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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Armstrong has 16 but he's played behind a centre forward and on both wings, and he's about 5'6. Whittaker, Szmodics, Summerville, Clarke and Rowe have more goals than Hardie, and they're all wingers or attacking midfielders.
I agree with you, God knows where someone like Earnie or Chopra would play now, maybe off the left wing. Strikers will come back into fashion at some point but at present, they don't fit the ultra possession snooze fests that so many managers like to use. NB, possession football can be very, very good but most managers aren't good enough to implement it.
Often, most average players aren't good enough, either.
I think the demise of the striker is also aided by the relative demise of the winger. There's probably more onus on full backs to provide the width. Most sides seem to play with a front 3 but the wide attacking players aren't there to provide chances as they used to be.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's hardly buluts fault if the players concede a goal after 45 seconds
Until that second goal we could have claimed a point with a decent striker
He asked for help from the board but they have clearly not delivered
Sludge staying on the right side of FFP was always the boards priority. The players brought in were Bulut's choice. The club had to wait for the EFL monitoring body to give City the nod to go and do the business they wanted to do. From what i know Moore was one of the deals that they and Bulut thought was in the bag. I did not happen as money and agents play their part. I am not slating Bulut or the club on the transfer business. A points deduction would be a disaster. The whole transfer market was very quiet this January; hardly anything spent anywhere.
At the moment we are looking really toothless on the pitch under Bulut's leadership. I am not saying sack him. But if he wants a contract extension, he needs to start wining games or at least stop losing them. It does not help when he keeps subbing the most promising players. It is really disheartening to see mate.
Spedger
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Sloop_Jon_Bee
Sludge staying on the right side of FFP was always the boards priority. The players brought in were Bulut's choice. The club had to wait for the EFL monitoring body to give City the nod to go and do the business they wanted to do. From what i know Moore was one of the deals that they and Bulut thought was in the bag. I did not happen as money and agents play their part. I am not slating Bulut or the club on the transfer business. A points deduction would be a disaster. The whole transfer market was very quiet this January; hardly anything spent anywhere.
At the moment we are looking really toothless on the pitch under Bulut's leadership. I am not saying sack him. But if he wants a contract extension, he needs to start wining games or at least stop losing them. It does not help when he keeps subbing the most promising players. It is really disheartening to see mate.
Spedger
Given that any team from about 8th downwards has shown the ability or should that be disability to go on poor runs and given that under mad mick , morison , Hudson and lamouchi we have had periods when we simply can't buy a win my view is what difference is changing from another misfiring boss .....in this case bulut ....going to do ?
If we have a squad of players that are mostly crap and Ramsey is out injured for 5 months what can any manager really do ?
I think our forward line is very sub standard but the supply from midfield is lacking too
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
This infuriates me. Nobody gets help from the board at this level. WBA haven't spent a penny under Corberan. Bulut's job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. Managers of other clubs develop their players, ours are shit and stay that way.
Re we haven't got a striker, nobody has a bloody striker. The top scoring centre forward in the Championship is Ryan Hardie with 11. That's why half the division was linked with Moore. 20 goal a season, 6'4 centre forwards don't grow on trees. If we are relying on us to sign one, we'll be waiting an awfully long time.
Given that there are 9 or 10 sides below us on points could it be argued the players at those clubs are shitter ?
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's hardly buluts fault if the players concede a goal after 45 seconds
Until that second goal we could have claimed a point with a decent striker
He asked for help from the board but they have clearly not delivered
You don't think its under his instruction they hoofed it up the pitch off KO?
Players play how the manager tells them to...the goal came because we lost possession of the ball and got counter-attacked.
How long have you been watching football? Because you seem to remember players from each decade that can run a lot but have **** all skill, but you don't seem to have any actual clue how the game is played...it seems that I am not the first person to point out your lack of understanding of the game.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Often, most average players aren't good enough, either.
I think the demise of the striker is also aided by the relative demise of the winger. There's probably more onus on full backs to provide the width. Most sides seem to play with a front 3 but the wide attacking players aren't there to provide chances as they used to be.
It is all tactical, or lack of it. It stems from our lack of midfield, too. Currently, our full backs come inside, or wingers come inside and we pass the ball around our back 4 and then lump it forward. Pep's team have wide wingers, Klopp's width comes from the full backs or the centre mids pulling out wide. Ours come from nobody :hehe:
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Given that there are 9 or 10 sides below us on points could it be argued the players at those clubs are shitter ?
Well that's good then, let's just accept that this is all we can wish for, watching boring football as one of the lowest scorers in the league and accept that's our lot. Jesus Christ.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
It is all tactical, or lack of it. It stems from our lack of midfield, too. Currently, our full backs come inside, or wingers come inside and we pass the ball around our back 4 and then lump it forward. Pep's team have wide wingers, Klopp's width comes from the full backs or the centre mids pulling out wide. Ours come from nobody :hehe:
But that is entirely a management/coaching problem.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Well that's good then, let's just accept that this is all we can wish for, watching boring football as one of the lowest scorers in the league and accept that's our lot.
Absolutely. Apathy. Get what you're given and don't question it.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Well that's good then, let's just accept that this is all we can wish for, watching boring football as one of the lowest scorers in the league and accept that's our lot. Jesus Christ.
Well unless we get a new owner who has a modern approach to the game then what do you propose ?
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Absolutely. Apathy. Get what you're given and don't question it.
It's realism
As stated above unless we have a change of ownership and a move towards the modern style of football that you propose .......all this analysis on here like fantasy managers on acid ......is all hot air
It's a viscous circle of owner , manager , players
What is the alternative ?
At present there is no alternative to accepting where we are
That doesn't mean we have to like it
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's realism
As stated above unless we have a change of ownership and a move towards the modern style of football that you propose .......all this analysis on here like fantasy managers on acid ......is all hot air
It's a viscous circle of owner , manager , players
What is the alternative ?
At present there is no alternative to accepting where we are
That doesn't mean we have to like it
Finally you get it. Lots of us aren't fussed on it and we comment on it as a result. Just because there's nowt we can do as fans doesn't mean we just shut up and accept it.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Finally you get it. Lots of us aren't fussed on it and we comment on it as a result. Just because there's nowt we can do as fans doesn't mean we just shut up and accept it.
No I think you are mistaken
You seem to think we could be doing better
But on arse end wages we are one of a number of clubs in this division who cannot compete with the big boys
So it's pointless thinking we can
To be fair to bulut though he's got us higher in the league than several others who have spent a lot more
So maybe we should cut him some slack
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
No I think you are mistaken
You seem to think we could be doing better
Yes, there are things I think we could be doing that would improve us.
Stop playing 2 defensive midfielders at home. Get full backs further forward and stay out wide. Stop being so demanding of our attacking players in a defensive role. Let them attack. How we play is too negative at times. No wonder we can't score from open play, when we were managing that earlier in the season, even without Ramsey and O'Dowda.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
No I think you are mistaken
You seem to think we could be doing better
But on arse end wages we are one of a number of clubs in this division who cannot compete with the big boys
So it's pointless thinking we can
To be fair to bulut though he's got us higher in the league than several others who have spent a lot more
So maybe we should cut him some slack
Here's the thing though - we are not the same team we were earlier in the season. Currently we can't compete, can't even create chances. Around this time last season we played [close-to-midtable] Reading at home. We had played 32 games and had 32 points, and were deep in relegation trouble - so a pretty rubbish team by all measures, yet we had 15 attempts on goal which is typically a month's supply for this current side. Puts our manager's effect - positive or otherwise - into perspective..
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
Eric how dare you discuss the football at Cardiff City on a message board platform dedicated to Cardiff City football club
You can’t change anything so why have an opinion on it. Discuss more relevant topics
to the forum like fishing or heavy metal or the Tories.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Eric how dare you discuss the football at Cardiff City on a message board platform dedicated to Cardiff City football club
You can’t change anything so why have an opinion on it. Discuss more relevant topics
to the forum like fishing or heavy metal or the Tories.
I shall suitably chastise myself.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I shall suitably chastise myself.
The irony of being told to put in a sock in it, and to stop wasting energy discussing something beyond your control by someone who has spent the last 14 years screaming into an echo chamber about the Tory government is truly astounding.
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Eric how dare you discuss the football at Cardiff City on a message board platform dedicated to Cardiff City football club
You can’t change anything so why have an opinion on it. Discuss more relevant topics
to the forum like fishing or heavy metal or the Tories.
Can't change the political state of the country either, yet that doesn't stop 100s of threads with the usual suspects all arguing the toss.
Hypocrisy
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
The irony of being told to put in a sock in it, and to stop wasting energy discussing something beyond your control by someone who has spent the last 14 years screaming into an echo chamber about the Tory government is truly astounding.
I should have read one post further before posting...
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Dembe
I should have read one post further before posting...
The hypocrisy deserved a doubling down :thumbup:
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
The hypocrisy deserved a doubling down :thumbup:
:thumbup:
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
The hypocrisy deserved a doubling down :thumbup:
Truly astounding ?
Not just astounding ?
Do you get out much ?
I can do something about this government by not voting for them
I am afraid you lot moaning on here about tan , bulut and the end of the world at Cardiff City is going to do absolutely nothing
You would be better off buying something in the club shop or sponsoring a player
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Dembe
:thumbup:
You can stick thumbs up each others arses all day long but until we get a new owner who gets the cash out its all pointless
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Dembe
Can't change the political state of the country either, yet that doesn't stop 100s of threads with the usual suspects all arguing the toss.
Hypocrisy
Well you can vote
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Re: 17 points from 17 games, failed to score in 10 of the last 18
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I shall suitably chastise myself.
Is that a form of self abuse ?
