Lockdown - harmful to children

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Not dismissive in the slightest; more a case of realism I'd say.

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What about the 1:10 of the whole population on the NHS waiting list for operations ( indirect result of lockdowns), a vast majority of which are life threatening, will they get over it ?

What about the millions who have lost their businesses , will they get over it ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What about the 1:10 of the whole population on the NHS waiting list for operations ( indirect result of lockdowns), a vast majority of which are life threatening, will they get over it ?

What about the millions who have lost their businesses , will they get over it ?

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People have been subject to problems with NHS waiting lists for many years

If you accept this was a world wide pandemic ......I hope you do ......then waiting lists , unemployment , kids missing school etc etc was always going to be a problem

What is it you are after here ?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well he can be against the lockdown if he wishes and thinks it wasn't worth it for the long term damage, but that's beside the point..

It's not fence sitting, it's recognising the pros and cons of issues. One of the cons is the impact on kids. Any suggestions on that?

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Suggestions not required from a data monkey like myself, I don't know if you realise, but you are a bit late to the party, schools and children's services departments across the land have been dealing with this for well over two years now..

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Suggestions not required from a data monkey like myself, I don't know if you realise, but you are a bit late to the party, schools and children's services departments across the land have been dealing with this for well over two years now..

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I know they have. The issues have been escalating since the first lockdown. I dread to think what happened behind closed doors in many households.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I know they have. The issues have been escalating since the first lockdown. I dread to think what happened behind closed doors in many households.

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Well it is what it is

Being unprepared for a pandemic is and was a huge ask for the NHS , Social Services , Schools , The Police , Kids , The Elderly , Disabled people etc etc

Some people had nervous breakdowns because they couldn't go to Spain or ponce about on a Munich City Break with their wife to be

Some of it was cringeworthy

Thank god we havnt had a war recently

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

People have been subject to problems with NHS waiting lists for many years

If you accept this was a world wide pandemic ......I hope you do ......then waiting lists , unemployment , kids missing school etc etc was always going to be a problem

What is it you are after here ?

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I don’t accept it was a worldwide problem western societies definitely though , Many of African carried on relatively normally and escaped lightly, but this could be due to the lack of testing and societal distrust in governments.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What about the 1:10 of the whole population on the NHS waiting list for operations ( indirect result of lockdowns), a vast majority of which are life threatening, will they get over it ?

What about the millions who have lost their businesses , will they get over it ?

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Unfortunately life isn't perfect, no matter what they told you in Blue Peter.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think there is something in suggesting that young people could sometimes have a bit more resilience about the realities of life, but I'd say you are both being a bit dismissive here. Absenteeism, anxiety, mental health problems, less developed, lacking social skills, less suited to the workplace etc. There is a real post covid impact and I think it's all of our responsibility as a society to try and understand and help fix that tbh.

I don't think they can all be waved away by saying life is tough, get over it. Covid changed things.

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James, dare I say it, you need to grow up. We were facing a horrendous pandemic; as in wartime there isn't always time nor opportunity to deal with the niceties. Children are far more resilient than adults; they will get over it.

Anyway this isn't a genuine thread about the issues with children and lockdowns. This is a thread initiated by libertarians who have a hatred of any collective restriction and who are sufficiently obsessed by the subject they constantly seek out some smidgeon of adverse news about the effects of lockdowns.

Lockdowns may well be unpleasant and will always cause issues but unfortunately in times of maximum risk they will always be required to be deployed as a defence of last resort.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

James, dare I say it, you need to grow up. We were facing a horrendous pandemic; as in wartime there isn't always time nor opportunity to deal with the niceties. Children are far more resilient than adults; they will get over it.

Anyway this isn't a genuine thread about the issues with children and lockdowns. This is a thread initiated by libertarians who have a hatred of any collective restriction and who are sufficiently obsessed by the subject they constantly seek out some smidgeon of adverse news about the effects of lockdowns.

Lockdowns may well be unpleasant and will always cause issues but unfortunately in times of maximum risk they will always be required to be deployed as a defence of last resort.

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I don't think you have a grasp of the extent of the issue here. And in terms of growing up, I don't appreciate that one bit because I recognise and want to help people impacted by things in recent years.

You need to get over any ideological issue that may be real (or may be in your head) in respect of a thread on a messageboard and realise our younger generation is in need of help due to policies put in place in recent years. This IS a thread about the impact on children. That it wasn't started by someone ideologically pure enough for you says more about your priorities, not anyone else's. I couldn't care less who started the thread.

Quite an extraordinary outlook from you tbh. This isn't about the lockdown. That's the past. This is the future and the issues are real.

The problems some young people are facing as a consequence of the lockdowns are real. If all you have to say is tough luck, or pull your socks up, then fair enough, you've said your piece. But telling others to "grow up" isnt helpful to anyone whatsoever.

My kids were largely fine thankfully. Some of my friends kids really were not. I have friends who are teachers who have said some kids have regressed years.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

James, dare I say it, you need to grow up. We were facing a horrendous pandemic; as in wartime there isn't always time nor opportunity to deal with the niceties. Children are far more resilient than adults; they will get over it.

Anyway this isn't a genuine thread about the issues with children and lockdowns. This is a thread initiated by libertarians who have a hatred of any collective restriction and who are sufficiently obsessed by the subject they constantly seek out some smidgeon of adverse news about the effects of lockdowns.

Lockdowns may well be unpleasant and will always cause issues but unfortunately in times of maximum risk they will always be required to be deployed as a defence of last resort.

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You really aren’t thinking clearly again, and do you have kids to even comment :hehe:

I don’t think you have a clue what people with children went through and as an aside it’s not a hatred at all, it’s more the fact that many many people who called out the policy from the start and were labelled all sorts, but clearly from what is being allowed to be released from the public enquiry the same people are being proved correct.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I don’t accept it was a worldwide problem western societies definitely though , Many of African carried on relatively normally and escaped lightly, but this could be due to the lack of testing and societal distrust in governments.

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That's the key

You are a conspiracy theorist

And think the pandemic wasn't as such and that the injections didn't apply to you

Not because you had an underlying health condition .....as many people have .....but because you have too much access to Google

As soon as you start from that point it all falls apart

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't think you have a grasp of the extent of the issue here. And in terms of growing up, I don't appreciate that one bit because I recognise and want to help people impacted by things in recent years.

You need to get over any ideological issue that may be real (or may be in your head) in respect of a thread on a messageboard and realise our younger generation is in need of help due to policies put in place in recent years. This IS a thread about the impact on children. That it wasn't started by someone ideologically pure enough for you says more about your priorities, not anyone else's. I couldn't care less who started the thread.

Quite an extraordinary outlook from you tbh. This isn't about the lockdown. That's the past. This is the future and the issues are real.

The problems some young people are facing as a consequence of the lockdowns are real. If all you have to say is tough luck, or pull your socks up, then fair enough, you've said your piece. But telling others to "grow up" isnt helpful to anyone whatsoever.

My kids were largely fine thankfully. Some of my friends kids really were not. I have friends who are teachers who have said some kids have regressed years.

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You recognise and want to help ......your words

We don't?

That's incredibly sanctimonious

Leave these big issues to those directly involved or give up work , give up your time to mentor stressed out kids or write a thesis

You are no better than some bloke in the street on this matter

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's the key

You are a conspiracy theorist

And think the pandemic wasn't as such and that the injections didn't apply to you

Not because you had an underlying health condition .....as many people have .....but because you have too much access to Google

As soon as you start from that point it all falls apart

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You’re a self appointed government deputy , if I recall you wanted all unvaccinated to undertake unpaid slave Labour, which you took great delight in. I can’t take anything you say seriously more-so when you think you know a few of the boys when in reality you were one of the hangers Sludgey boy.

If conspiracy is the best you can come up with , then that just about sums you up.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's the key

You are a conspiracy theorist

And think the pandemic wasn't as such and that the injections didn't apply to you

Not because you had an underlying health condition .....as many people have .....but because you have too much access to Google

As soon as you start from that point it all falls apart

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Nothing on here has suggested you or Dorcus recognise the problem and both have dismissed it as a part of lockdown and kids need to be more resilient etc.

And that's fine if that's your view. I'll just file it under the other long list of things I am proud to disagree with you on.

But the issue of the impact of lockdowns on kids is absolutely real and being told to "grow up" by a man who is more interested in the political affiliation of the OP than the serious matter at hand grates a lot. It doesn't matter whether you support lockdowns or not, there were pros and cons of them like all policies, but this discussion is about one of the very real cons.

Here's a Kings College London study on it. It's findings are a little different to yours.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/an-isolated-ge...d-young-people

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You really aren’t thinking clearly again, and do you have kids to even comment :hehe:

I don’t think you have a clue what people with children went through and as an aside it’s not a hatred at all, it’s more the fact that many many people who called out the policy from the start and were labelled all sorts, but clearly from what is being allowed to be released from the public enquiry the same people are being proved correct.

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And it tells you to grow up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Comedy gold 🤣 😂 😆 😄

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You’re a self appointed government deputy , if I recall you wanted all unvaccinated to undertake unpaid slave Labour, which you took great delight in. I can’t take anything you say seriously more-so when you think you know a few of the boys when in reality you were one of the hangers Sludgey boy.

If conspiracy is the best you can come up with , then that just about sums you up.

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I would do more than slave labour

But failing that fine them

You are too old to be talking about football aggro

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Nothing on here has suggested you or Dorcus recognise the problem and both have dismissed it as a part of lockdown and kids need to be more resilient etc.

And that's fine if that's your view. I'll just file it under the other long list of things I am proud to disagree with you on.

But the issue of the impact of lockdowns on kids is absolutely real and being told to "grow up" by a man who is more interested in the political affiliation of the OP than the serious matter at hand grates a lot. It doesn't matter whether you support lockdowns or not, there were pros and cons of them like all policies, but this discussion is about one of the very real cons.

Here's a Kings College London study on it. It's findings are a little different to yours.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/an-isolated-ge...d-young-people

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Get out of here

Old people died

And some people helped it kill them by failing to isolate and get a jab

Suffer little children

Ironically none of the people who are screeching 'think of the kids' have actually outlined what they think the main issues are and are just using it as a way to get on their high horse. I don't have children but I number crunch for a local authority children's services department and so fully aware of the issues out there, recently the biggest for us has been to locate a bunch of kids who haven't officially gone EHE but have off rolled from school over the past few years essentially slipping through the net (obviously a massive safeguarding issue). Systems aren't joined up and government policy has allowed/encouraged a disconnect between LA and school, without the DFE picking up the slack.

We were seeing a massive increase in children with additional needs pre-pandemic and it looks like it is increasing at a faster rate now, some probably lockdown related but it is important to note that this is the continuing of a trend. Thankfully there is finally more funding for those performing the statutory side of things around children with SEN but this will come at the expensive of other budgets in an already stretched environment and as ever early intervention will trump a reactive solution every time.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Get out of here

Old people died

And some people helped it kill them by failing to isolate and get a jab

Suffer little children

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We. Aren't. Talking. About. The. Lockdown

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

We. Aren't. Talking. About. The. Lockdown

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Yes you are

It's the title of the thread and the content of most of your posts you complete jellyhead

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't think you have a grasp of the extent of the issue here. And in terms of growing up, I don't appreciate that one bit because I recognise and want to help people impacted by things in recent years.

You need to get over any ideological issue that may be real (or may be in your head) in respect of a thread on a messageboard and realise our younger generation is in need of help due to policies put in place in recent years. This IS a thread about the impact on children. That it wasn't started by someone ideologically pure enough for you says more about your priorities, not anyone else's. I couldn't care less who started the thread.

Quite an extraordinary outlook from you tbh. This isn't about the lockdown. That's the past. This is the future and the issues are real.

The problems some young people are facing as a consequence of the lockdowns are real. If all you have to say is tough luck, or pull your socks up, then fair enough, you've said your piece. But telling others to "grow up" isnt helpful to anyone whatsoever.

My kids were largely fine thankfully. Some of my friends kids really were not. I have friends who are teachers who have said some kids have regressed years.

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Life sucks, get on with it

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You really aren’t thinking clearly again, and do you have kids to even comment :hehe:

I don’t think you have a clue what people with children went through and as an aside it’s not a hatred at all, it’s more the fact that many many people who called out the policy from the start and were labelled all sorts, but clearly from what is being allowed to be released from the public enquiry the same people are being proved correct.

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Whether or not I had children during the lockdown is irrelevant 😂😂😂

Lockdown was absolutely necessary and it served its purpose. No one wanted it and it was anticipated problems would ensue. However, it was necessary to prevent a grave situation getting far worse. Are there lessons to be learnt, yes of course, like starting it earlier for one. However, if we faced the same situation again then I would expect broadly the same response.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yes you are

It's the title of the thread and the content of most of your posts you complete jellyhead

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No we are talking about the impact of the lockdown and other Covid related issues on young people.

The lockdown(s) happened. That's by the by. Most supported them on balance, including me, certainly for the first one.

But we are now talking about 2023. Not the merits of the lockdown of which there are no doubt many. The thread is (or was supposed to be) about one of the negatives of it.

Most things produce good and bad results. Even if the overall policy was good, it doesn't mean you can't talk about how to fix some of the bad outcomes.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No we are talking about the impact of the lockdown and other Covid related issues on young people.

The lockdown(s) happened. That's by the by. Most supported them on balance, including me, certainly for the first one.

But we are now talking about 2023. Not the merits of the lockdown of which there are no doubt many. The thread is (or was supposed to be) about one of the negatives of it.

Most things produce good and bad results. Even if the overall policy was good, it doesn't mean you can't talk about how to fix some of the bad outcomes.

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Luckily for us the UK government are so invested in education, youth services and providing mental health services for young people, we have an infrastructure ready to alleviate issues caused by a botched lockdown.

Thank fuuck, the UK didn't spunk money on xhoddy PPE and the likes.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No we are talking about the impact of the lockdown and other Covid related issues on young people.

The lockdown(s) happened. That's by the by. Most supported them on balance, including me, certainly for the first one.

But we are now talking about 2023. Not the merits of the lockdown of which there are no doubt many. The thread is (or was supposed to be) about one of the negatives of it.

Most things produce good and bad results. Even if the overall policy was good, it doesn't mean you can't talk about how to fix some of the bad outcomes.

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Lots of airheads were against the lockdown

Blame them for the negative affects

Without it , it would have been far worse for the poor little children

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Whether or not I had children during the lockdown is irrelevant 😂😂😂

Lockdown was absolutely necessary and it served its purpose. No one wanted it and it was anticipated problems would ensue. However, it was necessary to prevent a grave situation getting far worse. Are there lessons to be learnt, yes of course, like starting it earlier for one. However, if we faced the same situation again then I would expect broadly the same response.

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I would expect most countries to follow Swedens example knowing what we know now, and trust it’s population to take sensible precautions.Those who have been totally spooked by the behaviour scientists can of course stay at home and isolate themselves.

You should never totally lockdown healthy people especially children.

A virus will do what it’s meant to do regardless of measures being taken.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I would expect most countries to follow Swedens example knowing what we know now, and trust it’s population to take sensible precautions.Those who have been totally spooked by the behaviour scientists can of course stay at home and isolate themselves.

You should never totally lockdown healthy people especially children.

A virus will do what it’s meant to do regardless of measures being taken.

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Personally this is closest to my opinion. The first lockdown was understandable perhaps but subsequent ones should have been more targeted IMO.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I would expect most countries to follow Swedens example knowing what we know now, and trust it’s population to take sensible precautions.Those who have been totally spooked by the behaviour scientists can of course stay at home and isolate themselves.

You should never totally lockdown healthy people especially children.

A virus will do what it’s meant to do regardless of measures being taken.

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"Trusting the population to take sensible precautions" is the flaw in your argument. We all know a sizeable cohort of the population is not sensible. In an emergency you cannot trust to chance.

As for locking down the healthy to protect the vulnerable that's eminently sensible and it's a highly important defensive measure.

Just because you are dead against lockdowns it doesn't mean, as a last resort, they shouldn't have to be deployed. Comparing Sweden to the UK is fatuous; for a start their population density is much much lower and I seem to recall they admitted themselves they got it wrong because their COVID death rate spiralled in the latter stages of the pandemic.

Unfortunately in times of crisis unpleasant strategies often have to be deployed. Whether or not you dislike those measures is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

"Trusting the population to take sensible precautions" is the flaw in your argument. We all know a sizeable cohort of the population is not sensible. In an emergency you cannot trust to chance.

As for locking down the healthy to protect the vulnerable that's eminently sensible and it's a highly important defensive measure.

Just because you are dead against lockdowns it doesn't mean, as a last resort, they shouldn't have to be deployed. Comparing Sweden to the UK is fatuous; for a start their population density is much much lower and I seem to recall they admitted themselves they got it wrong because their COVID death rate spiralled in the latter stages of the pandemic.

Unfortunately in times of crisis unpleasant strategies often have to be deployed. Whether or not you dislike those measures is not relevant.

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To say you would do the same thing again really doesn’t make sense , anyone with an ounce of sense realises it was overwhelming flawed especially when high profile policymakers were breaking the rules themselves.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

To say you would do the same thing again really doesn’t make sense , anyone with an ounce of sense realises it was overwhelming flawed especially when high profile policymakers were breaking the rules themselves.

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It was hardly overwhelmingly flawed but obviously it could have been executed better. The likelihood is any other administration would have handled it far more effectively.

Anyone with even a molecule of sense would see that the fact high profile policymakers broke the rules had absolutely nothing to do with the efficacy or otherwise of the strategy.

You can put that down to the reckless libertarian instincts of the politicians themselves, many of whose personalities would genuinely be classified as socio and psycho pathic.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

It was hardly overwhelmingly flawed but obviously it could have been executed better. The likelihood is any other administration would have handled it far more effectively.

Anyone with even a molecule of sense would see that the fact high profile policymakers broke the rules had absolutely nothing to do with the efficacy or otherwise of the strategy.

You can put that down to the reckless libertarian instincts of the politicians themselves, many of whose personalities would genuinely be classified as socio and psycho pathic.

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No wonder many people within the population were sceptical of the whole concept then judging by you last sentence, perhaps rather than calling out people who were uneasy with lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc , maybe you should vent your frustrations at the people running the country.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

No wonder many people within the population were sceptical of the whole concept then judging by you last sentence, perhaps rather than calling out people who were uneasy with lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc , maybe you should vent your frustrations at the people running the country.

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Surely we should vent our frustrations at all the self-centred, entitled granny-killers, not just the most high profile hypocrites amongst them?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Surely we should vent our frustrations at all the self-centred, entitled granny-killers, not just the most high profile hypocrites amongst them?

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You’re spouting government propaganda there looks like the sage think tank did its job on you.
I think you need to look at the data which shows that statistically that propaganda slogan you’re talking about was actually false.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You’re spouting government propaganda there looks like the sage think tank did its job on you.
I think you need to look at the data which shows that statistically that propaganda slogan you’re talking about was actually false.

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Check out the masks :hehe: :hehe:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why the HELL are the wearing masks?! <a href="https://t.co/t3qfjaCmtj">https://t.co/t3qfjaCmtj</a> <a href="https://t.co/A9ZRJuw5PS">pic.twitter.com/A9ZRJuw5PS</a></p>&mdash; Anti Lockdown Alliance(GLOBAL) (@Demo2020cracy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Demo2020cracy/status/1707884508857377146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Conversations like this one were inevitable because nobody had a proven template for dealing with a deadly pandemic that would hit the whole world from the fairly recent past three and a half years ago, so it was a case of making it up as they went along and there were always going to be mistakes or errors of judgement.

Therefore I find it hard to be critical of the notion of going into lockdowns, more that it took so long to go into the first one. By contrast, I never agreed with the WAG’s decision to close things down ago over the winter of 20/21 at a time when the most vulnerable had been given a vaccine.

I do blame the UK Government for ignoring the results of the Cygnus project that tested responses to a pandemic held a few years before the advent of Covid and I think the Public Enquiry currently taking place will be pretty damning about many aspects of the response to the crisis. I may be wrong, but I doubt if there will be a huge amount of criticism regarding the concept of lockdowns, more about how policy evolved as methods of combatting the virus were found.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You’re spouting government propaganda there looks like the sage think tank did its job on you.
I think you need to look at the data which shows that statistically that propaganda slogan you’re talking about was actually false.

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Got to admit I preferred the SAGE ‘propaganda’ to your propaganda. I sometimes agree with parts of your posts, but not when you rubbish the 2020 attempt to protect the elderly, the sick and vulnerable, front line workers who were disproportionately victims in the first year (especially if they were black) and to save the NHS from going under.

There is a debate to be had on the margins, on the scale and length of subsequent lockdowns, on government incompetence, hypocrisy and dishonesty (massive contacts for mates), but not on the initial (late and timid) response.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Check out the masks :hehe: :hehe:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why the HELL are the wearing masks?! <a href="https://t.co/t3qfjaCmtj">https://t.co/t3qfjaCmtj</a> <a href="https://t.co/A9ZRJuw5PS">pic.twitter.com/A9ZRJuw5PS</a></p>— Anti Lockdown Alliance(GLOBAL) (@Demo2020cracy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Demo2020cracy/status/1707884508857377146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Who really cares if adults you don't know want to wear a mask? Who cares?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Got to admit I preferred the SAGE ‘propaganda’ to your propaganda. I sometimes agree with parts of your posts, but not when you rubbish the 2020 attempt to protect the elderly, the sick and vulnerable, front line workers who were disproportionately victims in the first year (especially if they were black) and to save the NHS from going under.

There is a debate to be had on the margins, on the scale and length of subsequent lockdowns, on government incompetence, hypocrisy and dishonesty (massive contacts for mates), but not on the initial (late and timid) response.

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Ultimately the average age of the people who passed away (sadly) with the virus was around 8 months below the average death rate, and that was within 28 days of a positive test of people who already had pre existing conditions. I’d argue if they did the same testing for flu ( within 28 days with pre existing conditions) the numbers would be comparable.

I’ll reiterate, no wonder many of the population were sceptical if the people in charge broke the rules within the first week.

In war conditions the same people would be tucked away in nuclear bunkers not out partying.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Conversations like this one were inevitable because nobody had a proven template for dealing with a deadly pandemic that would hit the whole world from the fairly recent past three and a half years ago, so it was a case of making it up as they went along and there were always going to be mistakes or errors of judgement.

Therefore I find it hard to be critical of the notion of going into lockdowns, more that it took so long to go into the first one. By contrast, I never agreed with the WAG’s decision to close things down ago over the winter of 20/21 at a time when the most vulnerable had been given a vaccine.

I do blame the UK Government for ignoring the results of the Cygnus project that tested responses to a pandemic held a few years before the advent of Covid and I think the Public Enquiry currently taking place will be pretty damning about many aspects of the response to the crisis. I may be wrong, but I doubt if there will be a huge amount of criticism regarding the concept of lockdowns, more about how policy evolved as methods of combatting the virus were found.

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I was as paranoid as anyone when this started, and as it was starting we had to attend a funeral in Leicestershire, travel wasn't curtailed and we booked a night in a hotel as to not have to go up and down in the day, having worked in filtration a few years earlier reached out to former colleagues to obtain the filter media used in N95 masks which we manufactured, bought 2 boxes of latex gloves and travelled up to Leicestershire masked up and with Latex gloves driving my own car!!! just arriving at the hotel was almost being in a hospital, at the funeral there were a couple in attendance who had recently been to I think the Ascot festival, we carried on with this BS (not known at the time) for sometime, as it went on it was IMO, becoming obvious that all was not as was being peddled out, just going to Lidl on Saturday mornings and being treated like lepers to get food all whilst walking past the middle aisle along with the clothes being plastic sheeted off was a bit comical, I never initially thought of anything other than what i was hearing from Johnson and his lieutenants on the box each evening, blaming government's wasn't a thing for me regarding Convid for a long time, but now having had a long time to reflect, I'd love to live long enough to see some of these bastards hang (if it has been indeed a nefarious act), but I'll die well before an agreed and accepted origin of Convid is accepted by a majority. if you think Kennedy was assassinated in 1965 and any facts around this are only just being dripped out, the phrase conspiracy theory was introduced to the masses for this event, the wheels of justice can take a long time Dookie, and the rest of the youngsters on here will find this out as they get older, the Q saying is, "Future Proves Past" Yes it was a pysop and just another division tactic, anyway i note last night that RFK junior intends to run as an independent, not sure who will benefit most from this but at least we'll get a further distraction for next years election and something else to fall out over, initially, and if its Biden, Trump and RFK, he'd be my guy if i was an American but he is a climate fanatic I think, so it would be a holding the nose vote to remove the other 2.

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I was as paranoid as anyone when this started, and as it was starting we had to attend a funeral in Leicestershire, travel wasn't curtailed and we booked a night in a hotel as to not have to go up and down in the day, having worked in filtration a few years earlier reached out to former colleagues to obtain the filter media used in N95 masks which we manufactured, bought 2 boxes of latex gloves and travelled up to Leicestershire masked up and with Latex gloves driving my own car!!! just arriving at the hotel was almost being in a hospital, at the funeral there were a couple in attendance who had recently been to I think the Ascot festival, we carried on with this BS (not known at the time) for sometime, as it went on it was IMO, becoming obvious that all was not as was being peddled out, just going to Lidl on Saturday mornings and being treated like lepers to get food all whilst walking past the middle aisle along with the clothes being plastic sheeted off was a bit comical, I never initially thought of anything other than what i was hearing from Johnson and his lieutenants on the box each evening, blaming government's wasn't a thing for me regarding Convid for a long time, but now having had a long time to reflect, I'd love to live long enough to see some of these bastards hang (if it has been indeed a nefarious act), but I'll die well before an agreed and accepted origin of Convid is accepted by a majority. if you think Kennedy was assassinated in 1965 and any facts around this are only just being dripped out, the phrase conspiracy theory was introduced to the masses for this event, the wheels of justice can take a long time Dookie, and the rest of the youngsters on here will find this out as they get older, the Q saying is, "Future Proves Past" Yes it was a pysop and just another division tactic, anyway i note last night that RFK junior intends to run as an independent, not sure who will benefit most from this but at least we'll get a further distraction for next years election and something else to fall out over, initially, and if its Biden, Trump and RFK, he'd be my guy if i was an American but he is a climate fanatic I think, so it would be a holding the nose vote to remove the other 2.

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The thing that struck me most about this post when I first read it was that you mean the American election when you talk about the election next year. I prefer to think about elections in which I have a vote, so, barring a surprise decision by Sunak to go to the country in the next three months, “the election next year” for me is the UK one.

That said, you have to be interested in what happens in America and a similarity between the the UK and that country for me is that if I had a vote in both, my overriding motive would be to try to keep an individual and/or party out because no individual or party inspires me enough to vote for positive reasons. It’d be a choice between abstaining and voting Democrat to keep Trump and the Republicans out if I were American - I would be very, very reluctant to vote Biden though as I think the notion of someone running for the highest office in their eighties is asking for trouble (there have been enough signs over the past three years that his age is a problem). I also don’t like the fact that his dog has bitten eleven White House employees at the last count!

As for Covid, the first thing to say is that anything that kills nearly seven million people worldwide is not a con

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/

You’ll dispute those figures of course, but they’ll do for me.

My question is if it was all a con, what was gained from it? All of the restrictions imposed have been lifted (second thoughts, I daresay one or two may survive, but they’re not high profile enough for me to know about them) , so what was the point in “Convid”? Organ Morgan would have it that all of us who have had vaccines are going to die by 2026, but I’ll treat that with the seriousness it deserves.

As is always the case, it comes down to a decision whether you believe in cock up or conspiracy and, as is the case in the vast majotity of times I consider that question it’s the former that wins, although, when it comes to Covid, the fact that decisions were being made on the hoof with poor knowledge, at the time, of what was involved excuses some of the cock ups.