New Cardiff indoor musical arena

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

The capacity is adjustable, the same way Birmingham’s NEC is and to a lesser extent the Motorpoint is.

15k is a good capacity. 10k and you might as well just keep the Motorpoint as the amount of extra bands that it would attract isn’t worth it. 10k also wouldn’t be able to compete with Bristol’s arena that would be double the size.

Why can’t Cardiff support a 15k venue? We regularly get the biggest acts in the world playing at the Millennium Stadium to ~80k people.

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You do realise that when the really big acts play the millenium they come from all over the UK?

People are not going to come to Cardiff arena from Bristol, Swindon , Exeter , Bath as they do now if there is a similar venue in Bristol

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Live Nation/Ticketmaster wouldn't be involved if they didn't think it would work.

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They are part of the venture , they are not building the whole thing

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They are part of the venture , they are not building the whole thing

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Which is why I used the term "involved".

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Which is why I used the term "involved".

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They could be 95 percent involved

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They could be 95 percent involved

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They could be 1% involved. They'd still be involved.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

They could be 1% involved. They'd still be involved.

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But a big business like that won't be bothered if it loses 1 percent of its stake but would be if it was the majority investor ?

In wall street they would call it risk capital

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

A lot easier to get to than Birmingham NEC

Although a 19 k arena is ridiculous

I hope Cardiff goes in at about 10 k seats , big gigs are not really my scene but some of the bands I like won't play venues smaller than that because of the stage show

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Kiss? :P

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You do realise that when the really big acts play the millenium they come from all over the UK?

People are not going to come to Cardiff arena from Bristol, Swindon , Exeter , Bath as they do now if there is a similar venue in Bristol

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Why not? Cardiff has a massive catchment area and every big band that people are interested in aren’t going to solely play Bristol.

Concerts aren’t like football where the support is localised and you need a large population to build a large stadium.

Looking at the people with upcoming arena gigs across the country you’ve got Rick Astley, Niall Horan, Noel Gallagher, Slash, Arctic Monkeys, etc.

If they played in Cardiff it would sell out.

Even if they didn’t, surely it’s better to entice these sort of acts and sell 13,000 tickets rather than miss out on them to other places, such as Bristol, because we can only promise them a 10,000 crowd?

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Kiss? :P

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I havnt seen kiss since 1997

Even then they looked old gits

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Why not? Cardiff has a massive catchment area and every big band that people are interested in aren’t going to solely play Bristol.

Concerts aren’t like football where the support is localised and you need a large population to build a large stadium.

Looking at the people with upcoming arena gigs across the country you’ve got Rick Astley, Niall Horan, Noel Gallagher, Slash, Arctic Monkeys, etc.

If they played in Cardiff it would sell out.

Even if they didn’t, surely it’s better to entice these sort of acts and sell 13,000 tickets rather than miss out on them to other places, such as Bristol, because we can only promise them a 10,000 crowd?

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You need a big population for arenas in the same way you need a big population for airports

If we had built a 12000 seater venue 6 or 7years ago we would have stolen a march on brizzle and the arena they are coming up with now would have been playing catch up

Now it's the other way round and two arenas close to each means one is going to miss out on a lot of gigs

Liverpool , Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield all compete up north so I would suggest that a 10000 seater venue in Cardiff is going to get plenty of gigs being as the only one available for the west Country and South Wales for the last 30 years has been the CIA with just 5000 seating capacity and 7000 standing

I think it's just logical and sensible because a 15000 seater venue is BIG and half of our gigs will now be in Bristol

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

As for the train station are there any plans to rip up cardiff central as , unless money is the object we surely need a bigger station

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IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.

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Originally Posted by nomad blue

IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.

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If new stations are opened to take pressure off central that would be good

Say queen's Street expansion

Or this much talked about Eastern Parkway

But if nothing happens surely just adding another platform on the southern end , by the existing car park ...to cater for Cardiff Bay.....is just faffing about ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

2026 ?

Ff sake

If Bristol build one before us then that will be first on the big gig circuit and get established

I read that the capacity is going to be reduced which isn't a bad thing

15000 seems a bit ambitious

Big arenas in the UK from Scotland down ....

Glasgow
Newcastle
Leeds
Sheffield
Manchester
Liverpool
Nottingham
Birmingham
London

Then Cardiff , if its built ?

That's a huge arc of Swansea, Cardiff , Newport , Valleys , Bristol , Bath , Gloucester , Swindon, Exeter

I suppose Southampton , Portsmouth etc would come under Brighton Arena

So it's between us and the wurzels

I would think if or when Bristol build anything then the extra hour to us will be a factor

This has taken years

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They have had extensive discussions with local residents which has obviously slowed things up. I'd say that is a good thing though.

Are Live Nation involved in Bristol? If they’re not then it will never be competition for a Live Nation run Cardiff arena.

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Originally Posted by nomad blue

IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.

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Like the bus station, it'll be on commuter wish lists for years yet.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He's not a city Councillor, he's a Welsh assembly representative

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And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.

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I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

The NEC Birmingham is an example

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.

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and the council makes a fortune by closing off the streets behind City Hall where you can normally park fora couple of quid and charge people £10 or more for the same facility.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Ours will be better than Bristols as long as Drippy has nothing to do with it.

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Why would he? What's his connection with Cardiff Council?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.

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When did you graduate with your PhD in talking bollocks?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

The NEC Birmingham is an example

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Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

You are comparing apples with oranges.

I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.

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Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost

I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.

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Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

Where the canal runs into the Dock?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

Where the canal runs into the Dock?

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I don't live there FT but yes.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

You are comparing apples with oranges.

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Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

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Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost

I don't live there FT but yes.

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Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

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Better in the city centre, but with a dedicated public transport system, park and rides etc. That's what is lacking, and people will take the risk of getting caught up in traffic if the costs are negligible. An arena in the centre brings business to the pubs, restaurants, shops etc, creates jobs, a vibrant city centre has much more value than an arena on the out skirts of town, same could be said of a football stadium. The problem is public transport.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?

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Atlantic Wharf Fishing Club has permission to use our car park which is a bit further towards Tyndall Street. Access is controlled by phone and only those registered can use it. They obviously have some arrangement but I don't know what it is I'm afraid. Send them a message?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

The NEC Birmingham is an example

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Well that's not happening, it's based in Wales :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

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Leeds Arena is just off the city centre you moron. :hehe: Coryton roundabout is about 5 miles away from Cardiff City centre.

You would argue black is white rather than see someone else’s point. You should transgender to being a woman.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

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Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.

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Without checking, i would have thought that most of these Arenas would be within a few miles of a City Centre and not off some motorway junction. They're not airports.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.

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15 minute walk if you are lucky

It's just off the ring road

What sort of road system has Cardiff got to deal with a big venue so close to the city ?

Leeds is surrounded by major road systems to disperse traffic quickly

We have the A4232 ......and that's it

Building these things in the middle of city's isn't a great idea

I wouldn't want to be living in South Cardiff when a gig or event is going on . Which could be 4 nights a week .

And if CCFC are at home ?

Good luck with all that

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Without checking, i would have thought that most of these Arenas would be within a few miles of a City Centre and not off some motorway junction. They're not airports.

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Most of these arenas have decent motorway systems to disperse traffic

Leeds , Manchester , Sheffield

We have a few noddy roads

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Leeds Arena is just off the city centre you moron. :hehe: Coryton roundabout is about 5 miles away from Cardiff City centre.

You would argue black is white rather than see someone else’s point. You should transgender to being a woman.

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Leeds Arena has a extensive motorway system around it , including ring roads , to disperse traffic

Cardiff , if you didn't know , doesn't

That's why traffic is such a problem for big events

CCFC and a 15000 gig at this new arena

How are they all going to get in .....we only have the A4232 link road from coryton interchange to get all the traffic for football and rock concerts down to the new arena

Maybe we can kick off at 5pm

Can you get down in time ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Leeds Arena has a extensive motorway system around it , including ring roads , to disperse traffic

Cardiff , if you didn't know , doesn't

That's why traffic is such a problem for big events

CCFC and a 15000 gig at this new arena

How are they all going to get in .....we only have the A4232 link road from coryton interchange to get all the traffic for football and rock concerts down to the new arena

Maybe we can kick off at 5pm

Can you get down in time ?

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Cardiff gate and Cardiff West junctions off the M4 have decent access to the bay.

It’s 15,000 not 75,000 ffs

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Cardiff gate and Cardiff West junctions off the M4 have decent access to the bay.

It’s 15,000 not 75,000 ffs

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Yup, i live on a main artery into Cardiff and Traffic isn't much different on match days when City play or when the rugby is on. There are certain points that get busy due to Traffic joining, apart from that it's nothing much out of the ordinary, basically, it's always busy. The road i'm on would see a lot of people travelling down North and West of the City.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Cardiff gate and Cardiff West junctions off the M4 have decent access to the bay.

It’s 15,000 not 75,000 ffs

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I have already mentioned the Cardiff West A4232 , that will get worse

Do you drive to ccfc games ?

You know that getting into and away from the Leckwith interchange is a nightmare as it is ? Surely ?

It's been named as the busiest and most clogged up exit around Cardiff

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have already mentioned the Cardiff West A4232 , that will get worse

Do you drive to ccfc games ?

You know that getting into and away from the Leckwith interchange is a nightmare as it is ? Surely ?

It's been named as the busiest and most clogged up exit around Cardiff

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It's going to be busy when 20,000 people are all leaving the same place at the same time, while other people are out doing their business as well. It's never been any different.