No evidence then. Game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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No evidence then. Game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I quickly accessed that link but didn't come across a statistical breakdown of the specific reasons why people are abandoning the licence fee. Apols if it's there but without my finding it (and my defence would be that I'm decorating at the mo :-) ).Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Personally, I have no 'skin in the game' as it were and will happily accept any reliable source regarding the matter
I just suspected that you-know-who may have been making things up.
The BBC regularly platforms hard left communists who self identify as communists. Ash Sarkar being a regular on Moral Maze amongst other programmes. They wouldn't dream of platforming the polar opposite of a communist, which would be a Fascist. That's the left wing bias in a nutshell. If the BBC are genuinely platforming genuine Fascists then point me to it. Btw Farage is not a Fascist, he's a free market capitalist.
I have no evidence for this but i think the BEEB broke trust with the viewer over it's hysterical reaction to brexit and the subsequent, continious, platforming of second referendum advocates during the fall out from Brexit.
I found this genie from 2021Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-annual-report
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Can you read ? I’ve told you there are around ten articles referencing the issue I brought up , if you have time do a bit of research yourself. If you think I’m “making things up” why on earth are you taking the time to reply when you are already busy decorating ?
Why are you focusing on one issue only , when clearly there are many other factors- I think you know the reason and it’s hilarious.
It’s well know the challenges facing the BBC include:
Intense scrutiny for its coverage of Brexit, domestic politics, and more, with frequent allegations of bias. If you require links for the above you lack clear thought and understanding of its broader business model.
Still doesn't offer explanations as to why the numbers are dropping other than:Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Mr Davie said the fall in numbers was due to the popularity of alternative methods of viewing programming.
"It's not surprising that when on-demand is burgeoning in the way it is and other services are there, you are going to get some
marginal erosion of people who are not watching a live stream on television," he said.
Poor effort at obfuscation. 0/10Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Not evasive at all, I just don’t understand why you insist on links to something which is clearly obvious to everyone. Do you live in a cave or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
The Beeb can't be losing that many fee payers a month. They're crazy figures
I doubt the BBC is losing "viewers", it's losing a lot of "licence fee payers" and the reason is ludicrously simple.
Since the days when the mere possession of a TV meant the licence fee was applicable there is no effective way for the BBC to enforce payment.
I know many people who regularly watch BBC programmes but don't pay the fee because they've self-declared that they don't watch live TV. The chances of them getting caught nowadays is miniscule while in previous times an Enforcement Officer would only have to see a TV through their window to bang them to rights.
Rightly or wrongly the TV licence is just seen by many as an unnecessary expense which can be evaded during tough economic times.
Personally I'd prefer for it to be funded through taxation.
So it's now just 'clear to everyone' and the 'plenty of evidence' has taken a back seat. Say no more. I'll let you have the last word as you need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
You have a very odd definition of 'hard left communist'. Ash Sarkar labelling herself as a 'libertarian communist' (whatever that is) should be a clue to her real views - along with her social media profile that identifies her as 'Anarcho-Fabulous. Luxury-Communist. Walks like a supermodel. Kebab aficionado. London.' I have read a bit of her stuff online and seen some clips on Novara Media Youtube but mainly missed her on the BBC. But from what I have seen and read she is not really a communist at all. She is essentially a Corbyn democratic socialist, and was at recently home in the Labour Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
The polar opposite of Ash Sarkar is anyone from the hard right of the Conservative Party or Reform.
I think you are wrong about the BBC breaking trust, but at least you are honest in saying 'I have no evidence for this but....' If only others with no evidence would also stick to giving a 'personal opinion' and not deflect, dodge and run when asked to back up their claims. I do accept that some people will hold the view that the BBC is a mouthpiece for metropolitan liberals or 'the left' - if they don't decide that for themselves they are bombarded with the claim from most of the Tory press. But I don't see evidence that is a dominant view, or one that explains the loss of BBC viewers.
For what it's worth the public is more likely to the the BBC as right leaning than left - whatever the Daily Mail and Sun tells them!
https://pressgazette.co.uk/comment-a...eft-wing-bias/
Some good points there, enforcement was propaganda quite often and the TV Detection vans were used as propaganda weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I’d prefer if they offered the service rather than make it compulsory. Additional revenue would be generated by advertising etc
Indeed and probably the reasons why people are turning against the BBC, not because they're lefty.
75,000 per month cannot chiefly be down to financial reasons , otherwise other subscription providers would be losing their revenue drivers for the same reasons.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Really , if you want any more “links “ let me know
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...royal-coverage
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...ebruary%202021.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...rves-audiences
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...dson-interview
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...of-17m-report/
https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/o...on-1235300374/
Communist is the opposite of fascist ? ......and they eventually meet
That's bollocks
Cuba was very far left but it didn't go round killing black people
Over the years Ash Sarkar has rebranded herself with a few nice descriptions in order to appear non threatening but when she tells everyone she's a communist, repeatedly over years, it's probably best to believe her instead of imaging what she really means. Politics is her life and career, i think she knows what a communist is. She's hard left and has said some pretty crazy things over the years yet the BBC make her a permenant fixture on Moral Maze and platform her on BBC politics programmes. Where is the right wing fascist equivalent?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Yes, Communism is opposed to fascism and vice versa. One far left, one far right. That's what ww2 on the Eastern front was about. Communism is not free of blood on their hands. It's estimated that Communism across the globe killed 100 million. 60 million in the Soviet Union since the Bolshevik revolution in 1917.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The BBC regularly platforms communist Ash Sarkar and in the case of the Moral Maze, they discuss impartially, with a straight face communist theory.
Uhm, not exactly your typical member of the proletariat then?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I happen to like Ash Sarkar and I find her views very refreshing and moderate. I wish there were more like her.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Unless I am missing something, those links do not refer to the reason for people abandoning the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I concur
Do you not think out of 75,000/80,000 people leaving the subscription service per month none left based on the fact that the lack of impartiality was a factor - wow you’re not thinking clearly and it would appear you’re not liking what’s being presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I know a few people in my circle who have cancelled because of lack of impartiality, and some because of lack of quality.
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/...d-figures-AB18
UK total number of cancelled licences in force in 2022/23*
No. of licences in force
April 2022 69,860
May 2022 76,240
June 2022 75,770
July 2022 77,770
August 2022 91,640
September 2022 84,130
October 2022 79,380
November 2022 75,930
December 2022 68,530
January 2023 77,030
February 2023 70,460
March 2023 80,480
I would say the rise in the cost of living would be by far the biggest factor
Not according to this survey - there is is evidence to suggest out of 75/80,000 cancellations per month impartially would result in 35/40,000 cancellations.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
BBC failures: Half of Britons no longer want to pay licence fee for 'bias' reporting
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...licence-fee-UK
These figures show that the government’s live TV tax no longer has public support. The BBC does not meet its obligations to represent those who are forced to pay for it or to deliver impartial news coverage and programming.
Hmmm… from a right-wing newspaper. Okay.
You're quoting the Daily Express. What the **** is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I don’t buy news papers so I’ve no idea what persuasion it’s from , but don’t let the facts cloud your judgement Stevo,Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Yeah, in the same way tabloids don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
WalesBales used to quote The Daily Mail and The Express when it suited his argument, but then told us all that the MSM couldn't be trusted or believed :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
The facts are the BBC is losing 70,000/80,000 customers per month , and the facts are that a significant percentage of that number is down to impartial reporting. Failure to acknowledge that there is a correlation ( Gary Lineker, Brexit , Ukraine, Gaza , Iraq , etc ) means you’re playing the man not the ball. I’m not sure what you’re point is really.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
i guess things like this don't help there causeQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The mask is slipping. See how her expression changes in an instant? Just remember it’s all a clown show: You cannot take any of the UK state’s drama seriously. It is the time of the fall. <a href="https://t.co/1de7oo3i6y">pic.twitter.com/1de7oo3i6y</a></p>— banthebbc �� (@banthebbc) <a href="https://twitter.com/banthebbc/status/1732674257522413860?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Melanie Phillips is often on the Moral Maze and she's rabidly right wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Tim Stanley as well.
She's bat sh!t crazy that woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Offended some. Amused others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
But 'Christmas is coming early' for the person who went into the BBC system to extract and post the clip on social media. Shame.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...live-broadcast
She's a zionist nutcaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Married to the former legal editor of the BBC Joshua Rosenberg , a fellow member of the Jewish Conservative right wing
So plenty of right wing bias in the BBC
Melanie Phillips and Tim Stanley are on the right but nowhere, absolutely nowhere, near being a Fascist. Which is the political opposite of platforming a communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Communism is a very extreme left wing ideology and the Beeb regularly platforms it's advocates, discussing the merits of the theory.
Despite what you believe and i know this won't change your mind but the Conservative party is mainly centrist these days. Platforming a Conservative is not a counter balance to platforming a communist nutcase. Which is something the Been regularly does.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
She's vile, once made a demographics video, discussing the decline of White people in Britain (especially London) Finished the piece by saying "right guys we're winning, keep going"Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Despite her recent attemps to soften and rebrand, she is actually a left wing extremist.