Contract the bin collection out, so the service on offer is under contract, problem solved.
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Contract the bin collection out, so the service on offer is under contract, problem solved.
No. Problem created. Low wages and poor conditions for workers. Huge profits for owners. Like the mines that fueled the industrial revolution. Unfortunately, coal is finite, but there's more trash on the earth now than ever, and the pile will just keep growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
You want them, I don’t, end of conversationQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
He didn't say that, did he? At least he put a bit of thought into his response, Maybe give it a try yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
How about this - binmen - create their own company, they are all owner / employees. Run it like a business, where they get to keep any generated profit, pay themselves dividends (if they make a profit) - and then lets see how many strikes they vote in favour of.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
What about water,rail ect do not make a profit who still pay the share holders.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
This is how essential services should be organised
Provide local authorities with the funding to employ refuge workers on decent contracts with fair working conditions , pensions and pay
That absolutely will provide a far better service for the public than the Conservative way which you support of privatising absolutely anything that isn't nailed down
And abolishing it if it can't be privatised
Care , refuge , leisure centres
All utter disasters when put out to privatisation
Oh and buses and trains
You lot will never learn but you lot who vote Tory don't tend to use the buses or leisure centres
But with the bins you have no choice and when it goes tits up you blame the workers and not the stupid privatised system
Idiots
Cool sorry Sludge, but the people striking are public sector workers. They work for Cardiff Council.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The current binmen are not on what I said they should beQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's a private sector arrangement in all but name
No it isn't. They are public sector workers working for a council that has been Labour run for a decade and funded by a Welsh Govt that has been Labour run for a quarter of a century.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You can't have your cake and eat it. If the UK govt are to blame for health strikes in England then the Welsh Govt and Council are here.
The reality is infinitely more complex of course but that would require not just blaming the UK govt at a national level so I doubt you'll go down that route
You are ignoring the fact that much of Welsh Government and local council funding is controlled (cut) by the Tory controlled UK governmentQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes it isQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Completely ignoring how the Welsh Government budget is decided by Westminster. Utter joke of a comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Councils have had to adopt these ridiculous business plans to justify any sort of spendingQuote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
We know that the obscene level of wages for high end executives at councils comes from the tory model literally forced on local authorities where NORMAL employees struggle to fight for the scraps
The opportunity to turn this all around is never going to happen as the cost of reorganisation would be absolutely staggering
Refuge , Care Services , Swimming Pools
Poor service , poor wages but plenty of big bucks at the top
It's the tory way
Not entirely, although that's the excuse they use. They get a block grant and allocate as they see fit. They also have a range of tax raising powers to raise additional income if they wanted more. They also can't rely on ever increasing budgets because no government in the world can.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
All strikes are pretty complex and I do think that waste collection should be under public control but the idea that guarantees a better service or no conflict just isn't true.
Again Sludge, what you are saying is just incorrect. The Welsh Govt and the council's themselves have control over this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The UK govt has almost no say over the delivery of services in Wales. Its nearly all devolved powers.
Look to the senedd, not Westminster.
I give you a 100 quid to build a wallQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You require 300 quid to do a decent job
What sort of wall do you think I will get unless I provide you with more cash ?
You are the local council
I think the wall will fall down
Most people dont realise that the (enourmously increased) council tax covers barely 50% of local government spending. The rest is made up by grants from central government which have been cut by 40%. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Because the Conservatives want to starve big city councils which are almost entirely run by Labour of cash. The dream scenario is what we are currently seeing in Birmingham, force the LA into bankruptcy, then force extremely highly paid technocrats onto the city who sell of everything that isnt nailed down, preferably to Tory donors.
This^^^^. Every single person in this country is about to be faced with a whacking great increase in their water bills to pay for decades of under investment in our water system. And the kicker? The cost of renovation is almost exactly the same as the amount paid out in dividends since privatisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Decades of privatisation have left essential services that are natrual monopolies in the hands of cartels. Energy, Water, Rail etc. all in the hands of private companies that collude with each other to fix prices and drive up profits at rhe expense of consumers and workers. There is no competition.
According to the Wall Street Journal, America is about to face the first ever "full employment recession". That is to say that pay levels are now so low, that the country faces a recession even that almost everyone that can work, is working. How the **** anyone, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum, can defend this shit is beyond me.
https://cals.ncsu.edu/news/you-decide-will-we-have-the-first-full-employment-recession/
A government our esteemed leader holds contempt for every time the fool speaks almost, he might well have a point on some issues but you don’t bite the hand that feeds….Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
System is completely broken, until we get a new political party system I can’t see an end to itQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's not completely broken. I'll do it for £200 cashQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
The conservatives did exactly the same with the right to buy council housesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra
Those inner city councils that really needed the cash to replace housing stock sold and improve improve what they had left were prevented from doing so by Thatcher and her mob of chancers
Nice quaint council in Berkshire ? Oh you can spend what you like , go ahead
There's a reason why so many urban areas have sink estates
The conservatives created them
Cardiff Ultra has served your arse up on a plate hereQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Good luck
Absolutely true, it's entirely political. Tories will starve people into submission if they have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra
Indeed , absolutely ruthlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
My grandfather hated them
And then taxed to death by Labour in 70’s….my old man who worked down the Docks his whole life hated them too….��Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
where to down the docks ?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I dealt with a Cardiff bin man and his father(also a bin man) last year and they were boasting that they end up working half of the hours they're paid for as they knock off ridiculously early. I asked what the management's take was and they both laughed, as said they're in on it 🤦*♂️Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Your old man was a tory ?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Well there you go explains your politics
Dumballs rd….Beal & son. Gone for 20 odd years now in that rapidly changing area.Quote:
Originally Posted by poc
:thumbup: anchors and chainsQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Not really, he swung to whoever he figured best at that time, you don’t just HAVE TO stick with one party your whole life you know? It’s not like a football team. He was born in a house in Hunter Street, worked in a tough factory for 35 years….maybe being a hard worker made him a Tory eh sludge as opposed to a benefits scrounger like most lefties if you are casting aspersions here…..what would you know though as you don’t work either….:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Baptism of fire there for me as a lost 17 year old I tell you….you don’t pay attention you lose a limb or your head:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by poc
Mine? I voted for every twating party there is the few times I’ve voted….:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You recall marching with 2 million others against Blair’s war right?
Calm down ff sake , you told me he hated the labour governmentQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Go and have a cup of tea
I was on the march in London and cardiffQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Go and have a fag
And me. From recollection the biggest Cardiff one was on the same day as the challenge cup final in the millennium stadium as I remember a few Leeds Rhinos fans not appreciating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Good manQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
As we went past the goat major pub a Swansea CND banner was soaked beer from city fans
Pretty sad but very predictable
Oh my boys, my boys, we are at the end of an age.
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