Argy bargey

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Pretty certain homelessness exists across the UK, and is most prevalent in London. It certainly exists here, which rather suggests it's more complex than you imply.

But my point remains. Many of you view this whole debacle as a means to make party political points. I rather suspect a genuine desire to solve it will only come with a Labour govt - that's a benefit of them coming in, I agree on that. But I really don't think the situation would improve

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You sanctimonious clown

You make political points every time you come on here

Have another week off

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

I don’t dispute it’s not a complex issue. But it’s only the right and the right wing press using these people as pawns.

They know Rwanda won’t happen. They know putting 500 people on a boat is a pr stunt. All the while the mail and their ilk tell everyone that the reason the country and its services are falling apart isn’t because of the lack of investment but because of some black people on boats.

Let’s not pretend that if this was solved they’d be looking to get the homeless off the streets

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Telling James that is like telling a 6 year old Santa doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

Yes. Going to give examples of what you're saying? As you back up everything you say apparently.

Please show me how any other party in the UK is as corrupt or as incompetent as the tories. Go on James, tell me, which party do I support?

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I have no idea who you support. But I know you seem to hate people who support some parties. Hence your point being ironic

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You sanctimonious clown

You make political points every time you come on here

Have another week off

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No I don't. The only party political points I have made in recent months is

1 / saying I may vote Labour in the next General Election

2 / saying I did vote Labour and Tory in the last council elections.

What I will do is criticise people like you who turn politics into some kind of Rangers/Celtic, Catholic/Protestant battle of good and evil.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Telling James that is like telling a 6 year old Santa doesn't exist.

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How do I bookmark a post?

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Originally Posted by Doucas

Yes. Going to give examples of what you're saying? As you back up everything you say apparently.

Please show me how any other party in the UK is as corrupt or as incompetent as the tories. Go on James, tell me, which party do I support?

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He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

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What bullshit? Hello btw

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

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You are the one making the claim, not me. Can you back it up with statistics and evidence?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You are the one making the claim, not me. Can you back it up with statistics and evidence?

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Let’s just look at this objectively by not mentioning either of the two main parties by name and just look at the raw politics of the last week. We have a Government which enjoys the support of enough of the news media to ensure that if they want a particular week to be assigned to a certain cause, it will be.

This was going to be “small boats” week - forget about the rights and wrongs of the cause, the Government wanted to see it front and centre because they thought it would get the public on their side and embarrass the opposition. We’ve had a blatant attempt to stir things up and get the opposition on the back foot by the party deputy Chairman using the eff word as he spoke in his trademark, blunt “man of the people” terms - the language used was, almost certainly, pre determined and meant to stoke the culture wars, although the strange acknowledgment that the Government had failed on immigration seemed to take things a bit too far.

The Bibby Stockholm barge was supposed to be a major part of this Government “fight back”, but, if the subject wasn’t so serious it would have become a national laughing stock. I missed the story earlier in the week about a drone which was supposed to be watching the barge crashing into the sea at a cost to the Government of hundreds of thousands of pounds, but it was to be expected that we’d see a fight back from opponents and this has often been to contend that the barge was a health risk (especially as it seems that it was housing twice as many people as it was built to do). The Government response to these arguments was to accuse the source of the story as being purely politically motivated- the fears, often expressed by health professionals were dismissed in language which sounded like “we know best”.

Was there any real surprise when today’s news of the potential Legionnaires disease outbreak on the barge surfaced? Whatever the rights and wrong of the matter, having to take everyone off the barge a few days after it was being trumpeted as the solution to a problem is a terrible look and caps a week that has not gone anywhere near as well as intended.

Meanwhile, the official opposition has not had a glove laid on it and we’re now reduced to the aforesaid party deputy Chairman contacting a tame newspaper to ask why the leader of the opposition has had nothing to say about his pre planned “outrageous language”.

it’s been another shambles from a Government that has specialised in them - okay, I’m showing my bias there, but I reckon any objective observer would conclude that the week has not gone anywhere near as well as the Government hoped it would.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I have no idea who you support. But I know you seem to hate people who support some parties. Hence your point being ironic

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Then how can you imply my point is ironic?

I despise Kier Starmer but he isn't in power so I don't bring him up much. The tories are in power and have made such a gigantic cock up of everything so I talk about them.

There's nobody on the forum who missed the point more than you.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Let’s just look at this objectively by not mentioning either of the two main parties by name and just look at the raw politics of the last week. We have a Government which enjoys the support of enough of the news media to ensure that if they want a particular week to be assigned to a certain cause, it will be.

This was going to be “small boats” week - forget about the rights and wrongs of the cause, the Government wanted to see it front and centre because they thought it would get the public on their side and embarrass the opposition. We’ve had a blatant attempt to stir things up and get the opposition on the back foot by the party deputy Chairman using the eff word as he spoke in his trademark, blunt “man of the people” terms - the language used was, almost certainly, pre determined and meant to stoke the culture wars, although the strange acknowledgment that the Government had failed on immigration seemed to take things a bit too far.

The Bibby Stockholm barge was supposed to be a major part of this Government “fight back”, but, if the subject wasn’t so serious it would have become a national laughing stock. I missed the story earlier in the week about a drone which was supposed to be watching the barge crashing into the sea at a cost to the Government of hundreds of thousands of pounds, but it was to be expected that we’d see a fight back from opponents and this has often been to contend that the barge was a health risk (especially as it seems that it was housing twice as many people as it was built to do). The Government response to these arguments was to accuse the source of the story as being purely politically motivated- the fears, often expressed by health professionals were dismissed in language which sounded like “we know best”.

Was there any real surprise when today’s news of the potential Legionnaires disease outbreak on the barge surfaced? Whatever the rights and wrong of the matter, having to take everyone off the barge a few days after it was being trumpeted as the solution to a problem is a terrible look and caps a week that has not gone anywhere near as well as intended.

Meanwhile, the official opposition has not had a glove laid on it and we’re now reduced to the aforesaid party deputy Chairman contacting a tame newspaper to ask why the leader of the opposition has had nothing to say about his pre planned “outrageous language”.

it’s been another shambles from a Government that has specialised in them - okay, I’m showing my bias there, but I reckon any objective observer would conclude that the week has not gone anywhere near as well as the Government hoped it would.

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And JamesWales only response is what about labour blah blah blah

If he said yes that's it from me , I am giving up on this rabble and genuinely mean it ....that's cool

But he's defending the tosspots and always will , by deflection

So he deserves ridicule

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No I don't. The only party political points I have made in recent months is

1 / saying I may vote Labour in the next General Election

2 / saying I did vote Labour and Tory in the last council elections.

What I will do is criticise people like you who turn politics into some kind of Rangers/Celtic, Catholic/Protestant battle of good and evil.

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It is tribal

I don't like Tories and I don't like the tory government

They are evil

I have no interest in silly debates over cosy cups of tea

Does anyone think that these small gestures of trying to deal with the issue are just political window dressing?The Tories know full well that they're leaving one hell of a mess for Labour to deal with after the next election.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

And JamesWales only response is what about labour blah blah blah

If he said yes that's it from me , I am giving up on this rabble and genuinely mean it ....that's cool

But he's defending the tosspots and always will , by deflection

So he deserves ridicule

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Sorry Sludge, what would another govt do? Eradicate Legionella?

Like I said, the consistency here is that whatever the govt do, people like you (nearly always far from being affected by any problem) will moan.

Do something about Legionella..you moan.

Don't do something about Legionella..you moan.

What you don't see is that in failing to properly engage to find any solution you are just setting yourself up for a failure in future.

It's so infuriating!

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It is tribal

I don't like Tories and I don't like the tory government

They are evil

I have no interest in silly debates over cosy cups of tea

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They arent evil though are they? I mean there is no justification for such language and you know it.

The party you support has vowed to continue using that barge so by definition they are evil too. And if you support them, then are you also evil?

Or perhaps no one is evil, they are just trying to solve a serious problem and you are just being a reactionary and hysterical, which tbf you are fantastic at

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sorry Sludge, what would another govt do? Eradicate Legionella?

Like I said, the consistency here is that whatever the govt do, people like you (nearly always far from being affected by any problem) will moan.

Do something about Legionella..you moan.

Don't do something about Legionella..you moan.

What you don't see is that in failing to properly engage to find any solution you are just setting yourself up for a failure in future.

It's so infuriating!

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What the hell are you talking about? It’s not Sludges job or anyone else on this message road to find a solution to this, it’s your Tory government that has been in power for 13 years, it’s their job.

They couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Oh and while we are at it, that clown currently running the country is hiding away in Disney.

Test and trace - 37 billion

Rwanda policy - 120 million

Barges - 1.6 billion

Fraud waste - 26 billion

Sunak has overseen so much economic waste.

How can he still be in charge of the public purse after so much negligence?

The Tory boys are already bringing up what would improve if there was a change. Not having 3 PMs after an election and a married health Secretary not resigning after telling everyone to social distance while proceeding to stick his tongue down his colleagues throat would do for starters.

Lets face it anyone sticking up and voting for them needs ridiculing.

Lets kick em out.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

What the hell are you talking about? It’s not Sludges job or anyone else on this message road to find a solution to this, it’s your Tory government that has been in power for 13 years, it’s their job.

They couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Oh and while we are at it, that clown currently running the country is hiding away in Disney.

Test and trace - 37 billion

Rwanda policy - 120 million

Barges - 1.6 billion

Fraud waste - 26 billion

Sunak has overseen so much economic waste.

How can he still be in charge of the public purse after so much negligence?

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Didnt say it was their job. I said all they do is moan, whinge and moan, whatever happens.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

The Tory boys are already bringing up what would improve if there was a change. Not having 3 PMs after an election and a married health Secretary not resigning after telling everyone to social distance while proceeding to stick his tongue down his colleagues throat would do for starters.

Lets face it anyone sticking up and voting for them needs ridiculing.

Lets kick em out.

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Because Matt Hancock had an affair? Good one!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Didnt say it was their job. I said all they do is moan, whinge and moan, whatever happens.

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I think we can all agree on one thing, that the shit show this government has overseen deserves a little bit more than a moan, whinge and moan.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sorry Sludge, what would another govt do? Eradicate Legionella?

Like I said, the consistency here is that whatever the govt do, people like you (nearly always far from being affected by any problem) will moan.

Do something about Legionella..you moan.

Don't do something about Legionella..you moan.

What you don't see is that in failing to properly engage to find any solution you are just setting yourself up for a failure in future.

It's so infuriating!

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You know you aren't fooling anybody right?

The answer is simple, put the billions they have spent on the nothing projects like these barges and rwanda into building a resilient home office that can process claims quicker, this is what the public want, this is what is best for everybody involved.

You seem to be really sure that the majority crossing don't have a right to be here but at the same time you say the process can't be sped up? Schrödinger's migrant, simultaneously has no claim, and a claim that requires years to pick through.

Now, given that lawyers are just holding the government to the letter of the law, have a bash at explaining why that isnt the right approach without blaming everything on the bogie man of 'the left' or leftie lawyers.

Also when you directly quote somebody, ask them a question and they quote you back answering it, respond. It really shows your lack of character that so often people engage with you and once they have addressed/disproven what you have said, you scuttle off and start a conversation with somebody else.

You have spent two years wailing 'nobody else is giving a solution' whilst actively ignoring anybody who gives an alternative approach.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

I think we can all agree on one thing, that the shit show this government has overseen deserves a little bit more than a moan, whinge and moan.

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It deserves a comprehensive criminal investigation but the establishment is woven so tightly in this country that this will never happen.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No I don't. The only party political points I have made in recent months is

1 / saying I may vote Labour in the next General Election

2 / saying I did vote Labour and Tory in the last council elections.

What I will do is criticise people like you who turn politics into some kind of Rangers/Celtic, Catholic/Protestant battle of good and evil.

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Now I see where you've been going wrong James. Politics absolutely IS a battle of GOOD against EVIL. It's a form of Zoroastrianism. The protagonists are the selfish promoters of personal greed in one corner and those selfless souls who stand for compassion and justice in the other.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Now I see where you've been going wrong James. Politics absolutely IS a battle of GOOD against EVIL. It's a form of Zoroastrianism. The protagonists are the selfish promoters of personal greed in one corner and those selfless souls who stand for compassion and justice in the other.

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sent from my all seeing eye phone

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

What the hell are you talking about? It’s not Sludges job or anyone else on this message road to find a solution to this, it’s your Tory government that has been in power for 13 years, it’s their job.

They couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Oh and while we are at it, that clown currently running the country is hiding away in Disney.

Test and trace - 37 billion

Rwanda policy - 120 million

Barges - 1.6 billion

Fraud waste - 26 billion

Sunak has overseen so much economic waste.

How can he still be in charge of the public purse after so much negligence?

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Because people like JW vote for him

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

They arent evil though are they? I mean there is no justification for such language and you know it.

The party you support has vowed to continue using that barge so by definition they are evil too. And if you support them, then are you also evil?

Or perhaps no one is evil, they are just trying to solve a serious problem and you are just being a reactionary and hysterical, which tbf you are fantastic at

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I think they are

Evil and ruthless

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sorry Sludge, what would another govt do? Eradicate Legionella?

Like I said, the consistency here is that whatever the govt do, people like you (nearly always far from being affected by any problem) will moan.

Do something about Legionella..you moan.

Don't do something about Legionella..you moan.

What you don't see is that in failing to properly engage to find any solution you are just setting yourself up for a failure in future.

It's so infuriating!

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Far from being affected by any problem ?

So the privatisation of social care which has led to the current situation of people seriously suffering at home and in care homes ......two family members in my case .......brought in by the conservatives

That didn't affect me and I should be glad everything's up the swanny ?

What are you gassing about ?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

The Tory boys are already bringing up what would improve if there was a change. Not having 3 PMs after an election and a married health Secretary not resigning after telling everyone to social distance while proceeding to stick his tongue down his colleagues throat would do for starters.

Lets face it anyone sticking up and voting for them needs ridiculing.

Lets kick em out.

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Yep

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Far from being affected by any problem ?

So the privatisation of social care which has led to the current situation of people seriously suffering at home and in care homes ......two family members in my case .......brought in by the conservatives

That didn't affect me and I should be glad everything's up the swanny ?

What are you gassing about ?

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and middle class marxist will help by ..........?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

You know you aren't fooling anybody right?

The answer is simple, put the billions they have spent on the nothing projects like these barges and rwanda into building a resilient home office that can process claims quicker, this is what the public want, this is what is best for everybody involved.

You seem to be really sure that the majority crossing don't have a right to be here but at the same time you say the process can't be sped up? Schrödinger's migrant, simultaneously has no claim, and a claim that requires years to pick through.

Now, given that lawyers are just holding the government to the letter of the law, have a bash at explaining why that isnt the right approach without blaming everything on the bogie man of 'the left' or leftie lawyers.

Also when you directly quote somebody, ask them a question and they quote you back answering it, respond. It really shows your lack of character that so often people engage with you and once they have addressed/disproven what you have said, you scuttle off and start a conversation with somebody else.

You have spent two years wailing 'nobody else is giving a solution' whilst actively ignoring anybody who gives an alternative approach.

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Your naivity is quite somethng. You always present simple solutions to complex issues. You are every bit as bad as people you oppose

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Far from being affected by any problem ?

So the privatisation of social care which has led to the current situation of people seriously suffering at home and in care homes ......two family members in my case .......brought in by the conservatives

That didn't affect me and I should be glad everything's up the swanny ?

What are you gassing about ?

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What I'm saying is that you are a middle class leftie who screams and moans and offers no solutions and uses other people as pawns in issues that you will never, ever, be impacted by.

Of my very very close family I have two on housing benefit. Do you?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What I'm saying is that you are a middle class leftie who screams and moans and offers no solutions and uses other people as pawns in issues that you will never, ever, be impacted by.

Of my very very close family I have two on housing benefit. Do you?

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The fact you did not bother even acknowledging my message yesterday which attempted to take party politics out of the argument strongly suggests that you’re just interested in winding up others with your replies - that’s certainly the case in your most recent contributions to this thread.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Your naivity is quite somethng. You always present simple solutions to complex issues. You are every bit as bad as people you oppose

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Extraordinary. You love to tell others that they misunderstand the complexity of this issue and others, and yet you are the one that parrots support for the cartoon policies that you have been spoon-fed. Whenever anybody engages on the real complexity - the need for internal reform of processes, and deeper and wider international cooperation, you simply disappear.

Like the man says - you fool nobody.

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Originally Posted by + the native hipster

sent from my all seeing eye phone

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I actually thought that was very witty: kudos 👍

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What I'm saying is that you are a middle class leftie who screams and moans and offers no solutions and uses other people as pawns in issues that you will never, ever, be impacted by.

Of my very very close family I have two on housing benefit. Do you?

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I have just told you that the conservative wrecking of social care directly affected me x 2

One doesn't have to be black to be opposed to racism or leaving off foodbanks to comment on poverty

It's Tories like you who think like that

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Your naivity is quite somethng. You always present simple solutions to complex issues. You are every bit as bad as people you oppose

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Oh Christ you are one of these people who goes through life thinking that they are really smart aren't you. It will dawn on you at some point that you aren't and you can think back to all the condescending shit you have posted on here and cringe at yourself.

'Threaten to send them to Rwanda' is really complex? You have been championing that for well over a year despite people telling you it wasn't moral or legal or a good solution.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The fact you did not bother even acknowledging my message yesterday which attempted to take party politics out of the argument strongly suggests that you’re just interested in winding up others with your replies - that’s certainly the case in your most recent contributions to this thread.

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Bingo.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The fact you did not bother even acknowledging my message yesterday which attempted to take party politics out of the argument strongly suggests that you’re just interested in winding up others with your replies - that’s certainly the case in your most recent contributions to this thread.

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Was busy yesterday Bob..let me scroll back and look at it..

Thought I'd let this quieten down a little. The party politics needs removing from it and I think the opposition are starting to realise that as they seem to row back on the rhetoric a bit, knowing that they may soon be responsible for this.

Personally I don't think the Tories are doing well, but I think they are trying and I honestly only see other options making the situation worsen, but we shall see.

Only solution increasingly seems to involve eaving the ECHR if we are to have any control.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thought I'd let this quieten down a little. The party politics needs removing from it and I think the opposition are starting to realise that as they seem to row back on the rhetoric a bit, knowing that they may soon be responsible for this.

Personally I don't think the Tories are doing well, but I think they are trying and I honestly only see other options making the situation worsen, but we shall see.

Only solution increasingly seems to involve eaving the ECHR if we are to have any control.

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Christ you are full of your self importance

You have let this quieten down a bit .......because you were getting your arse served on a plate

You must think we have come down with the last shower of rain

You think the Tories are .....not doing very well ?

That's the understatement of the year

But at least they are trying ?

Good god man you are sycophantic personified

Take a break again