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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
He’s not getting enough results to give him a pass on the dire football
He hasn’t improved any of the players, not really brought in anyone that I thought he has a really good eye for players.
I personally am eager to see him go but if he does stay, then I’ll carry on giving him a chance
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
has to stay 100% - progress has been made - I know not pretty at home
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
People point to the league table, but points are won and lost on fine margins, therefore I think the best way to judge it is on performances, which for the most part aren't great. We're set up negatively, but not hard to beat, we play an 8-2 formation which makes it hard to counter when we are so deep to start off. We are in that group that's not going to break the top 6 but probably won't go down either, the group where you can finish 9th one season and 16th the next as we all take points off eachother in that no mans land.
He's brought in 14? new players yet according to some can't play his style? If he gets money he's just going to sign the same type of player just a slightly better version, the tactics and set up won't change, baffles me how people think he will set up any different.
People are scared to sack him because they're unsure what the alternative is, id say knowing what were going to get if he stays is worse.
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Not sure how accurate that is but he's got the best win ratio in a long time.
Little blurry.
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackr...s/cardiff-city
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
For me it's more a case of who comes in. Why change unless you are going to spend big and almost guarantee success.
Last season before he joined we were linked with Campelos from Portugal and no one had heard of him or Bulut.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Eric the Half a Bee
General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
lol..i doubt you'll get many answers to this question. If you do they wont be very coherent.
There are a lot of simpletons on this forum and they don't need to watch the matches.
All they care about is saying that they are cardiff city "fans" and that the numbers look slightly better at the end of a season. Football is not really of interest.
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Harry Paget Flashman
It's correct. If you exclude a couple of caretaker roles by Jimmy Mullen, Bulut has the 5th highest win percentage in our history, just ahead of Dave Jones. He also has the 10th highest defeat percentage in our history, again, once caretaker roles are taken out, worse than Hudson, Morison, Osman, McCarthy amongst others.
Needless to say, he has the lowest draw percentage of any regular City manager!!
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
Some signs of a way of playing that, with a bit more time and a little strengthening in key positions can be built on for a promotion push.
Some plan to score goals other than from set pieces.
A plan B when plan A hasn't worked.
A team I actually want to go and watch.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Eric the Half a Bee
General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
Difficult question really, what we want and what we can get are very different. After the last two seasons and under an embargo I think staying up and pushing up the league was priority and I think he’s done very well, the league table doesn’t lie at this stage of the season.
What do I want, free flowing attacking football, goals, youth brought through but so does everyone no doubt.
I said he should do and we should built on this season though,I don’t think everything is as black and white as people want to make out.
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2b2bdoo
Difficult question really, what we want and what we can get are very different. After the last two seasons and under an embargo I think staying up and pushing up the league was priority and I think he’s done very well, the league table doesn’t lie at this stage of the season.
What do I want, free flowing attacking football, goals, youth brought through but so does everyone no doubt.
I said he should do and we should built on this season though,I don’t think everything is as black and white as people want to make out.
Good answer. I'm glad you've mentioned the bit that everything isn't as black and white as people make out. I feel some don't understand this.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
I have no hope in the club to recruit anybody better
Bulut: 'reluctant stay'
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
Curbishley moment, doing a solid job, and some fans just want Klopp/Pep football and think it's possible with these players and budget.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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BLUEAWAY TOO
Our biggest issue is the midfield.
He has given Ralls and Wintle new contracts.
He signed Turnbull and doesn’t see him as an automatic starter.
What do you think will be different in our midfield next season?
He tired to sign a decent midfielder from Greece/Turkey bt wasn't allowed, he was all he could get, the others are solid reliable squad players.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Someone on Twitter suggested Bulut has laid the foundations for next season. My response was that if those foundations are Wintle, Ralls and Turnbull, we've got problems. Phillips will go back to Liverpool and McGuinness isn't really quite up to Phillips' standard, decent though he is. Colwill apart, there's no-one up front really fit to wear the shirt when Grant returns to West Brom.
So what happens during the summer? I can't see Vinnie spending much because of FFP, so like lots of other Championship clubs we'll be looking in the bargain bin.
So what exactly are our foundations if it doesn't mean another season of the same football?
The loan market is the most important market for cash-strapped Championship clubs, Phillips, Kipre, Doyle, Philigene, Wilson, there are great players there we need to be all over the loan market early.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
Tan won't give any manager a decent budget
Next season the players we loaned out will come back, plus a few frees.
It will turn out to be an even worse season
Who will want to mansge that?
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Funnily enough, I've just said the same on Twitter. Looking ahead to next season, what improvements have we had over the last 4/5 months to make anyone think next season will be better? I know football is a results business but I feel we've been on a downward spiral after a good start to the season, one punctuated with the odd last minute win. If it hadn't been for our injury time heroics over the last few months, things would be very different. We cannot keep relying on pinching games. It will stop happening.
Yes if we'd won all the games that we didn't we could have been promoted by March.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Nobody's Rep
Me too and don't give a feck who the manager is at the moment as it's easy to blame them on the product and to an extent fair enough - but for me I'm more concerned that yet again an apparently successful business man has no plan for the club - it's pathetic yet still want us to handover our hard earned coin - how can he and his horsemen of the apocalypse be so impotent after so long in charge seemingly not having learnt one football lesson along the way - tossers
The problem is it's those tossers that will decide which Manager to take a punt on this time, more likely to be a Trollope than a Warnock.
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2b2bdoo
It’s funny, the Twitter polls I’ve seem to be massively in favour of him staying.
More reflective of the fan base, this board likes to change every six months and expects a Pep/Klopp wonder kid to be appointed and win the Premier League within two seasons playing a Dutch football masterclass, and can't believe it when it doesn't happen.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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J R Hartley
But we won’t be under an embargo in the summer, we can operate in a much bigger pool of players to choose from, a pool where we can buy another David Turnbull blah blah blah.
Wait till you get Trollope 2, you'll be moaning more next year than this year if he goes, mind you did like McCarthy didn't you.
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North Cardiff Blue
Wait till you get Trollope 2, you'll be moaning more next year than this year if he goes, mind you did like McCarthy didn't you.
Theres no need to be upset. :hehe:
7 replies on this thread in 15 minutes, are you ok? Do you need to talk to someone?
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Slade , Harris, mad mick , morison , Hudson, warnock , bulut
You seem to hate them all
I think maybe the problem is you rather than the managers ?
Suck on that
Lots of love
Your friendly neighbour
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He like Mad Mick.
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North Cardiff Blue
He like Mad Mick.
8 :hehe:
And no I did not like Mad Mick. It was Harris I stuck up for out of that list.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Think you’re being a bit harsh there. The players don’t have the right mentality. OK, he signed 7 of the starters, and the other 4 he’s given contract renewals too. Ignore the subs, too, as he signed 2 of them and has given renewals to the other 3 but it definitely isn’t his fault.
From a limited pool.
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North Cardiff Blue
The loan market is the most important market for cash-strapped Championship clubs, Phillips, Kipre, Doyle, Philigene, Wilson, there are great players there we need to be all over the loan market early.
Ah so the loan market is most important now. :hehe:
Somewhat contradicts all the fuss you made about being under an embargo last summer dont you think? :hehe:
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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MacAdder
June 2023
Tan, Dalman:
Welcome aboard Erol, we don't care how you do it but you have been hired to keep us in the Championship until the club stabilises and the transfer embargo put upon us is lifted.
Bulut:
Ok boss I'll do my best.
April 2024
Bulut:
Job done boss! How about a new contract and a war chest?
Tan/Dalman:
Plenty still going on behind the scenes but sit tight for now, we'll let you know very soon mate...
to be continued....
Me:
Who the feck else will make a difference with the stance from on high?
Give him a season and a pocket full of cash.
He can get his teams playing some decent stuff as we've seen glimpses.
:thumbup:
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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North Cardiff Blue
From a limited pool.
Wipe your chin mate, its way too early on a Monday morning to be crying these salty tears.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Eric the Half a Bee
My issue is that we end up doing the same next season - mind numbing football, can't open most defences in open play, but pinch enough wins to keep us mid-table.
I don't see how that is any sort of progression, unless we're giving up on that and just hope for survival again.
There surely has to be a target of aiming for Premier League promotion in 3-4 seasons, playing a type of football that would suit the Premier League, with a younger squad that builds together. Instead, we have no plan, we lurch from season to season hoping for the best with absolutely no structure.
He'll improve it for sure, you remember January when he tried to sign a top Striker and an attacking midfielder but we couldn't compete as it was an over expensive January window.
A team builds in stages, the first stage is complete we are safe and very solid, the next stage build a more attacking team.
A one-year deal to see what he can do, otherwise a Trollope/Hudson novice will take us back into the bottom four.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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2b2bdoo
I’m not sure why the 1 year contract has caused such panic amoungst our fans, I keep reading about stability. But who in the championship has stability, a lot of clubs seem to have new managers this year, I think other than Coventry and Ipswich every other team had had a manager less than 2 years. I can’t find the article now but it felt like most were under a year.
I don’t think stability needs to be an excuse.
Thats true, a two or three year contract is for the Managers benefit as most get paid off when they are sacked.
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Blooburd
lol..i doubt you'll get many answers to this question. If you do they wont be very coherent.
There are a lot of simpletons on this forum and they don't need to watch the matches.
All they care about is saying that they are cardiff city "fans" and that the numbers look slightly better at the end of a season. Football is not really of interest.
One of the hopes is that with the ability to pay a fee, he can get some solid Greek/Turk/German Players as he has experience overseas and knows the players and will now know the Championship a lot more than last season and what's needed.
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J R Hartley
Wipe your chin mate, its way too early on a Monday morning to be crying these salty tears.
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
8 :hehe:
And no I did not like Mad Mick. It was Harris I stuck up for out of that list.
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...light=McCarthy
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...light=McCarthy
You didn't like him!
You loved him, he stained you frilly's :hehe:
Who do you want next Avram :hehe:
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J R Hartley
Wipe your chin mate, its way too early on a Monday morning to be crying these salty tears.
Four from you :hehe:
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North Cardiff Blue
He wasnt even our manager when I posted one of those threads you daft kent. :hehe:
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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J R Hartley
Ah so the loan market is most important now. :hehe:
Somewhat contradicts all the fuss you made about being under an embargo last summer dont you think? :hehe:
That's all we had, it is important, but so is signing players for fees.
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
He'll improve it for sure, you remember January when he tried to sign a top Striker and an attacking midfielder but we couldn't compete as it was an over expensive January window.
A team builds in stages, the first stage is complete we are safe and very solid, the next stage build a more attacking team.
A one-year deal to see what he can do, otherwise a Trollope/Hudson novice will take us back into the bottom four.
But would the top striker be isolated on his own up front and the attacking midfielder be expected to work harder in defence? It's impossible for me to imagine Bulut setting up any differently, even with some new signings.
I take your point about the possibility of them appointing a Trollope/Hudson if they did replace him though.
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North Cardiff Blue
Four from you :hehe:
18 from you :hehe:
Deluded NCB
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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J R Hartley
18 from you :hehe:
Deluded NCB
If you keep replying I have to point out how daft you are, I should be charging you for the free education.
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J R Hartley
18 from you :hehe:
Deluded NCB
20 now
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Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.
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North Cardiff Blue
If you keep replying I have to point out how daft you are, I should be charging you for the free education.
Nice try :hehe:
Go and have a cup of tea and a biscuit or something. Its not healthy getting this hysterical and emotional so early in the morning, especially the start of the working week.
