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[QUOTE=Gofer Blue;5513472]* The film? Well not really, the rising fear and the promptings within (Eph.6) wouldn't really allow that, but this conversation isn't happening in a vacuum, so I thought it was justified. I guess in reality he's always going to be part of the drive-thru audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
You keep repeating this. Ironically it is not the solution for you, me or anyone, yet it is still your biggest enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513487]I have never met Jesus in person but will one day of course! Enjoy the film. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
[QUOTE=Gofer Blue;5513560]Indeed, and everyone else gets to meet him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Even the Father judges no one, for He has given all judgment (the last judgment and the whole business of judging) entirely into the hands of the Son (John 5:22).
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513571]It's all delusional bollox (Sludge 1:69)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
[QUOTE=jon1959;5513604]An interesting paraphrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Human reasoning never really changes.......written just over 3000 years ago:-
From Psalm 14:-
1 Only fools say in their hearts,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, and their actions are evil;
not one of them does good!
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on the entire human race;
he looks to see if anyone is truly wise,
if anyone seeks God.
3 But no, all have turned away;
all have become corrupt.
No one does good,
not a single one!
4 Will those who do evil never learn?
They eat up my people like bread
and wouldn’t think of praying to the Lord.
5 Terror will grip them,
for God is with those who obey him.
6 The wicked frustrate the plans of the oppressed,
but the Lord will protect his people.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513571]Off we go again quoting the BibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
It's irrelevant
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513571]More quotes no factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513606]You hope !Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Facts please
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513571]Why havnt any of your mates or relatives who are dead but in heaven contacted you or got God to contact you to confirm all this ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
It would save a lot of messing about
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513606]Words of a crazy person.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513676]Sounds like a Trump speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513672]Facts eh!Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
You were given an archaeological fact re King David, and what did you do? Completely ignore it.
You've been given two short (15m) documentaries and a movie with more than enough facts from history & science to provide the answers you say you are seeking, and what do you do?
Run for the hills!
You have the worst case of denial I've witnessed in quite a while.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513681]This is nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If the rubbish you have attempted to suggest is evidence it would be taught in schools
Show me photos of God, the voice of God, miracles actually filmed as they happen
Actual physical evidence that stands up not he said she said
Now , here , in the present
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513695]Sludge all he will do is a quote from the book of wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
A crock of crap.
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513707]Man United won the fa Cup todayQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They beat Man City
100000 people saw it and millions worldwide
Loads of witnesses to a factual event
That's the sort of thing I am after
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513717]In fact you are after affirmation of your current position. Newsflash! You will never get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Here is a drive-thru sized clip > 4 Proofs < to give you an idea of the details you have to extinguish to arrive at your chosen position.
As Gofer alluded, the facts could slap you across the face like a wet fish, and you still wouldn't sniff anything :tumbleweed:
have the Christians shot you yet? do you tell your muslim chums their religion is gobshyte ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
It's all nonsense
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513723]Facts and evidence pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513732]Your own line arrives after 40 seconds.....blindfold productionsQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513723]There was no postmortemQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
eyewitness accounts can not be trusted
people tell lies
So no proof.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513733]This is a filmQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Evidence please
No books , quotes , rumours , stories handed down
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513741]He's babbling on about evidence......just stories ...2000 years oldQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
It's 2024
If God exists , if he's omnipresent and all powerful then it's going to be easy for him to prove that to us all
And not rely on his Christian army to prove it to us .... many of whom find God when they are desperate and vulnerable
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513750]1. Even though your comment was the reason for this thread, it currently seems pointless providing you with any further responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
2. At 8am this morning you had posted the latest comment on no less than 19 conversations on the first three pages on this board; for the sake of participants on the other 18 then I hope you are actually engaged in some capacity in those, because on this one you are all mouth and no trousers, paying no attention to anything that doesn't agree with your artificial world view.
3. When you are serious, sober and no longer deliberately 'deaf' in this type of dialogue, then start a new thread and I will address you in it, but if you haven't upgraded to two way dialogue by that time then don't waste your time and mine.
4. This thread will go on for those who have respected the need for two-way communication and others who may be just munching popcorn.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513760]Artifical world viewQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
😂
Says the man who thinks God is everywhere , all the time , can do anything and whose son still lives 2000 years after died
I will stay in my world thanks and leave you to it
When you find the evidence to prove God exists then let me know
Attachment 6168
Science slowly catches up; unfortunately still can't:-
1. Explain for certain how life began.
2. Explain for certain how the Universe came to be.
3. Explain WHY we are here.
The image is too blurred to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Attachment 6169
The same version of an easier to read table than above.
Comparing Science & the Bible NOW & 2000+ years ago.
*Tip, if you dig into the verses, use a reference like Blue Letter Bible to see the full meaning of the original Hebrew/ Greek words.
Still not convinced sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Atleast i did read it.
Wish I hadn't bothered, but I looked at the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Isaiah 40:22 talks about a circle not a sphere.
God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.
Like Discworld!
Claiming the bible agrees with Terry Pratchett (not scientists) is taking you further into the pit of magical gibberish than before!
The sphere has four corners according to Revelation!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
I'm also interested to know when science thought the world was travelling on a big animal...
No what you have done , again , is swerveQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
I don't want to discuss with you the ultimate creation until you have dealt with the evidence I have asked for
Why , how etc......
You don't prove the existence of God by failing to provide , when asked , evidence of his existence and deflecting to who was the ultimate creator
Leave that
Give me evidence of the existence of God, here , now
If I have more nonsense that's it from me
Some interesting points from yourself and Jon, language and perception changes re the human authors, even over a few decades, words like 'wicked', 'gay', 'safe' etc can mean something very different to what they did when I was born.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
But with Isaiah, we are looking at around 280 decades ago!
This article addresses a few points on this:-
The reference to the “circle of the earth” in Isaiah 40:22 is the source of much speculation. Some see this phrase as evidence that God revealed to ancient Israel something of the physical layout of the universe long before anyone had discovered that the earth was round. Later, as scientific discoveries were made, the Bible was shown to be incredibly correct, recording truth that only God could have known. According to this view, the Scripture is demonstrated to have a divine origin by revealing “scientific secrets” before they were commonly known.
The Bible speaks of the rising and setting of the sun (as do we), but it is simply the language of appearance and not intended to communicate scientific accuracy (see Psalm 113:3.) The Bible also speaks of the “four corners of the earth,” yet no one thinks that the Bible is teaching that the earth is square (see Isaiah 11:12). Proverbs 30:4 speaks of the “ends of the earth,” an expression we still use today to refer to the remotest extremes. The problem with the “scientific secrets” approach is that it reads scientific precision into certain passages that seem to fit our modern scientific concepts while ascribing phenomenological language (language of appearance) or metaphor to those passages that do not. To be consistent, it would seem that all such passages should either be interpreted literally or metaphorically. If they are all interpreted literally, then there would be far more scientific inaccuracies than accuracies or “scientific secrets.” If they are all interpreted metaphorically or phenomenologically, then each of the passages would still make sense in its original context. Isaiah 40:22, with its reference to the “circle of the earth,” is just one example.
The first point to understand regarding the “circle” is that the word (Hebrew root chug) does not mean “sphere” but rather refers to a circle or sometimes a dome. A circle is flat like a disc or a dinner plate. Those who hold to the “scientific secrets” approach often think “sphere” when they hear “circle.” In the Old Testament, the word is used once as a verb in Job 26:10: “He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness” (ESV). If one looks at the earth from space, there is indeed a circular boundary between light and darkness. However, the NIV captures more of the original intent and avoids the use of the word circle altogether: “He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.” If one is looking out at the sea, the horizon does appear to be circular.
The same Hebrew word is used three times in the Bible as a noun. In Job 22:14, God is described as walking in the “circuit of heaven” (KJV). Most modern translations translate it as “the vault of heaven.” If taken literally, this verse would be scientifically inaccurate because there is no vault over the earth. The universe goes out billions of miles in all directions, but, in staring up at the sky on a starry night, we do see the sky as a circular dome overhead with definite boundaries. In Proverbs 8:27, “Wisdom” says, “When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep” (ESV). The NIV translation communicates the meaning of “drawing a circle on the face of the deep”: “I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep.” There is no “circle” drawn on the sea, but there is a horizon that has a circular appearance as one looks out on the sea.
Isaiah 40:22 says, “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” Even if “circle of the earth” is taken literally in this verse, it does not say that the earth is a sphere. Actually, it does not even say that the earth is a circle. The “circle of the earth” seems to refer to the heavens that appear to be a circular dome overhead. The parallelism of Hebrew poetry would indicate that the “circle of the earth” is the same as the “canopy” being stretched out. The heavens are pictured as a tent for the multitudes of earth to live in.
In Isaiah 44:13 a variant of the word is translated in the ESV as “compass”: “The [human] carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” Here, the compass is an instrument used for drawing a circle, and such instruments are still in use today.
The word circle was an apt way to describe the horizon and the heavens overhead. The horizon goes out in all directions, and the sky overhead seems to meet it, forming a circular dome. This is purely the language of appearance.
So if we are also to believe that science was saying this in the same era (it wasn't), then wouldn't your same rule of language also apply?
While we are (for those that accept the Bible is inspired by a Being that knows all things and also the entire past & future) listening to the words of God, they are being conveyed through the eyes and thoughts and language of people between 1500BC and 100AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
So while you or I if we saw a meteorite would use the word meteorite, unfortunately that word (for example) wasn't available to John who wrote the book of Revelation; so when John is given a vision (to write down) about a scene that relates to his and our future, he says he saw a burning mountain fall into the sea! We in turn have to try and see it through his eyes/ mind to know what he means.
Even more peculiarly, the Bible mentions the phrase, ends of the earth 81 times. Key users of the phrase included David, Jeremiah and Isiah who used it 12 times against a mention of a circle once.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
There was also this bloke called Jesus who used it 3 times. You would have thought his proximity to his Dad would have given greater insight but there you go!
https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/bibl...the-earth.html
I'm sure you can source better quality anti-biblical material as this is a phrase still being used in the 21st Century:-Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Before the hurricane, La Ceiba’s city limits represented the ends of the earth to Keldy.
—Jonathan Blitzer, The New Yorker, 28 Jan. 2024
Parents of Harry Potter-loving, fairy-believing children have gone to the ends of the earth to keep this magic alive for as long as possible — but my mom was never one of them.
—Cathy Ching, BostonGlobe.com, 21 Apr. 2023
The irony of the phrase entering into common venacular because it was used so frequently in the Bible obviously passed you by.......but circle eh!Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
That list would be a long one, and today (in the UK at least) most people are unaware that phrases and words such as Armageddon, Job's Comforter, Baptism of fire, by the skin of your teeth, The writing is on the wall, Give up the ghost and scores of others are originally from the Bible. The above article explains why circle of the earth is employed in Isaiah 40 very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
It's a great pity that people end up using the language of God's Word, but are very careful to reject the Author and His key message of Salvation.