Good point that makes sense, on reflection I agree :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
It should be hard and fast and paperwork, insurance everything completed before announced, although transfer deadline day would become boring :hehe:
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Good point that makes sense, on reflection I agree :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
It should be hard and fast and paperwork, insurance everything completed before announced, although transfer deadline day would become boring :hehe:
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Originally Posted by TWGL1
Another matter hardly reported at all in the UK is the fact that the FC Nantes President and his director son were both detained by the French criminal authorities at the end of June 2023 as part of their investigations into various offences including the illegal use of agents in transfers, money laundering and tax evasion.
I’ve visited Nantes games a few times since the tragedy, and nobody has ever suggested Cardiff are to blame for any of this, and the fans place all the blame on their dodgy owner (Kita), who “sold Emi like a dog”.
More info from the Trust on the Sala Litigation sent to Trust members today
FC Nantes Indicted Over Use of Unauthorised Agents
Dear Member
As you know the way the transfer of Emiliano Sala from Nantes has been shrouded in controversy which includes a focus on the agent used by the French club.
The French media has been reporting recently about the use of unauthorised agents at Nantes.
Please find below a statement from Trust chair Keith Morgan.
FC Nantes Indicted Over Use of Unauthorised Agents
The Trust recently reported on the legal battles between Cardiff City and FC Nantes in the wake of the transfer of Emiliano Sala five years ago this month.
Emiliano Sala tragically died after the light aircraft he was travelling in crashed on its way to Cardiff.
We wanted to make members aware that, according to the French media, Nantes is involved in another significant legal case in its own country (criminal rather than civil) and have been formally accused of using unauthorised players' agents.
The renowned French newspaper, L'Equipe reported on the issue on November 24, 2023.
The translated report said that FC Nantes has been indicted due to its ongoing relationship with unauthorised agents, including Bakari Sanogo, in particular: "that the managers of the Nantes football club have had recourse on a recurring basis, at least since 2015, to the employment of unauthorised sports agents, by establishing sports agent contracts and player employment contracts under the cover of nominees, both in the context of player transfer negotiations and in the context of negotiations of player contracts."
I understand that Sanogo had involvement in the Sala transfer, alongside Willie McKay and his son, Mark McKay.
Back in June there were arrests in France of Sanogo, another agent Joaquim Batica and the club president Waldemar Kita and his son, Franck as part of an investigation opened by the Rennes' Specialised Interregional Court.
We'll keep members posted when we hear more from across the Channel.
Keith Morgan
Chair
The purpose of suing McKay is to get hold of evidence that he was working on behalf of Nantes or their appointed agent. If this is obtained it will be used in the club's action against Nantes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Exactly things seem to be switching in our favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts
The issue is simply that the club had completed the signing, but messed up the EPL registration. Hence, EUFA/CAS ruling he was our player but the PFA having no liability as he was not registered with the EPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The insurance payout is not in the public domain. The insurer was relying on the contract requiring a written schedule of risks covered (which at the time of the incident did not include Sala), while the club were relying on "custom and practice" being to update the schedule or make additions on the next (or within a few) working days of any change. Further, the contract almost certainly includes an upper limit for incoming transfers without requiring specific underwriting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Not knowing anything at all about the contract I would guess there was a £10m upper limit and the settlement has been around half due to both parties having a reasonable case for their position. So probably 5 to 7 million as a settlement.
What a car crash of a football club we are. Tan has lost all interest in the club and become distracted in this unpalatable public side show with Nantes and the Mckays.
its a shame he didnt put as much energy into making us a better prospect on the field than he does with all the off field side shows. Its been one thing after another for most of his reign. The unforgiveable red debacle, his obsession with Malky Mackay for years after he left and now the Sala saga. The sooner he realises hes not getting his investment back and lets someone else have a go the better.
I think I speak for many who have just about had their fill of the Vincent Tan era.
What unmitigated nonsense. The club pays a record sum for a player who, through no fault of the club, is tragically killed by being transported on a non compliant aircraft by an illegal pilot having been arranged by a person or persons debarred from acting in such a capacity. The car crash, or plane crash in this case, was the direct responsibility of a dodgy club and its agents ( that club now facing criminal proceedings in the French courts ) and I would be astounded if any owner, let alone Tan, would not resort to litigation to secure justice for the fans, the club and the Sala family and to prevent such an occurrence happening again.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Stick to fishing.
I think that's about rightQuote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
Unsafe aircraft
Illegal pilot
Banned agent involvement
It's not a pleasant process but the club are surely going to be proved correct in a court of law
Spot on, and it's not like Tan is sitting in the court acting as a barrister, it probably took him twenty seconds to send an email to his team, telling them to sue them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
Perhaps he could spare another 20 seconds to send an email to Dalman, Choo and the recruitment staff to authorise some signings. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Tell me something I dont know Linus. So whilst all this side show goes on he just lets the club drift into league one because one way this club has been going for years. Im pretty sure Tan, who owns businesses in more than one industry, has the ability to multi task but no, not where Cardiff City is concerned. Only time you hear from him is to bang on about Malky, Nantes or Mackay. For far too long this Sala saga has been going on to the detriment of the football. At some point youve got to look to the future. Its been 5 years ffs, we will still be hearing in another 5 years how we cant afford any transfers because of what happened with Sala.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
Hes like a bitter ex-boyfriend who cant let the past go.
Great. We will be league 1 club by the time Tan gets his justice. Oh joy!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If he just paid up and forgot about Sala where do you think the money would come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
A succession of strawman arguments. As I said before stick to fishing!Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
How is it a ‘leak’ for the club to release a statement through its recognised and regulated fan organisation. This is what people have been calling for, for years. What is strange is people like you moaning because the club are doing the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
You seem to have forgotten about Sturgeon and Drakefords WhatsApp messages going missing as well....:sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
It's a "leak" as the club can't be arsed to communicate with its fanbase directly. They could:Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
- put an announcement or update on their website;
- e-mail their database of season-ticket holders and members;
- put an announcement in the match day programme.
A regulated fan organisation it may be , however it only represents about 4% of its fan base. Unless you use this site ( which appears be around 50 regular users) around 95% of the remaining fans wouldn’t have a clue about the statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Updates should also come directly from the clubs PR department.
Those who are critical of the Club’s communications with the club’s fan base probably have a point. The Trust, however, do ask pertinent questions of the club and get answers, at least some of the time. The club also knows that, of the 3 recognised supporters bodies, the Trust is the only one that appears to communicate with its members. Every time there has been an ad hoc Mehmet Dalman meeting prior to a game, the Trust do a note to its members and the email they send inevitably ends up on the 3 messageboards. If it wasn’t for the Trust no-one would know what happened at them. The other 2 Supporters groups don’t seem to have the same motivation. The club have had a lot of negative publicity since the Sala litigation commenced and the recent flow of information from the club, be it responses to questions posed by the Trust or leaks by the club (whichever you think it is) has certainly resulted, in my opinion, in the vast majority of the fan base getting behind the club in its current action against Nantes. The fan base now seem to be better informed. So, whatever the strategy the club intended in terms of communicating about the litigation, In my view it has certainly worked.
They have already paid and also reached settlement on the insurance pay out. Doesnt want to move the club forward though, now trying to sue for damages but hey, as long as Vincents alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
No. Stick to cheerleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
What’s wrong with Tan getting justice for the club he bankrolls?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
As an aside regarding those people bellyaching about not being kept in the loop why not join the Trust?. It costs me £12 per annum!!
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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
Plus the work that the Trust has put in over a few years now has resulted in the Fans Advisory Board coming about. We have also successfully pushed for all of the season ticket and club members base of approx. 15,000 to have a vote on who 5 of the FAB will be.
FAB agendas and minutes will be published for all fans to see so all strategic discussions will be widely available.
Much of his bankrolling is down to him and his many mistakes, hes no Jack Walker.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
And all the while hes more interested in Nantes and not moving this club forward then he will need to bankroll it some more. Especially when we end up in league one because thats where its ending unless he pulls his head out of trousers.
You seem to have plenty to say. Why don’t you make Tan an offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
And you accuse me of making straw man arguments. Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy
Watch you dont trip over with those big shoes you clown.
It seems you are the clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Another Tan cheerleader. Muppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Come on, let’s all get behind the team tomorrow. Oh..as you were.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Club's a joke, can't even organise a game at 3pm on a Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Sorry ****, I’m not a Muppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Interesting take. Is there any evidence to back it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts
My understanding from all the words written and spoken on this case is that there was no insurance pay out. There was no insurance cover for Emiliano Sala, although the club claimed they were led to believe this would be in place automatically. That was the focus of the successful negligence claim by the club against the insurance brokers (who did not provide any cover themselves - they acted as expert insurance consultants for the club and did a lousy and lazy job).
There was an out of court settlement of the insurance claim against the insurer. The insurer is a Lloyds market broker and insurer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Well that's tough then isn't itQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
If the fans can't be bothered to join regulated and recognised fan groups ......then they either set up something else or moan till the cows come homeQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It's 2023
If the fans groups are there and 95 percent of the fans don't join then I say let them carry on moaning or organise something and see how If goes
Generally a hopeless bunch cardiff fans , it's always been the same