It’s where the profits are going that’s the problem. Filling some mega rich shareholder’s drinks cabinet in the Cayman Islands rather than being ploughed back in to the industry for improvement.
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It’s where the profits are going that’s the problem. Filling some mega rich shareholder’s drinks cabinet in the Cayman Islands rather than being ploughed back in to the industry for improvement.
Is that Manchester bus, what time is my bus coming?
Thursday, Trevors working from home :hehe:
Real meeting of minds going on in here
That doesn't apply to the bus industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The issue with privatisation for me is pretty simple. Despite record levels of taxation, the government don't appear to be responsible for anything anymore.
The private sector grift cycle seems to be
Win contract
Raise real terms prices
Lower real terms wages
Tell government you can't afford to deliver service
Receive subsidy
Cut back service anyway
It mostly applies to rail and having said that, I have actually been using the buses a fair bit since the price cap was introduced, good value because of the subsidy.
If you have a private sector bus network and two major parties who believe that is the only way then if the service is shit you have no recourse other than to not use it. The issue is that not everybody has that option, so you are left with the most vulnerable using a shit network, and because of the above, the buses won't be profitable and the public will end up subsidising anyway to keep routes running.
What we actually need is less people thinking they need a car to survive, more people using public transport = better public transport.
The Carl Sergeant incident was the end of Jones's reputation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...inst-him-wales
Jones couldnt even debate Farrage to a winning
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ights-10718381
Welsh Water is not for profit. How would you say that's going?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
The egg has to come first though, a good service will be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
You can't stick a decent train or underground service now though it's too late. The buses will be no good as they can't move fast enough to cover the routes and loops they need to do to be regular. Living along the existing train tracks is the best chance people will have, so Cortyton to town and Caerphilly line in, maybe Danescourt and Radyr other than that you've had it.
What we will end up with is sh!t roads, speed, parking, ulez charges etc as Wales make car travel as miserable as possible and a sh!t transport service to match.
It's hardly an odd comment; many people have shares in private companies, that's how the system works. It's highly likely these same people will baulk at renationalisation as it would be detrimental to their interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
You obviously have a different memory of the nationalised industries to me. It would be great to get our former assets back in the hands of the people rather than greedy hedge fund managers
People investing in nationalised industries - like UK pension company's ? - good luck with that vote winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Personally I like the Welsh Water modus operandi - not for profit as the core business then they contract out other services to other companies.
It's odd to assume that the only reason someone might find your description of Britain's nationalised industries as fabulous is because they hold shares in the privatised versions. And yes, I do have a different memory of them. And yes it would be good to have them serving us rather than shareholders. But examples like British Steel and the NCB aren't the way to go. I'm amazed anyone thinks they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Welsh rivers and seas are among the most polluted in the UK. That's not all down to WW but a lot of it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
That's irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
We have had 3 leaders since devolved government
He's been the best
The people have decided the tory boys havnt had a nose
And that's bloody great
Like I said it's hardly odd. I think it's odd someone thinks otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Good on Greater Manchester. If they can afford it, it's a good thing to do. Public transport is one of the central pillars of society that probably should be under public control (like schools, police, armed forces etc). That said, I care less as long as they are good at the job.
It is however worth remembering that Cardiff Bus is publicly owned and run and is cutting services left right and centre.
Transport for Wales is also owned publicly and is the worst ranked by passengers, although I think a large part of that can be put down to the ongoing Metro works.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ction-27737650
The biggest issue is passenger numbers. WFH is damaging in so many ways but it's decimated transport income and making it less and less viable, which of course hits those who rely on it most.
Transport organisations cannot rely upon people who choose to WFH to fund their operations; it's a free society after all (just).Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This would now be an opportunity for Marketing departments to use some initiative and seduce a different cohort of travellers back with tempting offers, maybe more leisure oriented.