose, then the body and brain are going to take a little breather, even if it just slows the game, slows down momentum etc. A feeling of we're in a good position (1-0 up) lets prolong it and hold onto it by any means necessary, and deal with what's coming (Added time) when it comes. A sort of Buy now, Pay later approach :hehe:

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I’m sure we’ll still see players grabbing a quick breather and a moment of rest, but previous time wasting tactics like keepers taking a minute for a goal kick or players slowly ambling off when they’re subbed will (hopefully) be reduced.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Teams will be setting themselves up every time the ball stops. A formation for a goal kick on the left, a formation for a throw-in in your own half near the halfway line. And the clock is off, so players can wander into position.

I can't believe so many people think they want this to happen.

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Exactly. They're not punishing or stopping timewasting, just saying 'waste as much time as you want because we'll just add it on at the end. It will actually increase time wasting. Do people really think professional footballers are now going to take throw ins and free kicks and corners more quickly ?

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Exactly. They're not punishing or stopping timewasting, just saying 'waste as much time as you want because we'll just add it on at the end. It will actually increase time wasting. Do people really think professional footballers are now going to take throw ins and free kicks and corners more quickly ?

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No, it's both, they can still book players for constantly stopping play, and they'll add the time on at the end.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Football is far too fast paced to play on a stop clock imo. Refs just need to be given more power to clamp down on blatant time wasting.

A good start would be clamping down on the 6 second rule wirh GKs. Giving a few indirect free kicks early in the season which leads to goals conceded will soon sort that out.

The only argument I could make for stopping a clock in football is when the game has stopped for VAR or when a goal is scored. stopping it every time the ball goes out of play ie throw, goalkick, corner is not practical.

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That is basically what I meant

Normal game incidents - goes into added time bank with greater focus on punishing players who slow it

Abnormal - subs, var, goal celebrations clock stops

'they will take longer if you stop the clock' is true but then, you just set a reasonable time and punish the team who goes over.

Var pisses me off too, if it takes 4 minutes to identify a 'clear and obvious' mistake then it wasn't clear and obvious. Goal scored, clock stops, 90 second counter for var to find clear and obvious mistake, if they are still fumbling around after 90 seconds, goal stands. Move on. You will have the people who say we need to 'reach the right decision' but a) quite often after var, the result looks subjective and not consistent and b) why not apply it across the whole game if you want decisions to be correct.

As far as the stopping the clock is concerned it's for injuries, goals scored, general incidents.
There isn't much of an issue with the ball taking too long from a throw, the keeper taking too long, etc. etc. They get booked.