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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
Have been hoping to able to do it for years, and got the train today :hehe: to try out the commute, Alarm at 05.30 :frown: 06.20 train from High Level, in the office having a cuppa by 07.45, 16.55 train home having tea at 18.10, when its raining and windy I'll use the car, other than that, will be the choo choo, no M4, No Corryton roundabout, No. merge in pal :hehe: £9.0 sovs a day but it does cost me 3 sovs a day to park when taking car so little bit more expensive but not deal breaking. and stress free if the fkin drivers don't decide to strike again :hehe:
The trains are great, but they are on strike half the time, poor train drivers how are they supposed to manage on £60K a year!
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
I hope Drakeford makes a law that The M4 speed limit is 20mph-Just for this weekend. They'll all be going 70 if he does that.
:hehe: 90mph
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Been trying to think of another protest where the protestors do what they’re protesting about
Hope it’s not the start of something
Just stop oil idling 4x4s outside schools
NSPCC drowning kids in Barry island
RSPCA stringing up hamsters in Trafalgar Square
It’d be comical if they didn’t have potential to cause a pile up of people just going about their daily lives
A task on The Apprentice a few years ago was to create a new celebration day in the calendar and a greetings card to go with it.
One team came up with International Environment Day. Great idea until Alan Sugar pointed out that thousands of trees would need chopping down to make all the greetings cards.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I imagine if Cathedral road is busy, it'll save buses much more than 30 seconds.
Some will disagree here, but there's no way the rate of road building can match the increasing number of cars on the road, meaning roads get clogged up. There has to be other options instead of just building more roads, particuarly where it's impossible to do so.
People moan that public transport isn't good enough to leave the car at home, yet those same people moan when public transport priority measures are implemented.
It's not that the existing roads couldn't cope they could, they've just halved the lanes and handed them over to buses that are useless and too infrequent and cycle lanes that are empty because it P!sses down every day. It's a dictatorship, you dopey welsh will do as I say.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Living in England I don't have much of a dog in this fight but it it quite amusing watching people concurrently whinging about a speed limit restriction that slows twenty people in cars by 30 seconds then about 20 or so people on a bus going 30 seconds quicker down a similar street!
That's not right is it, there are a thousand cars to every bus, and they both get one lane each, so obviously the cars are stuck in traffic and the bus lanes are empty.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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JamesWales
It's an odd protest but unless I'm mistaken the last one didnt actually slow people down (unlike what they are protesting about) or stop people going about their lives (unlike what Just Stop Oil, who others have mentioned do). So it doesn't seem worth people getting too upset about.
What do the police say about it?
It seems daft, it would be better to get all the banger racers in the UK, and smash all the cars doing twenty out of the way so people could go about their business at a normal speed.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
That's not right is it, there are a thousand cars to every bus, and they both get one lane each, so obviously the cars are stuck in traffic and the bus lanes are empty.
So because the cars are stuck in traffic, which doesnt include buses as theyre in a different lane, then you acknowledge that cars are the problem as they are the traffic.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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The Bloop
So because the cars are stuck in traffic, which doesnt include buses as theyre in a different lane, then you acknowledge that cars are the problem as they are the traffic.
No the lack of lanes is the problem, take the bus lanes out, and everyone gets a fair chance to move, why should three people on a bus get priority over 1000 people in cars?
Wales are trying to kill the car with their blanket anti-car measures, which us stupid as our public transport is useless bar the trains when they are not on strike.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
So because the cars are stuck in traffic, which doesnt include buses as theyre in a different lane, then you acknowledge that cars are the problem as they are the traffic.
No, the problems is the designated lanes. If you want a good laugh drive down Penhill onto Cathedral Road at a morning or evening rush hour. The traffic backs up all the way down Cathedral Road and usually there are 5 or 6 buses stationery in traffic because it's all going into 1 lane further up. Whereas before they sectioned Penhill off the buses would proceed slowly but steadily up the hill, now they're stuck 500yds away in solid traffic..
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The trains are great, but they are on strike half the time, poor train drivers how are they supposed to manage on £60K a year!
Only 2nd day, the train was announced as canceled as I got on the platform this morning!!!
A quick walk over to low level for the next train but had to change at queen Street to get to central to connect with destination train.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's an odd protest but unless I'm mistaken the last one didnt actually slow people down (unlike what they are protesting about) or stop people going about their lives (unlike what Just Stop Oil, who others have mentioned do). So it doesn't seem worth people getting too upset about.
What do the police say about it?
If going 20 in a 70 zone didn’t slow people down, doesn’t it kind of ruin the whole argument about journey times being drastically increased by changing 30 zones to 20?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
Only 2nd day, the train was announced as canceled as I got on the platform this morning!!!
A quick walk over to low level for the next train but had to change at queen Street to get to central to connect with destination train.
You are lucky there, Heath has access to both lines, and you have the best public transport options in Cardiff :thumbup:
But if you have to see someone in Rumney or Ely you'd need a car, public transport is not a viable option for those types of journeys.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Canton Kev
If going 20 in a 70 zone didn’t slow people down, doesn’t it kind of ruin the whole argument about journey times being drastically increased by changing 30 zones to 20?
No because where there is 2 or 3 lanes you can go round them whereas on a single lane you can't. It does sound dangerous though, I don't know if the police approve it?!
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
No because where there is 2 or 3 lanes you can go round them whereas on a single lane you can't. It does sound dangerous though, I don't know if the police approve it?!
Surely they will drive three wide and block all lanes otherwise whats the point?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
No because where there is 2 or 3 lanes you can go round them whereas on a single lane you can't. It does sound dangerous though, I don't know if the police approve it?!
If that's the case how would it not slow people down?
And if it didn't slow people down, what's the point?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
The world is falling apart and these people are protesting a 20mph speed limit. I despair.
Exactly that, people should be protesting about the £5billion that Wales has been robbed of by Westminster that could be used for doctors, nurses, schools and transport improvements but small minds obsess about their 15 minute drive taking 30 seconds longer.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Exactly that, people should be protesting about the £5billion that Wales has been robbed of by Westminster that could be used for doctors, nurses, schools and transport improvements but small minds obsess about their 15 minute drive taking 30 seconds longer.
I think he was talking about the thousands of deaths in the middle east rather than Welsh independence
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
If that's the case how would it not slow people down?
And if it didn't slow people down, what's the point?
The point, I assume, like most protests before the selfish twats from JSO started is to create a conversation and make a noise etc. Which is working.
I dunno, but I gather they only went in the slow lane.
I'm surprised it's allowed as I don't think roads are places for protests whatever it is
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Exactly that, people should be protesting about the £5billion that Wales has been robbed of by Westminster that could be used for doctors, nurses, schools and transport improvements but small minds obsess about their 15 minute drive taking 30 seconds longer.
Why don't you protest their protest to tell them what they should be protesting about?
What is this £5bn anyway?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Exactly that, people should be protesting about the £5billion that Wales has been robbed of by Westminster that could be used for doctors, nurses, schools and transport improvements but small minds obsess about their 15 minute drive taking 30 seconds longer.
Doctors, schools and nurses? Perhaps you meant quangos.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
Has any protest or March in the UK, ever resulted in the government making a u turn on said policy ?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Has any protest or March in the UK, ever resulted in the government making a u turn on said policy ?
Poll tax?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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The Bloop
Poll tax?
Think the poll tax was scrapped because nobody paid it 😂
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Der Kaiser
Fair play anyone taking part in that has reached new heights of complete and utter loser behaviour.
Get a hobby ffs.
It doesn't really affect me but i'd say signing a electronic petition that's just going to be ignored is more pointless.
I'd say action does lead to much more direct results
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
For those who are considering joining this protest, they need to realise what it may result in.
Driving too slowly in a manner that disrupts other drivers is an offence under the law of inconsiderate and careless driving. This has an unlimited fine and a penalty range of 3 to 9 points on your licence.
You may think that there would be too many other drivers involved to punish every one, but the Police would be more than happy to go through CCTV and NPR data to locate each offender and summon them to court.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
I agree with 79blue.
Driving slowly on the motorway is dangerous and the police should ticket and prosecute all who do so.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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79blue
For those who are considering joining this protest, they need to realise what it may result in.
Driving too slowly in a manner that disrupts other drivers is an offence under the law of inconsiderate and careless driving. This has an unlimited fine and a penalty range of 3 to 9 points on your licence.
You may think that there would be too many other drivers involved to punish every one, but the Police would be more than happy to go through CCTV and NPR data to locate each offender and summon them to court.
Agreed unless all the number plates fell off.
Drippy probably wouldn't care unless it was near his house and it affected him.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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North Cardiff Blue
Agreed unless all the number plates fell off.
Drippy probably wouldn't care unless it was near his house and it affected him.
Driving without a number plate or an obscured plate will get you an additional fine of £1,000.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
It's a shame people aren't as incensed by homelessness, poverty and decimated public services. No protests at massive companies making billions whilst people are afraid to turn the heating on.
Car wankers
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Think the poll tax was scrapped because nobody paid it 😂
The strikes at the Dagenham Ford factory led to equal pay for women.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Harry Lime
It's a shame people aren't as incensed by homelessness, poverty and decimated public services. No protests at massive companies making billions whilst people are afraid to turn the heating on.
Car wankers
Massive companies making billions mean hundreds of millions in various taxes. Yeah, let's protest..
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
The world is falling apart and these people are protesting a 20mph speed limit. I despair.
This
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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A Quiet Monkfish
Massive companies making billions mean hundreds of millions in various taxes. Yeah, let's protest..
Yes, just like such companies as Amazon, Google, Apple etc paying generous amounts of tax to the exchequer!!!!
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Massive companies making billions mean hundreds of millions in various taxes. Yeah, let's protest..
Brilliant old trickle down economics, got us exactly where we are. Elderly people going cold this winter and hard working people having to use foodbanks
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Harry Lime
Brilliant old trickle down economics, got us exactly where we are. Elderly people going cold this winter and hard working people having to use foodbanks
It’s just a shame the WAG didn’t redistribute money wasted on failed projects in these areas.
They want to expend the Welsh government at a cost of millions ( when was the last time you saw a AM) yet there is no money for school meals during term times , essential local government services etc.
The motorist is an easy scapegoat I suppose :hehe:
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
It’s just a shame the WAG didn’t redistribute money wasted on failed projects in these areas.
They want to expend the Welsh government at a cost of millions ( when was the last time you saw a AM) yet there is no money for school meals during term times , essential local government services etc.
The motorist is an easy scapegoat I suppose :hehe:
Poor you.
Car wanker
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
It’s just a shame the WAG didn’t redistribute money wasted on failed projects in these areas.
They want to expend the Welsh government at a cost of millions ( when was the last time you saw a AM) yet there is no money for school meals during term times , essential local government services etc.
The motorist is an easy scapegoat I suppose :hehe:
Everyone has free school meals now. Why are you deliberately misleading?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Harry Lime
Brilliant old trickle down economics, got us exactly where we are. Elderly people going cold this winter and hard working people having to use foodbanks
Biggest con job ever! Trickle down economics? Most people have some semblance of education now, surely no one is daft enough to believe that old myth. The rich keep their Dosh; they don't trickle it down to anybody because they get friendly governments to ensure it doesn't escape their greasy mitts.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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JamesWales
The point, I assume, like most protests before the selfish twats from JSO started is to create a conversation and make a noise etc. Which is working.
I dunno, but I gather they only went in the slow lane.
I'm surprised it's allowed as I don't think roads are places for protests whatever it is
I’d get that, but as a few on this board will tell you, EVERYONE is already talking about it non stop. Surely there’s no point getting people talking and raising awareness to an issue which everyone bar none is already talking about because it’s damaged their lives irreparably. So I’m back to wondering what the point is.
I wonder if they’ll get half a million joining this protest given it’s so important to the majority of Wales. Or will it be about 20 old timers shaking their fists. Only time will tell.
Have to agree though that I’m very surprised any protest involving the roads, especially a motorway is allowed
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
Given some of the sentiments expressed in this thread, I thought I'd share my experience this morning of driving over the Rhygos mountain in the dark with no road lights to guide me apart from the, not very good, cats eyes in the middle of the road. I make the journey once a week and stick to the 40 mph speed limit in force for about eighty per cent of the journey between Treherbert and Hirwaun, so I'd be breaking the speed limit if I drove two or three mph faster.
This morning, the journey was made worse by steady rain and the fact that my windscreen demisters always take ages to start having an effect. Although I've made the journey plenty of times now and so know the route well, it was harder than normal to see clearly this morning and so I was sometimes slowing to about 30mph, but there was never any one behind me at the time.
By the time someone quickly appeared behind me, the visibility problem had gone and so I was driving steadily at 40 mph (i.e. the speed limit for the road). This didn't stop the driver behind me flashing their lights at me and roaring past me as soon as the road was clear.
By now, I was close to the part of the road which is being repaired after what might be called a mini avalanche last year where it narrows to one lane which is controlled by traffic lights. I saw the car that had overtaken me drive through a red light and, having stopped myself at the lights, the three vehicles behind me went past me to drive through the same red light. Besides this, as is always the case when I drove along this road at 40 mph, I was overtaken by three or four vehicles as a matter of course - it makes you feel like someone driving 40 mph on a motorway.
On the return journey, I was approaching a roundabout where I was turning right, so I indicated to pull into the outside line and did so when I was about one fifty yards from the roundabout. Again, I was doing about 40 mph at the time, but this didn't stop a car behind me overtaking me on the inside and then cutting in front of me about seventy yards from the roundabout.
Can I ask those getting in such a state about the 20 mph speed limit what they think about all of the law breakers I saw out on the road this morning? Strictly speaking, I'd say about 50 per cent of the drivers I encountered this morning were clearly breaking driving laws and this doesn't include those, myself included, who were driving at about 25 mph in the one 20 mph zone I encountered on that journey from Treherbert to Hirwaun.
It seems to me that petitioning and demonstrating for something to be done about the approach of the law breakers I experienced this morning would be something for those making such an issue about the reduction of a speed limit to get involved with, but, of course, there's no party political element involved there is there.