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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yes, Tan was apparently almost a sleeping partner during his initial involvement. Gethin Jenkins was the CEO, TG was the chairman and the club had directors such as Alan Whiteley and Steve Borley who were actively involved in the decision-making.

I believe Tan only began getting seriously involved after that season had got underway, and one of his first major decisions was to relieve Jenkins (the man who had been credited with overseeing Mackay’s appointment) of his duties.

I was at the CCS for a travel meeting when the news about Jenkins emerged. He came into the meeting, thanked us for our support and told us Tan was offloading him as he believed he was ‘unlucky’ (I’m quoting Jenkins there).

That, for me, was the first sign that Tan might be a problem, but the rest of the season went well enough and we heard little about Vinnie until the rebrand leak.

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It's Tan's business model to put in a trusted figure from within his organisation/network, unfortunately he put someone in that was way out of their depth and got the "run around" from senior staff on the football side of the operation.

I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, we need an owner who takes a back seat and appoints an experienced (in football) CEO to run the club. Take a look at how Ipswich have progressed under Mark Ashton for example.
Instead we have Dalman and Choo part time with Tan sticking his oar in, none of whom have any background in football.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, we need an owner who takes a back seat and appoints an experienced (in football) CEO to run the club. Take a look at how Ipswich have progressed under Mark Ashton for example.
Instead we have Dalman and Choo part time with Tan sticking his oar in, none of whom have any background in football.

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I think you will find that the people you suggest have no background in football have the following experience in football:
Ken Choo, 10 years
Mehmet Dalman, 12 years
Vincent Tan, 15 years

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

It's Tan's business model to put in a trusted figure from within his organisation/network, unfortunately he put someone in that was way out of their depth and got the "run around" from senior staff on the football side of the operation.

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Tan replaced Gethin Jenkins with Alan Whiteley initially, but once Whiteley had completed the onerous task of introducing Tan’s vanity project he was binned too. I may be getting the timelines mixed up, but wasn’t Simon Lim the next in line?

Tan also ditched TG around the same time. I’d love to know the background to that story, but it never really emerged.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

I think you will find that the people you suggest have no background in football have the following experience in football:
Ken Choo, 10 years
Mehmet Dalman, 12 years
Vincent Tan, 15 years

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-common sense enters the chat- uh oh this wont go down well

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Tan replaced Gethin Jenkins with Alan Whiteley initially, but once Whiteley had completed the onerous task of introducing Tan’s vanity project he was binned too. I may be getting the timelines mixed up, but wasn’t Simon Lim the next in line?

Tan also ditched TG around the same time. I’d love to know the background to that story, but it never really emerged.

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Yes, Simon Lim was the appointment from within Berjaya Corp (I think it was the hotels division). FWIW when TG's name first appeared I asked my Malaysian contact if they knew anything about him, the initial response being "never heard of him, I will find out". Next day I was told TG was a "front man for Vincent Tan" and given a run down on VT.
TG moving on appears consistent with his role as a "front man" while VT assessed the investment and it not being planned as a long term involvement.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

I think you will find that the people you suggest have no background in football have the following experience in football:
Ken Choo, 10 years
Mehmet Dalman, 12 years
Vincent Tan, 15 years

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My point was that they had no experience before they joined us. They could have learned on the job, but what we've had is 10, 12 and 15 years of making the same mistakes over and over again. I was also making the point that they're all part time.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

Yes, Simon Lim was the appointment from within Berjaya Corp (I think it was the hotels division). FWIW when TG's name first appeared I asked my Malaysian contact if they knew anything about him, the initial response being "never heard of him, I will find out". Next day I was told TG was a "front man for Vincent Tan" and given a run down on VT.
TG moving on appears consistent with his role as a "front man" while VT assessed the investment and it not being planned as a long term involvement.

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But wasn’t it TG who brought Tan to CCFC as opposed to the other way around? I’m fairly sure TG had his own shares in the the club before they were diluted by Tan’s full takeover.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

My point was that they had no experience before they joined us. They could have learned on the job, but what we've had is 10, 12 and 15 years of making the same mistakes over and over again. I was also making the point that they're all part time.

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That was my point as well - length of service doesn't equate to competence and it is clear they don't learn their lessons and don't have a plan - Dalman said as much when bulut was appointed and that this was due to change - I've seen no change at all over the last 10 months - drawn out decision making in the manager appointment, suffering an embargo for a fee we should have paid up front and paid eventually anyway and then the FFP fiasco of the transfer window in January

Changing or keeping the manager won't be the solution as we are treating a symptom and not a cause

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

But wasn’t it TG who brought Tan to CCFC as opposed to the other way around? I’m fairly sure TG had his own shares in the the club before they were diluted by Tan’s full takeover.

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As stated I was told TG was acting as a "front man" for VT. I have no information on how the arrangement came about or (perhaps more importantly) even if Cardiff City were the first club that VT was looking at investing in. It is no doubt possible that TG was working with a broader "football investment" brief on VT's behalf before taking an interest in (and introducing VT to) Cardiff City.

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

That was my point as well - length of service doesn't equate to competence and it is clear they don't learn their lessons and don't have a plan - Dalman said as much when bulut was appointed and that this was due to change - I've seen no change at all over the last 10 months - drawn out decision making in the manager appointment, suffering an embargo for a fee we should have paid up front and paid eventually anyway and then the FFP fiasco of the transfer window in January

Changing or keeping the manager won't be the solution as we are treating a symptom and not a cause

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