Don't like the bloke and disagree with him on pretty much everything, but I still don't understand why he was arrested.
What law did he break?
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Don't like the bloke and disagree with him on pretty much everything, but I still don't understand why he was arrested.
What law did he break?
To prevent a breach of the peaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Basically him and his goons being there could have led to confrontation with some Jewish people on the march who understandably see through him or left of centre Palestinian sympathisers
That sort of thing
This is the thing. It is a bit dodgy.
The organisers didn't want him to attend, and that's fair enough. But you can't really stop it. He was arrested from a cafe having breakfast essentially for nothing.
Like I said he's a dick for going there when asked not to, but it's very excessive on the videos and he will only have got more support as a result
I hadn't seen that before. The symbol is certainly offensive. Offensive and inappropriate even if there are now fascists with ministerial posts in the Israeli government. Protestors need find a different way of showing that Israel is a violent colonial power with a racist state ideology. Israel is not the same as Nazi Germany and no one should use a swastika symbol to imply it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
However, the words are not. There should not be a Conservative Friends of Israel and a Labour Friends of Israel as official parliamentary organisations that have close ties to the embassy of a foreign state and act as advocates for that state within the UK legislature. There are no other 'Friends of' groups in Parliament - unless you count the empty shell of Labour Friends of Palestine - a PR exercise in mock impartiality and a group that never met (Lisa Nandy was supposed to be the chair and was happy to promote the con).
But the usual (in recent weeks) claims of those who see the Palestine marches as 'hate marches' is to call 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' as anti semitic and a cause of distress to UK Jews. There were certainly thousands of placards with that on in the recent marches, and it was a regular chant. It was Jewish people leading that chant where I was on Saturday - and it clearly means something very different from the claims of Braverman, the Chief Rabbi and the clutch of pro-Israel propagandists. It means an Israel/Palestine of peace and justice. It means an end to occupation. It means human rights for all. As a slogan it is completely consistent with a future two state solution or with a single state of equal rights and opportunities. It is not consistent with a greater Israel in which the remaining Palestinians have been killed or expelled - and if supporters of that particular vision are offended by the chant, then good.
The other recent propaganda attacks on supporters of the Palestinians (including tens of thousands of UK Jews) is that the Palestinian flag is threatening and anti semitic; that describing Israeli war crimes as war crimes, or describing genocide in Gaza as genocide is anti semitic; and that reference to the death of over 5000 children under Israeli bombs and tank shells is repeating the medieval blood libel! All cynical crap designed to silence those speaking out for victims in Israel/Palestine.
The marches have been explicitly opposed to anti semitism and Islamophobia. The organisers have condemned the Hamas murders and hostage taking. But after 7 October the civilians being crushed, dismembered and burned to death are mainly Palestinian. That is the focus.
The leader of the Campaign Against Antisemitism today claimed that the Palestine marches had made London unsafe for Jews - ignoring the thousands of Jews who took an active part in those marches and the Jewish speakers at the end of them (and not just the London demonstrations but dozens of smaller ones around the UK since the start of the attack on Gaza).
There have been a handful of people arrested (similar proportion of the crowd as at the much smaller protest against anti semitism in London today). Some of those have displayed or shouted anti semitic messages. Some of them have been arrested for having slogans in Arabic that the Met Police couldn't understand so decided to make arrests just in case. A young woman on my coach from Sheffield on Saturday was picked off by the police for carrying a baby body bag with English and Arabic words on it denouncing baby murder in Gaza! Another was arrested for a placard that said 'Zionism is Terrorism".
Apart from the dozens of regional demonstrations (in Sheffield twice a weeks since early October) the London events have been huge - with 800,000 on 11 November and 300,000 on 25 November (both Press Association figures) and have been marked by how disciplined and well behaved they have been. Angry yes but not violent or abusive or intimidatory. An Israeli spokesman on the BBC today labelled them as pro-Hamas rallies. More cynical crap!
Did this actually happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Doesn't matter what he classes his "work" as, fact is he is not a journalist. Do you seriously think he holds an NUJ card?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
So - there were anti semites carrying anti semitic posters on that march then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The woman (and many like her on that march) I believe have been 'got at' in exactly the same way that Tommy Robinson gets at people. They get triggered. Just like people that come out with statements re conservative / labour friends of Israel having to be persona non grata.
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Originally Posted by Doucas
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/stat...YkpxHHWUQ&s=19
I'm assuming after Yaxley led a group dimwits into Chinatown a few weekends ago and then hailed a "Taxi for Tommy" the Met didn't want a brave Yaxley stirring up the shiit again before strolling off, being back in his hotel enjoying a pint and playing the victim.
Yaxley obviously led his group of merry men into Chinatown whilst undertaking serious journalism work.
He got a five year prevention order for stalking another journalist and turning up at her home to threaten her family.
Seems odd that he'd do that to another member of his profession.
I did watch the full version of the "Tommy Takedown Panodrama", where he very successfully proves Panorama were making things up or rather John Sweeney 'investigative journalist' was. Sweeney was subsequently sacked.
There is also a very interesting conversation between Maajid Nawaz and Robinson re the Rotherham (and many other places) grooming gang problem.
I believe it was requested that he should not attend by the organisers and IMO, he should not have attended, whoever funds him (and I believe that this is where he should be investigated) should foot the bill for the ridiculous amount of police there in a staged operation to arrest him, I saw very little TV yesterday and only saw his arrest in a tweet, he didn't appear to do anything wrong but trouble does seem to follow him around, it could be argued that arresting people on the basis that trouble might be imminent then, you could make a case for banning football fans from attending away games and home games!! (away travel should be banned anyway due to unnecessary Co2) follow the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Change the name Tommy Robinson and insert a name of a divisive character from the Islamic community . Ask them not to attend something and see the response. No one has the right to tell anyone where they can and cant go just because of their political opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
The only time that can be allowed, is if it was part of an ASBO type order. That can only be in made in court as part of a sentence I believe. Anjem Choudary did the same sort of thing - until convicted of terrorism. Up until them - the Police allowed him to say whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.
Remember the bodies coming back from Iraq and the protests in Wooton Bassett ? - The Police allowed them - if I remember correctly.
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Originally Posted by pipster
Out of 300000 people on a political march there were a few people who behaved offensively ....who suggested there wasn't?
Not me
It appears they were identified
No evidence that many were , as you suggest
Are you politically in the same gang as Robinson?Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
You seem to be right up his alley
Dear me you are a cardQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Tommy Robinson has a long list of violent offences and the edl and his crew cause problems wherever they go
The police arrested him to prevent trouble
The police are guilty of making mistakes and sometimes criminal ones but getting that thug out of the way during protest marches is top form as far as I am concerned
Yesterday on the news I saw the police arresting several muslim extremists with offensive banners and objects at a side show with pathetic numbers of support .....but nevertheless individual Palestinian sympathisers were arrested to stop disorder
What's the score then ?
This one rule for us and another for THEM diatribe by you is showing you up
Oh deary me - meds not working again?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Just for the avoidance of doubt Robinson is an agitator - just like there are similar on the other side. And no he should not have been there. But you cant and shouldn't shut someone up or arrest them because they have a different opinion to you - well maybe in your world you world.
Same goes for the one armed preacher that used to be in Finsbury mosque and also Anjem Choudary. Didnt like what they had to say - but respected their right to say - no matter how much I thought it was wrong.
The world is that the police nicked Robinson and he wasn't able to spew his bullshit and cause problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Which is great
You can whinge and play the political man in the middle cobblers .....which you are not , you a right wing clown ......but Robinson got nicked , he couldn't spoil the protest with his own agenda and the police did what you say they can't, couldn't or shouldn't do .......they nicked him , shut him up and away he went in a police van
If some Palestinian sympathisers were shut up for the same sort of thing then I couldn't care less
And at the weekend that's exactly what happened
They were arrested and a few offensive banners were taken off them
Well done coppers
You are a busted flush sonny
BBC News - Tommy Robinson charged after attending antisemitism march in London
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67545868
So the police did have reason to arrest him and he's now been charged with breaching a section 35 order ?
Oh dear
Did you not read what I typed.
Good - bad - left or right - I prefer freedom of speech - whether I agree with it or not.
You can type what you like but your obviously a complete stumpQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It certainly isn't fooling me
And that's normally fairly easy to do
The fact he had turned up at a march when he was clearly not wanted by the marchers. They feel very uncomfortable about people like him. I wonder why?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Of course he is. He's bumming him while Farage watches.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Poor fashion sense ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
I don't think anyone doubts he shouldnt have gone. He had been building links in the Jewish community and the sensible thing to do (not something he's famed for) is to stay away and that would have been the polite thing (not something he's famed for) to do too, having been asked by the organisers.
But..
It should worry people. The whole process is filmed by his camera man and he really didn't do anything wrong (in this instance) and it does set a worrying precedent really if an organiser of an event can request someone who was 'working' at covering an event to not attend.
It does also only add fuel to the whol 'two tier policing' thing and it does seem to have won him a lot of support as a victim, esp seeing around 20 police hauling him off which was excessive.
Is s35 a new thing? I assume this is used against football fans?
He just chose that cafe for his brekkie at random, did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Of course not. He wanted to attend, and shouldn't have. For the rest of my points, see above!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Twitter, which is no reflection of wider society, as we know, but he's been trending for three days. Almost every reference is critical of the police, and endless examples of people calling for jihad etc and contrasting it to dragging him away from his breakfast etc.
It's all just a bad look
So you can't say "he really didn't do anything wrong" when it's completely obvious he wasn't there as they had bottomless tea.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
S.35 isn't new and has been issued to football supporters unjustly in the past by over zealous, prejudiced police.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
In Yaxley's case, they'll point to the fact he led a horde of fuuckwits into Chinatown two weeks ago as a valid reason to issue one against him.
Fair play, it seems in vougue to call him Yaxley on here, and all by posters who post under anonymous names and would be frightened to death of their birth names being used 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I just call him kunt for consistency. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Calling him Yaxley is just rude and lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
He should always be called by his full name of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon
Leave the Christopher out of it, gutted i didn't know this was part of his name, I'll have to deed poll now but will not tell my mum :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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Originally Posted by jon1959
Or
See Yew En Tee
Usually the point you're making would be valid but as the 'kunt' has gone under a myriad of names such as Paul Harris, Andrew McMaster and allegedly used the name Tommy Robinson to drop the real 'Tommy' in the shiit after advice from an Uncle makes it nil and void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
'Kunt' seems to be a snide grass in addition to a fraudster?
It does always make me laugh on twitter. If it's Tommy Robinson trending it's a very different type of post and poster than if it's Stephen Yaxley Lennon..which I should say, isn't the killer put down that I think some think.
No wonder he lives rent free mind, if you can't pin his name down for the tenancy agreement!
I'm not sure he lives 'rent free' in most minds? My perspective is the 'topic' he chooses to hide behind to rinse his income perhaps needs to be discussed on some platform or another? The problem is he tries to sensationalise his staged events to stir more shiit and thus generate more income.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I've got a mate who done a custodial sentence the same time as him who thought he was OK, politics aside.
He seemed to think his political persona is all a fraud? Also thought he was a little kunt not worth the bother?
Who knows?
I don't think he's a fraud as such but he is clearly commercialising his opinions which in all honesty is what a great many people do and he does have a family to feed. I suspect most commentators, shock jocks, journalists, politicians are in part an act for the show. In fact, having known a few that could loosely fit that bracket in pretty sure that's the case for most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I don't think he is quite the bogeyman that some on the left make out. What he is (or he would say was) is a thug and now he has climbed slightly higher to the role of directing thugs.
And he does love rent free in many people's heads! 😂
I agree he's not the bogeyman some think as most can see through his absolute sham.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Granted he's the focus on rabid antifa but let's be honest here, in all his years of masquerading as a politician or journalist his list of achievements are getting done for libel, getting a football banning order harassing a journalist.
He's jumped from BNP, EDL, Pegida, cosied up to the now defunct Quilliam foundation and even stated he was in the Conservative Party prior to the last election.
Interesting you seem to think inciting public disorder is acceptable if you got a family to feed?
I blame Luton MiGs for all that he's done, they should've given him a cwtch or something and let him lead their mob. He'd have been happy doing that I reckon?