Bulut: 'At least we now know which players can step up'

Bulut knew about Ramsey's injury before this game. I wonder if it affected his selection?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yeah, could well be. Couid also be that he sees certain players in a different light to what they or the fans think. Not saying he's right, but he sees them every day. Nathan Blake made his debut as a central defender against Bristol Rovers (unless it was a few games after he made his debut) he showed plenty of quality in that role, even though he wasn't a defender. That's because he was a good player who could adapt and think for himself. Football isn't that complicated a game.

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Really good thread this, well argued from all sides.

Good point you make about Nathan Blake. I was at Bristol Rovers that day. Ray Daniel was one of our better players back then, I feared the worst when we had to give a debut to an 18-year-old to replace him but Blake had a great game and we only lost 2-1 to a late winner, as I remember. He played left back that day but he did fill in at centre back for us, as well as sweeper and centre-midfield.

Philogene played at wing-back for us last season and he did well there I thought. It can be done, although I see where City123 is coming from here.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I like the way Bulut is talking about Colwill.

He is pulling no punches on the weaknesses that need to be tackled, but clearly sees him as a player with a very high potential ceiling - and puts achieving that down to the coaching and to Rubin himself.

He made similar comments about Tanner but didn’t get the balance right. Too much stick and not enough carrot (in a second or third or fourth language)!

Bulut impresses me more as time goes by.

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When Colwill does his man, which is more often than not, he needs to release it as he’s too slow to get away from people for more than a few yards. He’s getting better though, Bulut is making an impact everywhere

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Really good thread this, well argued from all sides.

Good point you make about Nathan Blake. I was at Bristol Rovers that day. Ray Daniel was one of our better players back then, I feared the worst when we had to give a debut to an 18-year-old to replace him but Blake had a great game and we only lost 2-1 to a late winner, as I remember. He played left back that day but he did fill in at centre back for us, as well as sweeper and centre-midfield.

Philogene played at wing-back for us last season and he did well there I thought. It can be done, although I see where City123 is coming from here.

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Where did i get centre back from? I was at the game as well, a rainy day at Twerton Park if i recall, it was certainly grey. He did play well, i remember him going on a mazey dribble from deep in our half. I may come across as a bit simplistic with my reasoning in this thread, but i really do believe that good players can show what they're about wherever they are on the pitch, they can adapt, show intelligence. I'm not naive enough to think that they're not going to make mistakes or get themselves in poor positions because of a lack of experience, and i'm sure tat bulut and his coaching staff would allow for that.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Where did i get centre back from? I was at the game as well, a rainy day at Twerton Park if i recall, it was certainly grey. He did play well, i remember him going on a mazey dribble from deep in our half. I may come across as a bit simplistic with my reasoning in this thread, but i really do believe that good players can show what they're about wherever they are on the pitch, they can adapt, show intelligence. I'm not naive enough to think that they're not going to make mistakes or get themselves in poor positions because of a lack of experience, and i'm sure tat bulut and his coaching staff would allow for that.

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Exactly. And in a sense you'd think that might take a little of the pressure off them in that no one's expecting them to be perfect.

I thought it was interesting what SP said earlier about Bulut taking players out of their comfort zone. I don't think he's going to bother trying to teach lobsters to play chess while he's here but I reckon he'll be looking to make little tweaks from game to game (and within games) and will be looking for players who can be flexible enough to adapt to any changes he wants to make. Some people are talking about last night as though it was a total waste of time but I'm sure Bulut took plenty out of it.

You haven't been simplistic at all by the way, no one has. It's been an excellent thread, Mike should have it framed.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

When Colwill does his man, which is more often than not, he needs to release it as he’s too slow to get away from people for more than a few yards. He’s getting better though, Bulut is making an impact everywhere

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Very good point. Colwill has a lot of plus points and he might figure prominently in Ramsey's absence. I'm open to disagreement but I think he's a tad slow and ponderous when collecting the ball and that gives too much advantage to the opposition defence.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Exactly. And in a sense you'd think that might take a little of the pressure off them in that no one's expecting them to be perfect.

I thought it was interesting what SP said earlier about Bulut taking players out of their comfort zone. I don't think he's going to bother trying to teach lobsters to play chess while he's here but I reckon he'll be looking to make little tweaks from game to game (and within games) and will be looking for players who can be flexible enough to adapt to any changes he wants to make. Some people are talking about last night as though it was a total waste of time but I'm sure Bulut took plenty out of it.

You haven't been simplistic at all by the way, no one has. It's been an excellent thread, Mike should have it framed.

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Hey Loramski I love your analyses and I always look out for them 👍

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Very good point. Colwill has a lot of plus points and he might figure prominently in Ramsey's absence. I'm open to disagreement but I think he's a tad slow and ponderous when collecting the ball and that gives too much advantage to the opposition defence.

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Surely the way to approach things is acknowledge that Colwill can do things that very few in the squad can (especially if Ramsey is out for some time) and the task facing any City manager is finding a way to integrate that ability into the team format? I think if you’re good on the ball (I’d say even his critics accept Colwill is) and you know it, you’re going to want to take more touches of it - it’s been a running theme of Aaron Ramsey’s career, but it’s a “criticism” which I’d say still applies.

Bulut said that he sees Colwill as a number ten supporting the striker about a month ago, yet has used him almost exclusively in a wider position since then - now, with Ramsey’s injury there is a chance in the short, and possibly long, term to use him in the position he said Colwill is best suited to. In the last two matches, it’s been Ryan Wintle who has been given what I’d call the most advanced central midfielder role, as opposed to number ten. This was a very surprising choice to me, but, with an assist against Coventry, it could be said to have worked that evening and, given how we played at Sunderland, I can understand Wintle before Colwill or Robinson there.

Tomorrow though we face opponents that everyone is expecting us to beat, opponents who have yet to take a point away from home yet and so I think we need to be more aggressive in our selection by either leaving Wintle out or dropping him back to play alongside Siopis and bringing in Colwill or Robinson.

If it is to be Colwill, then there’s a case for Tanner starting because Wednesday offered more evidence of the understanding between those two players - Colwill seems more prepared to release the ball quickly if Tanner is one of the options he has to pass to.

Personally, the success story of the Blackburn game was how Colwill, Tanner (although not as a wing back) and Etete pushed their cases for inclusion in the starting line up for Championship matches.

Although three of them have come in the League Cup, Etete already has scored more goals this season than last and has also scored more than Ugbo in what I’m pretty sure is less game time - a big difference so far from last season is that the competition for attacking places in the first team is much more intense, players like Tanner, Colwill and Etete are making much stronger cases for inclusion every week than they were last year.

Finally, regarding Nathan Blake and playing centre back, that was how Len Ashurst saw his career developing, Blakey was never having it though!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Surely the way to approach things is acknowledge that Colwill can do things that very few in the squad can (especially if Ramsey is out for some time) and the task facing any City manager is finding a way to integrate that ability into the team format? I think if you’re good on the ball (I’d say even his critics accept Colwill is) and you know it, you’re going to want to take more touches of it - it’s been a running theme of Aaron Ramsey’s career, but it’s a “criticism” which I’d say still applies.

Bulut said that he sees Colwill as a number ten supporting the striker about a month ago, yet has used him almost exclusively in a wider position since then - now, with Ramsey’s injury there is a chance in the short, and possibly long, term to use him in the position he said Colwill is best suited to. In the last two matches, it’s been Ryan Wintle who has been given what I’d call the most advanced central midfielder role, as opposed to number ten. This was a very surprising choice to me, but, with an assist against Coventry, it could be said to have worked that evening and, given how we played at Sunderland, I can understand Wintle before Colwill or Robinson there.

Tomorrow though we face opponents that everyone is expecting us to beat, opponents who have yet to take a point away from home yet and so I think we need to be more aggressive in our selection by either leaving Wintle out or dropping him back to play alongside Siopis and bringing in Colwill or Robinson.

If it is to be Colwill, then there’s a case for Tanner starting because Wednesday offered more evidence of the understanding between those two players - Colwill seems more prepared to release the ball quickly if Tanner is one of the options he has to pass to.

Personally, the success story of the Blackburn game was how Colwill, Tanner (although not as a wing back) and Etete pushed their cases for inclusion in the starting line up for Championship matches.

Although three of them have come in the League Cup, Etete already has scored more goals this season than last and has also scored more than Ugbo in what I’m pretty sure is less game time - a big difference so far from last season is that the competition for attacking places in the first team is much more intense, players like Tanner, Colwill and Etete are making much stronger cases for inclusion every week than they were last year.

Finally, regarding Nathan Blake and playing centre back, that was how Len Ashurst saw his career developing, Blakey was never having it though!

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Agree, I think you put it rather better than I did Bob 👍

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Surely the way to approach things is acknowledge that Colwill can do things that very few in the squad can (especially if Ramsey is out for some time) and the task facing any City manager is finding a way to integrate that ability into the team format? I think if you’re good on the ball (I’d say even his critics accept Colwill is) and you know it, you’re going to want to take more touches of it - it’s been a running theme of Aaron Ramsey’s career, but it’s a “criticism” which I’d say still applies.

Bulut said that he sees Colwill as a number ten supporting the striker about a month ago, yet has used him almost exclusively in a wider position since then - now, with Ramsey’s injury there is a chance in the short, and possibly long, term to use him in the position he said Colwill is best suited to. In the last two matches, it’s been Ryan Wintle who has been given what I’d call the most advanced central midfielder role, as opposed to number ten. This was a very surprising choice to me, but, with an assist against Coventry, it could be said to have worked that evening and, given how we played at Sunderland, I can understand Wintle before Colwill or Robinson there.

Tomorrow though we face opponents that everyone is expecting us to beat, opponents who have yet to take a point away from home yet and so I think we need to be more aggressive in our selection by either leaving Wintle out or dropping him back to play alongside Siopis and bringing in Colwill or Robinson.

If it is to be Colwill, then there’s a case for Tanner starting because Wednesday offered more evidence of the understanding between those two players - Colwill seems more prepared to release the ball quickly if Tanner is one of the options he has to pass to.

Personally, the success story of the Blackburn game was how Colwill, Tanner (although not as a wing back) and Etete pushed their cases for inclusion in the starting line up for Championship matches.

Although three of them have come in the League Cup, Etete already has scored more goals this season than last and has also scored more than Ugbo in what I’m pretty sure is less game time - a big difference so far from last season is that the competition for attacking places in the first team is much more intense, players like Tanner, Colwill and Etete are making much stronger cases for inclusion every week than they were last year.

Finally, regarding Nathan Blake and playing centre back, that was how Len Ashurst saw his career developing, Blakey was never having it though!

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Yes, it does seem like the perfect opportunity to play Colwill there, but does Bulut trust him yet?

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Really good thread this, well argued from all sides.

Good point you make about Nathan Blake. I was at Bristol Rovers that day. Ray Daniel was one of our better players back then, I feared the worst when we had to give a debut to an 18-year-old to replace him but Blake had a great game and we only lost 2-1 to a late winner, as I remember. He played left back that day but he did fill in at centre back for us, as well as sweeper and centre-midfield.

Philogene played at wing-back for us last season and he did well there I thought. It can be done, although I see where City123 is coming from here.

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Go on Ray

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Originally Posted by fugsyphil

Go on Ray

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I've got a semi ammusing story about Ray Daniel, on the day he started at the club,well, it's sort of amusing!