Wales HS2 funding Petition

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If the current tory lot are booted out , we get a decent moderate government and a vote to return power to Westminster is brought forward then I think I would prefer that than the shambles we have at the moment

I voted for the assembly but I wouldn't vote for it again I think they are all an embarrassment, right across the parties

There's a handful of representatives there that have had any shape on them but no more than that

Rodri Morgan ? Jesus christ , absolutely hopeless

Carwyn Jones had a bit of charisma but drakeford and the rest of the Tories and Plaid?

Adam Price ? Eluned Morgan ?

Hopeless

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All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

Isn’t true that as soon as the proposed funding make up was on the table for debate that the WAG should have been much stronger about not allowing the Westminster bandits to get away with defrauding the citizens of Wales.

Let’s have the truth on the record and on the table so that we can see which one of the incompetent individuals is responsible for this almighty fk up.

Now there is no chance of getting any of that funding returned because ‘they’ have already earmarked it for spending elsewhere and it’s not in Wales. North or South

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

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.like 20mph, longest NHS waiting lists, worst road infrastructure, not spending £millions given to them, alienating 80% of it's population ? Decisions like that ?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

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I don't think singing the national anthem before a rugby game makes rhodri morgan any more suitable to run Wales than anyone else

If the people of Wales were given the chance to vote on the assembly again then I would use my vote to go back to what we had initially .....some devolved powers

I would be more than happy with a UK labour or liberal government appointment an English MP to oversee Wales , its wether or not they do a good job that matters

I am sure Adam Price is a decent bloke and cares about Wales but he's better off rambling up and down the hills with Derek Brockway than running a country

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't think singing the national anthem before a rugby game makes rhodri morgan any more suitable to run Wales than anyone else

If the people of Wales were given the chance to vote on the assembly again then I would use my vote to go back to what we had initially .....some devolved powers

I would be more than happy with a UK labour or liberal government appointment an English MP to oversee Wales , its wether or not they do a good job that matters

I am sure Adam Price is a decent bloke and cares about Wales but he's better off rambling up and down the hills with Derek Brockway than running a country

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How often does the UK get a Labour or Liberal government? Not often. England is largely a Tory voting country.

Thankfully you won't get your wish. There is no high level of public opinion wanting rid of the Welsh Government. In the last opinion poll, there was as much opinion to give the Welsh Government more powers.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

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Exactly, always makes me laugh when people criticise Welsh politicians as if they're uniquely useless when you've got that shambles up in Westminster

I think it speaks to the lack of confidence Welsh people have in Wales, I can't think of many countries who would be slagging off their own politicians in favour of ones from the country next door. Adam Price went to Harvard University and Sludge reckons all he's good for is walking around hills with a weatherman! Fortunately this lack of confidence seems to be disappearing with the younger generations

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't think singing the national anthem before a rugby game makes rhodri morgan any more suitable to run Wales than anyone else

If the people of Wales were given the chance to vote on the assembly again then I would use my vote to go back to what we had initially .....some devolved powers

I would be more than happy with a UK labour or liberal government appointment an English MP to oversee Wales , its wether or not they do a good job that matters

I am sure Adam Price is a decent bloke and cares about Wales but he's better off rambling up and down the hills with Derek Brockway than running a country

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The original devolution settlement was a shambles, what we have now is far from perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than what we got originally, it was completely dysfunctional and made no sense at all. Fortunately very few people want to go back to it

The problem isn’t the Senedd, it’s Welsh Labour. I can’t stand the tories but the ‘one and a half party state’ we’ve ended up with breeds complacency.

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Originally Posted by HiVis

where is this £5bn figure come from?

you do realise that the funding for HS2 was to be borrowed and paid back over 50 years. You're talking about £100m per annum, not £5bn in one go.

and transport is a devolved matter.

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https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...re-12-05-2023/

Yes great £100m per year fantastic what a gotcha.

How is transport being devolved matter? All that matters here is budget and where does the Welsh Government get its budget from...? Another great gotcha from you!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Welsh Government: Taxpayers 'let down' after Wales failed to spend £150m The money was lost by the government due to "poor account management" according to a Senedd Committee

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...end-it-in-time

The Welsh Government wasted £144m on M4 relief road - MORE than £80 million of Welsh taxpayer's money was spent on drawing up proposals for the scrapped M4 relief road, while £10.72 million was used to buy land where the road would have been built

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/ne...ief-road-went/

Senedd: 36 more Welsh Parliament members could cost extra £18m per year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66807278

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All the more reason to have this £5b isn’t it?

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Originally Posted by Bruce Parry

The problem isn’t the Senedd, it’s Welsh Labour. I can’t stand the tories but the ‘one and a half party state’ we’ve ended up with breeds complacency.

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I’ve got good news for you. If the Welsh think the Tories are better, they can vote them in.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://twitter.com/heddgwynfor/stat...rlai11BRA&s=19

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2000 signitutres :hehe:

The Drippy fans were saying half a million isn't many because there are more people in Wales than that :hehe:

The people have spoken!

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

How often does the UK get a Labour or Liberal government? Not often. England is largely a Tory voting country.

Thankfully you won't get your wish. There is no high level of public opinion wanting rid of the Welsh Government. In the last opinion poll, there was as much opinion to give the Welsh Government more powers.

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Listen the only way crazy old nationalists will get any power is through the back door of the assembly

That's absolutely no way that if you put Plaid Cymru up in every seat and backed it financially it would get in

I will only ever vote Plaid Cymru in local elections as a protest vote or to keep the Tories out

All this yes Cymru stuff is utter nonsense a few thousand on a march in Cardiff and they think the public want to bring back owain glyndwr

If we can get the Tories out and Labour and the liberals team up on PR then we can keep the Tories out and you lot can get your piece of the pie

The ultimate wish of Plaid is independence which will never be maintained by the economy we have , it's a fantasy island pipedream

So let's keep the Welsh language alive and strengthen it .......that's been down to labour and Plaid working together ......have devolved government .....and keep the Tories out permanently

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’ve got good news for you. If the Welsh think the Tories are better, they can vote them in.

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The worrying thing for Plaid is that despite the shitshow it's a good chance that more people will vote Tory than Plaid at the next election

Every major election they have the chance and people don't want independence

The best to hope for is for everyone to work together and keep the Tories away from power and we can do that by getting PR in Westminster