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30-03-24, 23:25
Sparticus_Mills

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I've watched all of the Wales U21 games when they have been on Youtube for this qualifying, Colwill is the outstanding player of that group, if he'd played for another club I think we as Wales fans would be very excited about him.
31-03-24, 01:21
Der Kaiser

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

Long-Rant-a-thon-Warning-Alert, and maybe going slightly off topic:

Regarding the Manager:
Early in the season, I liked the way we had a good shape "without the ball", and we pressed the opposition.

I like to see teams putting pressure on the opposition, especially defenders, because it tests their technique and exposes any weakness in it. It annoys me when I see Championship defenders strolling around, looking like Franz Beckenbauer. NO THEY ARE NOT!

I have always been of the opinion that if a Manager has been given a contract till the end of the season, then that should happen. It is one thing for us fans to get carried away basing our opinion on how a professional in his field is performing based on the last couple of results. It is another thing for the "real people in charge", to logically evaluate the progress, and decide if the Manager is worth investing in. The overall picture should be looked at... is progressive improvement happening? Based on the whole season... has there been an improvement? Should the Manager be invested in, going forward?

The way I see it is... the current Manager is too intransigent and set in his ways.
For example, there was a massive feel good factor after the Ipswich game. This should have carried on into the away game at Swansea Town. A team, that seemed to me, lacking in confidence and there for the taking.... a missed opportunity there.

Then the latest "performance" against Sunderland on Friday. OK, the pelenty was wrong, but Sunderland, as we were lead to believe in the lead up to the game, were a team of youngsters that had lost 7 of their last 8 games. Only recently scrambling a draw against struggling QPR.
Two nil down at half time, at home, hardly having a chance of our own during that half. Well... I have never played Professional football, so I can only imagine what a Manager would be saying at half-after witnessing that. At the very least I would have expected us to get some sort of momentum going.

Well, for what it is worth, I'll tell you what I remember as the sum total of us "attempting to get some momentum going forward" in that second half... a flicked pass from Ramsey that saw the receiver of the pass being flagged offside. The Sunderland goalkeeper jumping up and catching the ball....
Oh, and I noticed Turbull, who was warming up near us at the time when Sunderland missed yet another opportunity to score, after carving us open again for seemingly the umpteenth time that could have/should have put us 4/5 down... I tell you now, he was shaking his head in disbelief, and I don't blame him one bit, cos I was doing the same thing at the time!

The players that were brought on to effect the game were "established" (I.E old) players, that had zero impact in the game. Karlon Grant started as a striker. At least I think he did, cos he was running around mostly on the wing like he usually does. When we brought on the former Bristol player (who is on a temp 6 month contract), who incidentally did a worse job than poor old Karlon had done. Well, poor old Karlan was shoved out on the right wing for a bit. Then, to confound the situation, poor old Karlon was shoved over on to the left wing when the equally ineffective former Reading player was brought on, presumuably as a a battering ram to run around (and Batter a Ram) on the right wing. At least I think that was the plan.
During that time, and bearing in mind we were two-nil down at home, our defenders who have obviously been told to keep possession at the back, were all the time being pressed by the opposition, testing our lack of technique when under pressure (see Franz above), with no midfielders getting the ball from them and moving forward. I am willing to bet Sunderland couldn't believe their luck in playing a team so timid (just like these other teams this season, such as Leeds, Leicester, PRESTON FFS... etc, blah, blah, etc).

I said in a previous thread, which debated if we should get rid of the Manager, my thought at the time was that we should keep the Manager until the end of the season. At that time, my argument was that we will see how he reacts when under the cosh. He came through that.

But now, I see missed opportunitiees when he is making substitutions, bringing on "established"/old/past it/on-loan strikers that never look like scoring. With nothing to play for... why not reward some of the young hungry, albeit raw, players that are doing well in under 21s, with 20 mins, or half hour or so?
Can they be any more ineffective that those people that are being brought on? Maybe they are, but why not give them a run in the first team?

Maybe, just like Sunderland, they are found wanting for 6 games on the trot, but after they start to grow into the demands of real football, they may eventually play a team similar to this current City side, where a manager stuck in his ways, persists in using past it and on loan players, who week after week confirm how ineffective they are, and that have nothing to play for until the end of the season.

Rubin:
Many Managers have come and gone in short periods of time. Each one, Bullut included, want to keep their job, so are not willing to take a risk on untried youngsters, they will instead persist in using players with hundreds of games under their belt. After all, they don't want to risk their job!

In my opinion, previous, short-term thinking self serving Mangers have stalled Rubin's development. Each one comes in and publicly says "Rubin has to do this, or Rubin has to do that to become a professional footballer". I have no doubt that Rubin then goes into each training session and "does this, or does that" to show the Manager, that alien as it is, he can adapt and is willing to learn off the latest coach that thinks he is Pep's understudy in waiting. Then the next Manager comes in and publicly says "Rubin has to do this, or Rubin has to do that to become a professional footballer". I have no doubt that Rubin then goes into each training session and "does this, or does that", as the Manager instructs. He then gets overlooked. Then the next Manager comes in and says... well you get my drift. How is any young player expected to progress under such circumstance.

So in summary, my thoughts are:
Thank you Erol, you have turned us from looking like relegation fodder into Meh. That is an improvement on recent seasons.
Is the football any better? No, it is still lacking in any entertainment, but we keep possesion really well at the back, until we fall behind, then we pass the ball well at the back for a bit, with no midfeilder such as Gunner, or Jordan Much, capable of taking the ball from a defender and turning and going forward. We have plenty of players who can get the ball from a defender and pass it backwards to another defender.

I can't honestly bear thinking about another season of this rubbish that is being served up as Championship standard.

Can someone or the OP summarise this please. I’m not reading any post that long.

I assume it’s moaning about something.
31-03-24, 01:26
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Can someone or the OP summarise this please. I’m not reading any post that long.

I assume it’s moaning about something.

It's a wankathon

Simply precis is he doesn't like bulut
31-03-24, 04:15
the other bob wilson

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Can someone or the OP summarise this please. I’m not reading any post that long.

I assume it’s moaning about something.

He’s put a summary at the end of the post.
31-03-24, 07:57
LA Bluebird

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I don't even think as one of his biggest supporters I'd build a team around him. He hasn't shown that kind of consistent play to this point and he's clearly a poor fit for how Bulut wants his team to play.

With that being said, I do think he gets unneccesary stick for being young, Welsh and an academy product and having a subset of supporters wanting him to do well for that reason. Other than the first few games of this season and the first half of the Warnock season, when did we have a team in the last 10 years in which any forward thinking midfielder had a chance to look good? Harry Wilson is pretty much a Premiership regular at this point in a very decent Fulham team and there was a large section of our fans who thought he was shite because he couldn't impact a game with the ball flying over his head for 70 minutes every Saturday. Turnbull who was a first team player for Celtic and Scotland at a relatively early age is well on his way to being another. When far more experienced and well regarded players can't do it, does Colwill deserve the criticism? I find it hard to understand to be honest.
31-03-24, 08:21
Tuerto

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So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.
31-03-24, 08:35
Undercoverinwurzelland

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.

You could swap "Rubin" with "Cardiff City" in that sentence.
31-03-24, 08:39
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.

Not so sure about different players, but yes, a new manager and different tactics would work wonders for him I reckon.

Some might see that as a thinly veiled criticism of our current set up but it isn't intended to be. It's nothing more than that old nugget where some players thrive at some clubs, under certain managers and with certain tactics, yet can look average (and worse) elsewhere. There aren't many players who are excellent at every club and under every manager they play under. Look at how many good players we've thought we've got over the years but have been shit for us, then done well elsewhere!!
31-03-24, 09:06
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Not so sure about different players, but yes, a new manager and different tactics would work wonders for him I reckon.

Some might see that as a thinly veiled criticism of our current set up but it isn't intended to be. It's nothing more than that old nugget where some players thrive at some clubs, under certain managers and with certain tactics, yet can look average (and worse) elsewhere. There aren't many players who are excellent at every club and under every manager they play under. Look at how many good players we've thought we've got over the years but have been shit for us, then done well elsewhere!!

Fair enough, it seems to be the general consensus on here amongst those who can see something special in Colwill.So, why not other players? Why aren't they being afforded this new formation tactical style in order for them to show us that they are better than they are? Etete, Wintle, Siopis, Bowler (Especially Bowler) Turnbull etc are routinely criticised and then some, They're not afforded the excuseof a new manager and tactics, coaching etc, But they're not Welsh and they didn't come through the system.

Ever heard the phrase' There's just something missing' Well that's how i feel about Colwill. There's just something not right about hi game and his physicality, and we could have another 20 managers and coaches and that wont change, He's the common denominator and we're now in the territory of excuses, which is something i really don't like.
31-03-24, 09:11
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Fair enough, it seems to be the general consensus on here amongst those who can see something special in Colwill.So, why not other players? Why aren't they being afforded this new formation tactical style in order for them to show us that they are better than they are? Etete, Wintle, Siopis, Bowler (Especially Bowler) Turnbull etc are routinely criticised and then some, They're not afforded the excuseof a new manager and tactics, coaching etc, But they're not Welsh and they didn't come through the system.

Ever heard the phrase' There's just something missing' Well that's how i feel about Colwill. There's just something not right about hi game and his physicality, and we could have another 20 managers and coaches and that wont change, He's the common denominator and we're now in the territory of excuses, which is something i really don't like.

I would suggest a good manager can make a team out of the players at his disposal and try and get the best out of them. For me Bulut has his tactic and shoehorns players into what he wants.
31-03-24, 09:29
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I would suggest a good manager can make a team out of the players at his disposal and try and get the best out of them. For me Bulut has his tactic and shoehorns players into what he wants.

Agree, but that will not stop good players showing us what they can do, even if it's sporadic. i've said enough on Bulut, His tactics are disgraceful, But it's not down to Bulut when a player decides to hold on to the ball that half a second to long which can be the difference in an attacking sense. It's not down to Bulut when players make the most basic of errors, and that happens regularly. The players have to take some responibility or improve. And all of this guff about coaching, well, a Touch can't be coached, awareness can't be coached, vision can't be coached, intelligence can't be coached, and those are the things we desperately need.

Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses. :thumbup:
31-03-24, 10:00
Pedro de la Rosa

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses. :thumbup:

I agree with this. I think some players and Bulut are getting away with murder, people blaming everyone else or budgets etc. Colwill needs to make himself undroppable, he’ll still get dropped by Bulut though so Wintle can play at 10 :hehe:. In seriousness, how anyone thinks he wants to play good football when we did that for months on end needs to give their head a wobble!
31-03-24, 10:12
LeningradCowboy

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Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills

I've watched all of the Wales U21 games when they have been on Youtube for this qualifying, Colwill is the outstanding player of that group, if he'd played for another club I think we as Wales fans would be very excited about him.

Not sure that I'd be too excited about a player who is almost 22 but still appearing for the U21s.
31-03-24, 10:28
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I agree with this. I think some players and Bulut are getting away with murder, people blaming everyone else or budgets etc. Colwill needs to make himself undroppable, he’ll still get dropped by Bulut though so Wintle can play at 10 :hehe:. In seriousness, how anyone thinks he wants to play good football when we did that for months on end needs to give their head a wobble!

He doesn't rate Colwill (Like you said) so i agree, Bulut can't wait to Hook him, which is unfair, although not uncommon in football. Players need to show more, even if the manager is shit, negative, and everything else in between. And when, as a fan base, did we become to passive? **** me, we just take it, make excuses for the wankers on the pitch and the coaching staff, owners etc. I wont watch that crap, because that's what it is. Lining up, playing in a way where not losing is the first port of call deserves calling out. I can understand being more cautious against much better sides (like it did us any good) but the other 20 sides in this division? i mean c,mon :thumbup:
31-03-24, 10:44
life on mars

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

Regarding of Manager next season

what do we do with Rubin Colwill ?

His best position ?
Do we build a team around him ?
Is he good enough for top level championship / prem football ?

Had more minutes this season than last and I,m still 50/50 his best position for starters .

What do you lot think ?

Stay with Mgr, but back him.

Use his contacts abroad he has a few Greeks and Turks especially disciplined types.

Less loans more contract signings.

Under 27 signings only

Sign players who are comfortable on the ball with , vision and play with thier heads up.

Send Rubin on loan to Germany.

( we only rate Rubin as he is Welsh, yes he is good , build a team around him?? is not a viable thought In my humble opinion )

Forget about Kieffer .

Cancel Rambos contract its sucking valuable wages away from the club with very little payback.
31-03-24, 10:55
MOZZER2

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Stay with Mgr, but back him.

Use his contacts abroad he has a few Greeks and Turks especially disciplined types.

Less loans more contract signings.

Under 27 signings only

Sign players who are comfortable on the ball with , vision and play with thier heads up.

Send Rubin on loan to Germany.

( we only rate Rubin as he is Welsh, yes he is good , build a team around him?? is not a viable thought In my humble opinion )

Forget about Kieffer .

Cancel Rambos contract its sucking valuable wages away from the club with very little payback.

I will add a part 3 to my sensible debate post as sludge as nicked part 2 - lol - which I am going to address the signing and type of players required and the dreadful situation Bulut faced during the January window

will do that after the Coventry game but you have hit the nail on the head regarding type of players required to take us up to the next level

But nice to see some well thought out and constructed replys in general regarding the Colwill situation
31-03-24, 11:07
Rock_Flock_of_Five

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Agree, but that will not stop good players showing us what they can do, even if it's sporadic. i've said enough on Bulut, His tactics are disgraceful, But it's not down to Bulut when a player decides to hold on to the ball that half a second to long which can be the difference in an attacking sense. It's not down to Bulut when players make the most basic of errors, and that happens regularly. The players have to take some responibility or improve. And all of this guff about coaching, well, a Touch can't be coached, awareness can't be coached, vision can't be coached, intelligence can't be coached, and those are the things we desperately need.

Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses. :thumbup:

Excellent post (particularly the part that I highlighted). :thumbup:
31-03-24, 11:35
PontBlue

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

Regarding of Manager next season

what do we do with Rubin Colwill ?

His best position ?
Do we build a team around him ?
Is he good enough for top level championship / prem football ?

Had more minutes this season than last and I,m still 50/50 his best position for starters .

What do you lot think ?

You've got to play him as a 10 but you've got to have mobile attack minded players around him who want to play forward.
31-03-24, 12:27
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Stay with Mgr, but back him...

He’s been backed. None of the three most expensive signings he’s made started on Saturday. Two of them didn’t end up playing a single minute despite the appalling performances of those who were on the field.

That speaks volumes.
31-03-24, 12:40
life on mars

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

He’s been backed. None of the three most expensive signings he’s made started on Saturday. Two of them didn’t end up playing a single minute despite the appalling performances of those who were on the field.

That speaks volumes.

What signings are you refering too??
31-03-24, 12:44
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What signings are you refering too??

Ramsey, Siopis and Turnbull, obviously. Who did you think I was referring to?
31-03-24, 16:10
llan bluebird

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I watched Fernandez yesterday and Odengard today for both wear 8 (maybe coincidence) but have such free roles. Both come deep to get the ball, travel forward, pass and keep moving towards the goal.

When I look at Rubins skillset, obviously nowhere near that level but a Poundland version of those two, but where would Bulut play them in Bulut ball?
31-03-24, 17:16
LA Bluebird

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To be fair, Arteta may have been on the blower to Erol for his tactics in the second half here
31-03-24, 19:52
life on mars

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Ramsey, Siopis and Turnbull, obviously. Who did you think I was referring to?

I was interested in what you deemed as backing ??

Ramsey busted flush waste of money probably not Managers choice .

Siopis dogged midfielder which we have plenty off ..

Turnbill?? Busted flush Celtic squad player .

Sorry if thats not backing , its lacking and cheap options.

Every manager since Harris has cried out for a real forward after Kieffer left , real backing is getting a forward in plus a creative midfielder and speedy winger, buying Kipree..

What you suggest are cheap fill in's ......
31-03-24, 19:54
life on mars

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

You've got to play him as a 10 but you've got to have mobile attack minded players around him who want to play forward.

He's not good enough , if he was that good Wales would play him at number 10 and we would be in the Euros due to his emphatic number 10 talent ??

You.have to wonder since coming onto the scene why he's not had a team built around him at number10 , there's been a few managers that had not applied that tactic, question is why ??
31-03-24, 21:37
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

To be fair, Arteta may have been on the blower to Erol for his tactics in the second half here

Don't think so. Arsenal created a couple of chances on the break from open play.
31-03-24, 21:48
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Don't think so. Arsenal created a couple of chances on the break from open play.

Bring back warnock
31-03-24, 23:22
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What you suggest are cheap fill in's ......

I haven’t suggested anything other than I believe Bulut has been backed. After all, he’s been allowed to bring in fourteen new players and I’m confident the club’s wage bill is bigger this season than it was last.

Of course, he’s not been allowed to throw multi-millions around in terms of transfer fees and wages, but that’s down to a combination of economic realities and the rules. He’s no different in that respect to most Championship managers, is he?
31-03-24, 23:55
Sparticus_Mills

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Would it be fair to say Wales U21 do build their team around him and with some success, I'd even go far to say he's is the outstanding player in the U21 team. I don't think our manager plays a system that suites our best players, as has been said previously, he tries to shoehorn players into his, and it hasn't worked.
01-04-24, 08:16
olderblue

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Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills

Would it be fair to say Wales U21 do build their team around him and with some success, I'd even go far to say he's is the outstanding player in the U21 team. I don't think our manager plays a system that suites our best players, as has been said previously, he tries to shoehorn players into his, and it hasn't worked.

You can build a team around a creative player, if you have the balls and imagination to play football in an exciting attacking system.

If you’re shit scared of losing then you set up so defensively that you don’t need creativity in your team, in fact a creative skilful footballer would look out of place as a square peg in a round hole.

If you’re dogmatic and carry on losing, you might just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Bulut isn’t a good, progressive coach, his football is dire, he won’t take risks and he’s bored the pants off most fans these days

He could have played with one holding midfielder on Friday and gone for it, he didn’t, he won’t and until he’s gone in the summer, any creativity will be parked, hopefully waiting for a decent coach to turn up.
01-04-24, 21:40
life on mars

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I haven’t suggested anything other than I believe Bulut has been backed. After all, he’s been allowed to bring in fourteen new players and I’m confident the club’s wage bill is bigger this season than it was last.

Of course, he’s not been allowed to throw multi-millions around in terms of transfer fees and wages, but that’s down to a combination of economic realities and the rules. He’s no different in that respect to most Championship managers, is he?

I would argue he has done well with what he's been given, the Rambo one us where it probably pushes the value up without any return. Bet he'd rather had 2 or 3 fit seasoned players in rather than one who had hardly played.

After the Norwich defeat we had a great run of results. We didn't turn up at the Jacks which for me was an appalling effort by the players.

We beat a decent side today .

For me he has something to offer as a manager a number of players have flourished most notably NG, Grant .Sipos, Ralls, Goutas ,Alnwick, Bowler. Collins .

I do wonder how we'd be if :

O'Dowda & Rambo had stayed fit .

Robinson delivered on his undoubted skills .

Bought back Hugill and Kipree

Tanner & Colwill (built) on thier promise .

And the club really backed him and got in a decent striker instead of washed up journeymen forwards .
01-04-24, 21:58
life on mars

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Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills

Would it be fair to say Wales U21 do build their team around him and with some success, I'd even go far to say he's is the outstanding player in the U21 team. I don't think our manager plays a system that suites our best players, as has been said previously, he tries to shoehorn players into his, and it hasn't worked.

Were 11th , if we had drawn at the Jacks and won at home to Sunderland, we would be 7th on 60 points, 4 points off 6th placed Norwich.

No Championship side is going to build a team around Colwill he is not at that stage, and may never be .

U21 International games are a world away from the rigours of the Championship , at times they appear to be non committal blown up training sessions when winning against the mighty Lithuanians , Gibraltar, Iceland U21's.

Over the last few years big boy U21's like Belgium , Holland & Switzerland stuck 15 goals on us .
11-04-24, 07:13
MOZZER2

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Rubin's stats last night

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet">��Rubin Colwill vs Birmingham City: 45 Minutes 1 Assist 26 Touches 17 Passes 3 Chances Created 1 Successful Dribble 2 Passes into the Final Third 1 Accurate Long Ball 2 Recoveries 2 Ground Duels Won 2 Was Fouled<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CardiffCity?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Car diffCity</a> <a href="https://t.co/uLOqTSBuLa">pic.twitter.com/uLOqTSBuLa</a>— ccfcinsider (@ccfcinsiderr) <a href="https://twitter.com/ccfcinsiderr/status/1778179366611980563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
11-04-24, 07:20
J R Hartley

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Were 11th , if we had drawn at the Jacks and won at home to Sunderland, we would be 7th on 60 points, 4 points off 6th placed Norwich.

No Championship side is going to build a team around Colwill he is not at that stage, and may never be .

U21 International games are a world away from the rigours of the Championship , at times they appear to be non committal blown up training sessions when winning against the mighty Lithuanians , Gibraltar, Iceland U21's.

Over the last few years big boy U21's like Belgium , Holland & Switzerland stuck 15 goals on us .

If youre auntie had bollocks she would be your uncle.
11-04-24, 08:07
North Cardiff Blue

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I haven’t suggested anything other than I believe Bulut has been backed. After all, he’s been allowed to bring in fourteen new players and I’m confident the club’s wage bill is bigger this season than it was last.

Of course, he’s not been allowed to throw multi-millions around in terms of transfer fees and wages, but that’s down to a combination of economic realities and the rules. He’s no different in that respect to most Championship managers, is he?

He had a limited choice of players, we were placed under an EFL transfer embargo, so only partly backed and the players he did want in January were out of reach.
11-04-24, 08:52
pipster

Re: Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

When Ive seen him play - he has had an affect , teams up nicely with Tanner, not sure if he is as sharp as he should be though. Which explains the 50/50 opinions on him - I would guess. Cant have everything, but I would start him every game next season - at least for the first 20 or so games
11-04-24, 08:56
not telling

Re: Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

Bulut has had one January window without an embargo and has had his best player out for most of the season. He has turned us from relegation fodder to mid-table. I don't think he's done too badly.

It's been frustrating, mid-table always is, and mostly it hasn't been easy on the eye.

If we keep Bulut, I don't expect us to be relegation fodder next season, and there is a chance we can improve as he puts more of his stamp on the team.

Hopefully he stays.
11-04-24, 10:47
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

He had a limited choice of players, we were placed under an EFL transfer embargo, so only partly backed and the players he did want in January were out of reach.

The thing is that Tan takes FFP very seriously (as he needs to), so spending millions on players is unlikely in the summer. Before the embargo we had to get rid of players before we could bring any in, mostly frees or low cost transfers and I see this summer being no different.

Anyone thinking that Bulut will have a war chest to spend this summer to bring in lots of good players is living in cloud cuckoo land. Our wage bill can't afford to rise much, either.
11-04-24, 10:57
North Cardiff Blue

Re: Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

The thing is that Tan takes FFP very seriously (as he needs to), so spending millions on players is unlikely in the summer. Before the embargo we had to get rid of players before we could bring any in, mostly frees or low cost transfers and I see this summer being no different.

Anyone thinking that Bulut will have a war chest to spend this summer to bring in lots of good players is living in cloud cuckoo land. Our wage bill can't afford to rise much, either.

Agreed but at least he will have the whole of the market option as we won't be under an embargo, the players he signed improved us dramatically, he can do the same again, build on that and take another step forward, we need to prioritise a left back and Striker and he will know that.
11-04-24, 11:02
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

the players he signed improved us dramatically.

Couldn't agree more. Diedhiou, Runarsson, Panzo, Ugbo and Meite were superb signings. Siopis is a 9/10 every game and Turnbull will light up the Championship next season.

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