Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Wheeler dealer OR bright young thing with cash

It's either or

Comprende?

I am fully comp thanks

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You have a habit of ruining these threads wit your presence, we all know your opinion, it hasn't changed since you ran into m&s in 1984

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Originally Posted by Dembe

You have a habit of ruining these threads wit your presence, we all know your opinion, it hasn't changed since you ran into m&s in 1984

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I have made a perfectly reasonable remark that is with regard to the thread

It's you who have made an issue of it

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

3 Seasons? More like 7 or 8 seasons..OGS was the last manager to try and play attractive football, look what happened there.

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It was shocking but i'd still give him another go ahead of Bulut

It was at least interesting.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

The fact that Bowler can’t beat a defender surely hasn’t been missed by the coaching staff?

If the reason for playing them, previously was that they were able to cut inside and score from open play, then surely the coaching staff can see that, it hasn’t worked out well so far!

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I think Bowlers critisism is unfair on this board - He's a left footed player so has to cut inside which is being defended time after time by the opposition by showing him to the touchline and they often put 2 players on him.

He then reverts to an outside of the foot pass but the opposition already have that space closed down.

It looks bad for Bowler but I don't understand what else he's supposed to do as his natural outlets if played on his unnatural side are camped in the centre circle as we are stuck with 2 DMs every game.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have made a perfectly reasonable remark that is with regard to the thread

It's you who have made an issue of it

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you come on these threads and don't really offer any discussion, you linger around hoping to engage with someone. You post the same old things over and over, in some WUM attempt, it goes unnoticed by most but a few have also cottoned on to the tactic.

You are not wet behind the ears, you know exactly what it is you are doing.

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Originally Posted by Dembe

you come on these threads and don't really offer any discussion, you linger around hoping to engage with someone. You post the same old things over and over, in some WUM attempt, it goes unnoticed by most but a few have also cottoned on to the tactic.

You are not wet behind the ears, you know exactly what it is you are doing.

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I am not doing anything other than discuss the manager situation in this thread

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Originally Posted by Dembe

It's just frustrating when you see other teams with a plan. Luton probably went up too fast but if they come down they'll be in. better shape for it. There are loads of things you can read on them online about the plan they had to rise up from the conference.
Brentford nipped away for years, went up and stayed up, Bournemouth have stayed up with a tiny stadium etc etc.

Will someone at the club come out and tell us what the **** is going on?

* Plan to introduce more youth players to the first team squad and eventually starting 11 over the next few seasons
* Improve the quality of the first team playing squad over the next 3 transfer windows
* Implement an overall playing identity at the club from grassroots to the first team
* Overhaul of the coaches and scouts
* Tell us why the **** we should care if they don't.

Thousands of people give up their spare time and spend their own money and not one of us has a ****ing clue what is going on at the club, what direction its taking, what the **** its short term and long term goals are? We keep being told Tan pumps in millions (true) and we are just expected to be grateful for it? While the club is seemingly floating around rudderless.. that's the impression I get anyway.

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I seem to have missed this, apologies.

That sums up my feelings almost to a tee.

How often do we get players in and terminate their contracts? Far, far too often.
How often do we get young talent in and sell them at a profit? We don't.
How often do academy players seemlessly move into the first team? They don't, because the football is totally different. Even within the club there is no consistency. Who oversees all of this? Does anyone?
How often have players left us and we've thought they were a better player than when they arrived?

You're right about Tan pumping all this money into the club, but this is where he's a complete arse. If I was losing that amount of money, I'd be asking why and learning what I needed to do to help stop this from people in the game who know the game. He doesn't learn, he doesn't want advice as he wants to do it his own way, the way that is killing his wallet, and our club.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I seem to have missed this, apologies.

That sums up my feelings almost to a tee.

How often do we get players in and terminate their contracts? Far, far too often.
How often do we get young talent in and sell them at a profit? We don't.
How often do academy players seemlessly move into the first team? They don't, because the football is totally different. Even within the club there is no consistency. Who oversees all of this? Does anyone?
How often have players left us and we've thought they were a better player than when they arrived?

You're right about Tan pumping all this money into the club, but this is where he's a complete arse. If I was losing that amount of money, I'd be asking why and learning what I needed to do to help stop this from people in the game who know the game. He doesn't learn, he doesn't want advice as he wants to do it his own way, the way that is killing his wallet, and our club.

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As a father yourself, can you imagine doing absolutely **** all for your kid while at the same time telling close family and relatives how wonderful you are because you throw them some CSA? Ok probably a terrible analogy after reading it out once typed..but you get the picture. We are basically an unparented kid running around the big city with daddy's credit card, what could possibly go wrong with no guidance and advice...

I've missed a few decent posts by others as well to be fair, few good points made by older blue and Bob, decent discussion.

The club needs a reset. It doesnt necessary need to involve Tan leaving, but it would be nice if he could start to take a hands on approach and sort this mess out. If he doesnt trust others to oversee, like a DoF, could he at least talk to other club owners? Salman and the car salesman aren't helping us, if anything id start by binning off the pair of them.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

I think Bowlers critisism is unfair on this board - He's a left footed player so has to cut inside which is being defended time after time by the opposition by showing him to the touchline and they often put 2 players on him.

He then reverts to an outside of the foot pass but the opposition already have that space closed down.

It looks bad for Bowler but I don't understand what else he's supposed to do as his natural outlets if played on his unnatural side are camped in the centre circle as we are stuck with 2 DMs every game.

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My issue with bowler isn't the attacking element of his game but he is a bit of coward off the ball - he doesn't challenge for the ball and doesn't even make a nuisance of himself to make it more difficult - I am fed up of him bottling things and not from a defensive point today view but when he is in the attacking third without the ball - colwill suffers from the same disease but has worked on this but still reverts to type on occasions

I seen on X that we have already beat our points tally from last year and already equalled our goals scored from last year. Considering the embargo over the summer I don’t think that’s to bad.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

I seen on X that we have already beat our points tally from last year and already equalled our goals scored from last year. Considering the embargo over the summer I don’t think that’s to bad.

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We scored 28 from open play last season. If we beat that I'll consider our attacking set up better than last season. We're currently on 18.

We won’t fix the amount of youngsters coming thru the ranks until we get a set style of play which is the same right thru from under 10s to senior team.
Also I would like to see the wingers swap over during the match to give the opposition a different problem. Good goal tonight though!

But you all got what you wanted, the goal tonight was playing the right way, most of the squad struggle with the tactic but we moved the ball well tonight. Not Man City but barely Dave Bassett either

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

But you all got what you wanted, the goal tonight was playing the right way, most of the squad struggle with the tactic but we moved the ball well tonight. Not Man City but barely Dave Bassett either

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This

couldn't have worded it better

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

But you all got what you wanted, the goal tonight was playing the right way, most of the squad struggle with the tactic but we moved the ball well tonight. Not Man City but barely Dave Bassett either

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It was a very good goal, one of our best of the season. That said, “we moved the ball well tonight” is pushing it a bit -O’Dowda and Colwill improved things a bit when they came on and we were quite impressive in seeing out the six minutes of added time. However, there was still the usual basic errors when it comes to controlling the ball and giving and taking of what should be simple passes. We’ve beaten three sides which could be relegated which is not to be dismissed of course, but our record against the genuine promotion contenders tells us we’ll need a lot more than we’ve shown against Stoke, Bristol City and Huddersfield on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

We’ve beaten three sides which could be relegated which is not to be dismissed of course, but our record against the genuine promotion contenders tells us we’ll need a lot more than we’ve shown against Stoke, Bristol City and Huddersfield on Saturday.

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I make it we've won 1 point against the current top 6, plus one excellent home win over Coventry and a steal at 10 man Preston as our only successes over teams above us. In 13 fixtures against the sides above us, we've lost 10.

Of our remaining 10 games we face sides currently above us on 5 occasions, plus Sunderland and Middlesbrough who occupy the two places immediately below us - we lost to one of those earlier in the season and braved the alamo to force a late win at Sunderland.

I'm not saying this to pour cold water on 3 wins on the bounce but as a bit of a reality check when it comes to even thinking of the playoffs. 73 points is around the magic number, though that could be lower this season as the top 4 pull away. Sunderland made 6th with 69 points last season but had 52 after 36 games.

We'd be looking at 6 wins from 10, with half of our games against sides we wouldn't fancy our chances against. We've done very well against sides towards the bottom, something unusual given how often we have struggled against teams down the bottom in the past, but I suspect that's our level. We don't look remotely capable of challenging the better sides in the division but are functional enough and generally get the job done against the worse sides. 7 of our last 10 games are against sides in the top half, plus the annual defeat at the Caravan Park. Anything we get from those games would be a bonus and a suggestion that we could look up next season.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

It was a very good goal, one of our best of the season. That said, “we moved the ball well tonight” is pushing it a bit -O’Dowda and Colwill improved things a bit when they came on and we were quite impressive in seeing out the six minutes of added time. However, there was still the usual basic errors when it comes to controlling the ball and giving and taking of what should be simple passes. We’ve beaten three sides which could be relegated which is not to be dismissed of course, but our record against the genuine promotion contenders tells us we’ll need a lot more than we’ve shown against Stoke, Bristol City and Huddersfield on Saturday.

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you do realize there is a huge gulf in the top 6 we are a million miles away from prem material and i think most people accept this

we are in a perfect position to kick on for next season , the current players are doing doing a sterling effort with the new style Bulut has brought to the team wish fans would be more supportive on this forum

we lose Bulut at the end of the season we will lose momentum and back to long ball stuff , if people want that type of football get on a plane and watch Aberdeen !

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

you do realize there is a huge gulf in the top 6 we are a million miles away from prem material and i think most people accept this

we are in a perfect position to kick on for next season , the current players are doing doing a sterling effort with the new style Bulut has brought to the team wish fans would be more supportive on this forum

we lose Bulut at the end of the season we will lose momentum and back to long ball stuff , if people want that type of football get on a plane and watch Aberdeen !

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I’m not sure what you have been watching. Ok yes let’s see some passing instead of long ball but how about this passing leading to something, like a shot at goal maybe?

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

you do realize there is a huge gulf in the top 6 we are a million miles away from prem material and i think most people accept this

we are in a perfect position to kick on for next season , the current players are doing doing a sterling effort with the new style Bulut has brought to the team wish fans would be more supportive on this forum

we lose Bulut at the end of the season we will lose momentum and back to long ball stuff , if people want that type of football get on a plane and watch Aberdeen !

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This this and this - well said 👍

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’m not sure what you have been watching. Ok yes let’s see some passing instead of long ball but how about this passing leading to something, like a shot at goal maybe?

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Exactly, I'm happy that we're not seeing as much aimless booting it up the pitch under Bulut, but let's not kid ourselves that it's disappeared completely - it's still there because often our players do not have the vision and/or technique to keep a passing movement going and so they launch it in the general direction of our obligatory big man up front.

Karlan Grant scored a stunner of a goal on Boxing Day against Plymouth, but we've not scored at the Canton End of the ground since then and last night suggested it will be a while before we do as a good chance for Meite from a Ralls corner which he barely got any contact on apart, it was all shots from distance which were either not struck well enough to give the keeper a problem or were various degrees of high and/or wide. There were also a few chances to get the killer second goal in the dying minutes which fizzled out through the usual mix of wrong options being taken or faulty technique letting the player concerned down.

One reason for the lack of goals at the Canton End in the last couple of matches is that under this manager we're not too bothered about chasing "killer" goals if we're a goal up, so if we're ahead at half time, those in the Canton End face a quiet time of it as far as action in front of them is concerned.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

It was a very good goal, one of our best of the season. That said, “we moved the ball well tonight” is pushing it a bit -O’Dowda and Colwill improved things a bit when they came on and we were quite impressive in seeing out the six minutes of added time. However, there was still the usual basic errors when it comes to controlling the ball and giving and taking of what should be simple passes. We’ve beaten three sides which could be relegated which is not to be dismissed of course, but our record against the genuine promotion contenders tells us we’ll need a lot more than we’ve shown against Stoke, Bristol City and Huddersfield on Saturday.

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We are a decent top-half team, who were unlucky to lose two of our best players for most of the season, we are weak at left back and Strikers but have improved with just a few new players in a tough January window. We have a solid base for Bulut to build from next season.

A couple of posters predicting finishing 20th and below finishes are not going to be happy when we are solid in games picking up valuable points and moving up to tenth in the table :ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

We scored 28 from open play last season. If we beat that I'll consider our attacking set up better than last season. We're currently on 18.

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Who cares it's about scoring goals, there are not extra points for open play goals?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We are a decent top-half team

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That has spent most of the season outside the top half.....

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Who cares it's about scoring goals, there are not extra points for open play goals?

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You obviously don't, but I am worried about the fact we've been less capable of opening up opposition defences than we were when we were in a relegation dogfight.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

That has spent most of the season outside the top half.....

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Who cares, we are 10th with some of the players coming back from injury.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You obviously don't, but I am worried about the fact we've been less capable of opening up opposition defences than we were when we were in a relegation dogfight.

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No we are 10th, last year we were around 21st, we've lost the best players from last season, Kipre, Philogene, and Kaba, had a transfer embargo and have improved leaps and bounds, Bulut had one of the toughest jobs in the league.

We still lack quality Strikers and missed O'Dowda and Ramsey, but Colwill is learning and improving and Turnball is effective and adds stability.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

No we are 10th last year we were around 21st, we've lost the best players from last season, Kipre, Philogene, and Kaba, had a transfer embargo and have improved leaps and bounds, Bulut had one of the toughest jobs in the league.

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You consider being less productive from open play, conceding more goals while having an unhealthy reliance on set pieces to pinch games an improvement, then that's up to you.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Who cares, we are 10th with some of the players coming back from injury.

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Make your mind up. You claimed we are a decent top half team. How would you describe West Brom?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Who cares it's about scoring goals, there are not extra points for open play goals?

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We only score from set pieces though. We are extremely one dimensional. Set pieces should be supplementing our goal tally rather than being the main driver.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You consider being less productive from open play, conceding more goals while having an unhealthy reliance on set pieces to pinch games an improvement, then that's up to you.

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We still lack quality Strikers and missed O'Dowda and Ramsey, but Colwill is learning and improving and Turnball is effective and adds stability.

It's obviously our weak point mostly down to injury and Bulut can add players for next season to improve that area and at leftback.

If Ramsey and O'Dowda not injured we would be even higher placed, Bowler already looks to be picking up when he has better players around him, giving him more space to do his best work.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Make your mind up. You claimed we are a decent top half team. How would you describe West Brom?

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West Brom are a very good team fighting for promotion, a top five team, the top half starts at twelve.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We only score from set pieces though. We are extremely one dimensional. Set pieces should be supplementing our goal tally rather than being the main driver.

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Because our best-attacking players were injured and we didn't have a very good Striker.

A Manager has to make best use of the players he has available, which he did he adapted the team to stop conceding goals and score from set pieces!

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Because our best-attacking players were injured and we didn't have a very good Striker.

A Manager has to make best use of the players he has available, which he did he adapted the team to stop conceding goals and score from set pieces!

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It really, really isn't just down to that. It is our style of play. Being completely ineffective going forwards isn't a choice. We had more possession in a lot of games and don't have the first idea of what to do with it. We're the lowest scorers in the league. We don't have the worst forward line in the league with Bowler and Grant wide, Colwill at 10.

Most teams idon'thave a good striker, either. Bulut is getting away with murder at times on here.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We still lack quality Strikers and missed O'Dowda and Ramsey, but Colwill is learning and improving and Turnball is effective and adds stability.

It's obviously our weak point mostly down to injury and Bulut can add players for next season to improve that area and at leftback.

If Ramsey and O'Dowda not injured we would be even higher placed, Bowler already looks to be picking up when he has better players around him, giving him more space to do his best work.

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So, what you're saying, is that Ramsey and O'Dowda apart, we've got pretty shit attacking options. I won't disagree with that, but I don't agree either that Bulut is making the best use of the attacking players we have, either. That's clearly nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

So, what you're saying, is that Ramsey and O'Dowda apart, we've got pretty shit attacking options. I won't disagree with that, but I don't agree either that Bulut is making the best use of the attacking players we have, either. That's clearly nonsense.

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He's making best use of the squad at his disposal of course he is, you know we would have gone down last season if it wasn't for points deductions and then lost our best players right?

So with a weak squad, losing Philo, Kipre, and Kaba who kept us up just, and a transfer embargo and a low budget you expect a new Manager to come in and turn us into Manchester City?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It really, really isn't just down to that. It is our style of play. Being completely ineffective going forwards isn't a choice. We had more possession in a lot of games and don't have the first idea of what to do with it. We're the lowest scorers in the league. We don't have the worst forward line in the league with Bowler and Grant wide, Colwill at 10.

Most teams idon'thave a good striker, either. Bulut is getting away with murder at times on here.

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He lost the best attacking players last season, Philogene and Kaba, then had injuries to this season's best O'Dowda and Ramsey, he had to adapt the team, Colwill is coming on slowly but wasn't ready.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

That has spent most of the season outside the top half.....

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Is that right Eric? I don't know where to check that easily (I need a spreadsheet!) but my impression was that we were comfortably in the top half for most of the season and only slipped into the bottom half a month or so ago before the recent good run.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Is that right Eric? I don't know where to check that easily (I need a spreadsheet!) but my impression was that we were comfortably in the top half for most of the season and only slipped into the bottom half a month or so ago before the recent good run.

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Correct, and we have only conceded one goal in the last four games and won the last three, there is more than one way to skin a cat!

It doesn't matter how you score, just score and don't concede and you win!

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We are a decent top-half team, who were unlucky to lose two of our best players for most of the season, we are weak at left back and Strikers but have improved with just a few new players in a tough January window. We have a solid base for Bulut to build from next season.

A couple of posters predicting finishing 20th and below finishes are not going to be happy when we are solid in games picking up valuable points and moving up to tenth in the table :ayatollah:

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Don't want to come over all lugubrious (to use Rich Munn's word) again, but if we really are in the top ten on merit, then this season's Championship is nowhere near as good as many would have us believe - taken as a whole, I'd say our displays so far this season merit a position of around fourteenth to eighteenth.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Is that right Eric? I don't know where to check that easily (I need a spreadsheet!) but my impression was that we were comfortably in the top half for most of the season and only slipped into the bottom half a month or so ago before the recent good run.

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I'd been a little mistaken, probably due to the fact we've spend such a long time in the lower reaches of the form table.

We've spent 14 games in the bottom half, 22 in the top half. 10 of those weeks in the top half have been placed at 10-12. We've been in the playoffs twice. That's all according to Wikipedia.

We spent between games 7 and 24 in the top half, mainly due to our good start. Of course, we could have had a dreadful first few months, been invincible since new year, been in exactly the same position as we are in now and then have been a bottom half team.