Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Eric the Half a Bee
You could well be right about rewritten history regarding Clough.
The one line that stands out was Clough calling Fashanu a bloody poof. I'm not going to condone it and, while it was the language and attitude of the time blah blah, lots of people thought nothing about it and still carried on with it. Even now some want that sort of thing to carry on and you're woke if you disgree.
Yeah, I agree. It's why that last point you make about being woke is really important imo. It has to be countered because if you take the case of, say Joey Barton and that he was, until recently, a manager, boss, responsible for employees' well-being - who really knows what football managers are really like? Football seems, to me, to be one of the few places that still employs people in senior positions who wouldn't be allowed to 'work' in other professions. If they're delivering success on the pitch they're adored by fans even though they may well be obnoxious individuals with horrible views and attitudes IRL.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Oddly enough I have listened to plenty of players who said he was a bully and ruled by fear
Bob Paisley was a genuine nice guy in football and Bobby Robson too
If you get the chance.
Read or listen to the story of the young Sunderland lad that he took into his home.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Citizen's Nephew
Yeah, I agree. It's why that last point you make about being woke is really important imo. It has to be countered because if you take the case of, say Joey Barton and that he was, until recently, a manager, boss, responsible for employees' well-being - who really knows what football managers are really like? Football seems, to me, to be one of the few places that still employs people in senior positions who wouldn't be allowed to 'work' in other professions. If they're delivering success on the pitch they're adored by fans even though they may well be obnoxious individuals with horrible views and attitudes IRL.
I think there are probably plenty of other environments where people (usually men) are able to be as cutting and as inappropriate as they like, in order to get results from others. That doesn't matter. I'm just a woke, not someone of real importance.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Wash DC Blue
If you get the chance.
Read or listen to the story of the young Sunderland lad that he took into his home.
I've read that story. But how does it square with him punching a young player in the face for giving a goal away from a back pass? Even if that young lad was Roy Keane. We hear these tear-jerking stories about him but for every one there's an opposite side. I just think we need to be careful not to eulogise the bloke.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Eric the Half a Bee
I think there are probably plenty of other environments where people (usually men) are able to be as cutting and as inappropriate as they like, in order to get results from others. That doesn't matter. I'm just a woke, not someone of real importance.
I did think that when I wrote it. The film industry, government etc. There are lots of places still condoning or suppressing stuff that goes on in the workplace. I've been on the receiving end of some right bullies. Did they do me any harm? Too f*cking right they did!
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Citizen's Nephew
I did think that when I wrote it. The film industry, government etc. There are lots of places still condoning or suppressing stuff that goes on in the workplace. I've been on the receiving end of some right bullies. Did they do me any harm? Too f*cking right they did!
But that'll have surely been your fault as well....
I sincerely hope that you've got over whatever happened, if that's possible.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Eric the Half a Bee
But that'll have surely been your fault as well....
I sincerely hope that you've got over whatever happened, if that's possible.
Cheers Eric. :thumbup:
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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splott parker
The Runnarrson affair was a defining period of the season. I wonder if any outfield players did any thinking out loud over his selection over Alnwick? I think a lot of us have played at lower levels where ‘How the feck is he still in the side?’ has been loudly said, no different at pro level I’d imagine.
Something changed. Maybe Eric can look at the stats and see if there's a correlation. My 'feeling' is that there will be.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Citizen's Nephew
Something changed. Maybe Eric can look at the stats and see if there's a correlation. My 'feeling' is that there will be.
Job for the morning :thumbup:
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
Wasn't there some talk of him having to play (or attend) so many games to meet the conditions of his loan?
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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xsnaggle
Wasn't there some talk of him having to play (or attend) so many games to meet the conditions of his loan?
I’m sure I read that somewhere too. Shame either way as we were playing well with a settled defence. At least that’s how I remember it! Probably bollox.
Edit: so clearly I’m not sure! 🤪
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Citizen's Nephew
Something changed. Maybe Eric can look at the stats and see if there's a correlation. My 'feeling' is that there will be.
Not much to report, sorry. I've had a look at goals scored, conceded, results, xG, xGA and there's nothing really to suggest a nosedive in any of them. The whole season has seen a general decline in terms of stats since Bristol City, arguably even since the Rotherham win.
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Not much to report, sorry. I've had a look at goals scored, conceded, results, xG, xGA and there's nothing really to suggest a nosedive in any of them. The whole season has seen a general decline in terms of stats since Bristol City, arguably even since the Rotherham win.
Cheers Eric. See. This is why I don’t bet. My gut feeling is usually just down to irrational bowel syndrome!
Re: If you were the manager...could you do better?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Not much to report, sorry. I've had a look at goals scored, conceded, results, xG, xGA and there's nothing really to suggest a nosedive in any of them. The whole season has seen a general decline in terms of stats since Bristol City, arguably even since the Rotherham win.
Well that makes sense, as we’ve been bloody terrible since then. We absolutely murdered Huddersfield though. That could have been 7 or 8
