Yes I said so about five posts above, he just copied Braverman, I've been saying it for years, since that poor kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
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Yes I said so about five posts above, he just copied Braverman, I've been saying it for years, since that poor kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
“ Some of you may remember a 10 year old child died in Caerphilly back in 2021. I attended the Police Federation National Bravery awards in London at the start of the recess, and the team of police officers who attended that absolutely awful incident were nominated for a national bravery award and I was fortunate enough to be able to talk with them about what they had witnessed that night and how they had helped others to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
You cannot imagine how awful that must have been. We wrote to the UK government then urging them to strengthen protections in law against what we had seen. The Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 is not devolved. It's in the hands of the UK Government's, I think it should have acted already."
How is that copying braverman?
Jacks mum Lisa spoke in Parliament about these dogs in June so why all of a sudden have the Tory’s spoken out on this matter? I know because there is a general election looming. Action should have been taken a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/ne...ks-parliament/
You do realise cars do more than kill people? You should see what water is capable of. What a moronic line of argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
These dogs are weapons that fire indiscriminately. Idiots are a constant, and I’ve no appetite for eliminating the world of idiots. It’s theirs are much as it is ours. The trick is to limit the damage idiots can do. Obviously banning them owning any sort of dog is sensible, but it doesn’t mean that stopping the supply of aggressive, murderous dogs to anyone pis a bad thing. America has dicked around with a similar thoughts with guns and look where that got them. They are in a mess, and in the early throes of civil war. There is no good reason to own a dog that is trained to bite and hold and at about age 7, has a very strong. tendency to chew on other dogs and children.
Your ideas are not capable of being policed which is why we already have a list of banned breeds. It works. Banning idiots never will. So you can have a world with idiots and guns/bully XLs, or you can have a world with idiots and no guns/bully XLs. A world without idiots is a pipe dream.
Obviously the only thing that stops a bad guy with a BULLY XL is a good guy with a BULLY XL.
On a more serious note these dogs are a man made shambles. I actually feel sorry for the BULLY XL being bred into it’s existence.
Also it's called BULLY XL :facepalm:
It is a real tragedy, I think it has gained traction as there have been more incidents, Braverman's interest follows the recently filmed attacks in Birmingham. It's too late really but they should all be acting now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Because he's just come out and said it to the public, the Tories might have been sending emails to each other for years, Braverman was the first to come out and say it, he's been very vocal about 20mph and done something about it, nothing on dogs until she said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Credit where it's due, he has now and that's got to be good!
That's the kind of morons we are dealing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
A dog breeder openly admitted on LBC that he breeds dangerous XL bully pets for drug dealers so he can "put bread on the table" for his family.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-...ell-iain-dale/
LBC presenter Iain Dale was so incensed after speaking to caller David he told him to "go to hell."
David from Hull rang in to LBC last night and said: “I’m a breeder. I’ve bred many dogs over the years including XL bullies.
"I bred many of them dogs. Some of them I’ve bred in the most beautiful environment have gone on to attack people.
"I know for a fact I’ve bred them very well.
"There’s many breeds of dogs where you get terrible owners however you do not see them attacking people.
"These XL bullies are a different breed, trust me."
He said he bred them because he ‘absolutely loves dogs’ but Iain asked him: “Who were you aiming them at -who did you want to sell them to.”
“Drug dealers, i’ll be absolutely honest Iain.”
“You’ve just admitted you bred them to sell to drug dealers - what kind of person does that make you?” Iain asks.
“Who’s going to put bread on the table for my family. I’ve got six kids,” he said.
Iain replied: “Oh, go to hell David” and ended the call.
The astonishing call to LBC came on the same day an 11-year-old victim of a dog attack in Birmingham told of her terrifying ordeal.
Ana Paun, was attacked by the American bully XL and Staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed puppy in Bordesley Green on Saturday.
She suffered serious injuries to her arm and shoulder, while two other people were also injured after the dog broke free from its collar twice.
Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Ana said: "I got terrified and he jumped on the arm and he bit me.
"I was screaming and I couldn't do anything, the dog kept on staying on my arm."
The schoolgirl told BBC News: "The dog was staring at me and I got scared, so I started to run. And then I never ran that far, I ran like five seconds. So the dog grabbed my hand and he started moving me about.
"Someone grabbed him off my hand, and after he let go of my arm he went on my shoulder and he bit my shoulder as well.
"I was feeling really panicked and I was scared, terrified, I had a lot of emotions. The owner should be more responsible of the dog, because the owner was not doing anything."
Ana's mother said her daughter was taken to hospital in an ambulance and needed around eight stitches.
Speaking at the family home, Monica Paun, 34, told the PA news agency: "She was with her big sister at the shop and the dog attacked.
"She came shouting 'mum'. I am still in shock."
Ana spent a night in hospital after the attack and has been given antibiotics, her mother added.
Ana is now at home recovering after the incident, footage of which was circulated on social media after being filmed by an witness.
No arrests have been made, but West Midlands Police said on Monday that the force will speak to the dog's owner "in due course" as they are in hospital.
"This was an alarming and shocking incident on a busy road in high temperatures and members of the public showed immense courage in tackling such a ferocious dog," a force spokesman said.
The incident prompted Home Secretary Suella Braverman to seek "urgent advice" on whether the breed should be banned.
Downing Street said the Government takes the issue of American bully XL dogs "extremely seriously".
"The footage we saw over the weekend was shocking. I know that the police are investigating that specific incident," the Prime Minister's official spokesman said.
"We take this issue extremely seriously. We have commissioned urgent advice on what steps we can take on dangerous dogs. I think the Home Secretary set that out yesterday. And beyond that immediate work, we do have a number of measures to protect people under the Dangerous Dogs Act."
Speaking during a visit to an east London school, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told reporters: "I think there's a strong case for banning this particular breed.
"Anybody who saw footage of what happened is really shocked at what had happened and I think nobody would say that's perfectly acceptable and nothing needs to be done.
"I want to see what the Government is going to put forward. I hope we can do this speedily and constructively."
Adding the bully XL to the banned list is the responsibility of Environment Secretary Therese Coffey's department where, PA understands, there are concerns over the feasibility of the move.
The dog, which is developed from the American pit bull terrier, is not a recognised as a specific breed by the Kennel Club.
It could be hard to define and some fear a ban could inadvertently outlaw a range of other dogs.
Emma Whitfield, whose 10-year-old son Jack Lis, was fatally attacked by a bully XL named Beast in Caerphilly, South Wales, two years ago, criticised the delay in making the dogs illegal.
Writing on X, formerly known as Twitter, Ms Whitfield said: "Where were you when my son was killed? Where were you when other innocent people were killed?
"Where were you when I was at Parliament asking for change? Nowhere.
"If you're going to do something, please do it. Stop pussyfooting around the 'breed neutral' bull crap and do something."
All the rage seems to be small versions Pocket Bully XL, I saw bloke with about four of these in Cardiff Bay, he said he was a breeder, all with the ears cropped. This was a good few years ago when I didn't know what they were.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3005235476371813/
Hi I’ve adopted a pocket bully female 15months old she’s lovely with my kids me and my wife but can’t stand anyone else my wife can’t walk her as she goes for everyone when she does nearly bit an old guys hand today is there any reason for this?
My 12 week old boy has started growling and barking and nipping when people come down to his level and try stroking him. Not sure if it's a protective thing or if he genuinely feels nervous about strangers approaching him but he's so young that I never expect from such a young age �� he's loving and affectionate with myself and partner but isnt keen on strangers lol xxx
She like my rescue mine was dumped with her ears cut off she accepted my pack ie dogs n partner but anyone else or dog approaches her she gets protective n nerves my best advice is if you love her embrace a muzzle I know they look bad but the person will look worse it's the difference between life n death for our babies n breeds I own 3 muzzles embrace get one's with smiles on
Hey everyone. So my girl is 5 months and I'm having to put a muzzle on her when my hubby isn't around as she will attack my two other dogs (pom and boston terrier). The pom and boston have always been so gentle and sweet but since she's been attacking them, they're so nervous now and bark at her when she comes close so I use the muzzle so that they feel safe and so she doesn't go for them. We have a trainer helping us but I'm worried they'll never get on, it's been going on for around a 6 weeks now. She doesn't like me stroking the boys at all so I guess she goes for them for that reason. Has anyone else gone through the same kind of situation? I want to take her out to socialize with other dogs but I'm afraid, any advice please? We go for walks every morning and night and she's great on a lead, but when we see a dog, I just cross the road and turn the other way as I worry she will try to attack them. When she's with hubby, she's good as gold, no muzzle needed at all! The trainer says it's because she loves me more and doesn't want other dogs near me, but I need them to get along otherwise I can't have all three living together sadly.
Latest comment on the FB group is "pet insurance? I'm struggling get any."
Some of the soppy bastard's on that "my little girl, my beautiful boy. FFS. At least they are probably decent owners.
I liked the one that recommended smiley face muzzles. Hannibal lecter would have looked so much friendlier.
Another man killed by 2 of these dogs.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-west-midlands
Plus young boy attacked playing football.
https://news.sky.com/video/walsall-d...tball-12961929
They have to be banned now!
Trouble is that the kennel club have to define what an xl bully is before it can be banned. It could take a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Owners, whether they think their dogs are beautiful gentle family pets, or not, must take more responsibility and keep their dogs under control.
Sunak has announced today that they will be banned by the end of the year. Mind he is inactionman so doubt anything will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
He'll make it one of his top priorities along with stopping the boats, cutting nhs waiting lists and halving inflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
You're probably right.
Get them off the streets. Only chavs and low life scum have them as some sort of status symbol. and if you're not a chav then you're a w**ker!
'It's not the dog it's the owner, my dog Meatgrinder wouldn't hurt a fly!!!'
No, he would be OK with flies but would try and bite a kid's face off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Put them all down, XL Bullys, standard Bully, and Pocket Bullys they are pit bull offshoots.
Already watered down. Existing dogs not going to be put down, but registered. FFS. The XL bully dogs need to be culled, and the penalties for owners of dangerous dogs(of any breed) need to be strengthened massively
Unless the breeding and selling is dealt with, there'll be a constant supply of these beasts that others will happily pay £000's for. The more money they can make, the less care the breeders take over their product. They just see more and more ££££.
You are extremely naive and obviously know very little about the subject and yet you put yourself forward as some kind of expert. You deliberately sensationalise a very difficult and sensitive subject, presumably just for your own ‘kicks’. These dogs are not the cause of the problem, it is the way they have been bred and trained by human beings. Any dog can be trained to be savage and aggressive. You comment about the chihuahua is crass - I suggest you let a rabid chihuahua savage you - you might change your mind then. Aggressive dogs can also be retrained and normalised with the right amount of care and attention. I know a number of people who own American bully breeds and they are the most gentle, placid and loving dogs that you could wish to see.One of the main problems with classing any breed of dog as unlawful is that the law is open to interpretation by the people who enforce it, leading to the situation where perfectly placid, normally behaved dogs are taken from their owners for no reason and put down.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
For once I agree with you. What I said was taking the piss out of those people on Facebook who say their dogs wouldn't hurt a fly. There was one woman in Cardiff whose bully escaped and mauled another dog, she went onto the south wales police Facebook page and said word for word 'My Venom wouldn't hurt a fly'.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Tough match..... Portugal. It's closing in
Obviously a lot more than you, Chihauhua dogs don't kill XL bully's do on a regular basis, if not they are attacking and injuring children and other dogs, and that's why they are being banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I know a number of people who own American bully breeds and they are the most gentle, placid and loving dogs that you could wish to see. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-west-midlands We must have different views on placid and gentle.
It's common knowledge those dogs are unpredictable and can flip at any time.
And, increasingly likely after the age of about 7. These ****ing idiots who own them saying they are good with kids etc etc.... yeah so are the ones that mauled kids. They are timebombsQuote:
those dogs are unpredictable and can flip at any time.
fun game , replace 'dangerous dogs' with ' men in frocks' and you see things from a womans point of view.
These idiots who own these dogs should be put down alongside their pet
And these pathetic support groups with spokespersons who talk as though they are canine behavioural specialists need culling too
Alsacians used by the old bill are incredibly loving but at the command used controlled aggression to deal with threat
If a police dog is on someone the handler can call it away
These cretins with these absolute monsters have no idea
The only way to deal with this breed is to obliterate it as much as possible and imprison those who don't comply
the old jim crow law 1% canine , back of the bus for you doggoQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Bully Cats now :facepalm:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ok-tiktok.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2597230.html
Pitbulls are superb dogs, great with kids and everything, but you you can train a dog to be vicious and nasty and that's on you.
Simply put .Just train your dog and stop being an A hole
Man killed by his own XL Bully dog yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrlkn8m35no
XL Bullies and Pit Bulls should be executed. And then beheaded to stop them rising from the dead.
People with dogs like this are generally twats
They are intimidating and the owners and these dogs should be locked inside the house
Although the fault is on the stupid humans in the main
Program about them last week, it was painful to watch my lovely Tyson wouldn't hurt a fly, no but he'd kill a human or another dog if the mood took him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Aye there are some good ones but you can't risk the dogs as there are ten times more thickos.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Best that he killed his master than a kid or pensioner out shoppingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Let's be honest a lot of people owning these aggressive, powerful animals are selfish and stupid
These sort of dogs, if able to be trained , should only be owned in security or the police
Preferably give them the needle